Judy2

Which meditation technique would you recommend to a total beginner?

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44 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

I just thought about staring yourself in the mirror, like really close up into one of your eyes, could be interesting, because you get a super detailed feedback of how still you are and what microcorrections you need to make, you amplify the state you are trying to create by presenting it directly in front of you, and by making your own eye an object, you deconstruct the sense of being centered in that very thing you are looking at.

i've done that a few times, also on lsd. this has triggered multiple nondual experiences, causing the subject-object division to collapse in my direct experience, so i would say this can be quite potent as a method.

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Do nothing technique is for beginners and also experts. Neti neti before bedtime.

 

 

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And what do you hope to achieve through meditation? 


Imagine for a moment, dear friends, that you are Conciousness, and that you have only this one awareness - that you are at peace, and that you are. 

 

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@Salvijus asking the difficult questions:) a bit more awareness and clarity, grounding myself in direct consciousness. 

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Internal smile

The simplest is you close your eyes and make yourself feel good by smiling internally

You don’t even have to close your eyes, just smile internally and you’ll feel it

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How is this post just me acting out my ego in the usual ways? Is this post just me venting and justifying my selfishness? Are the things you are posting in alignment with principles of higher consciousness and higher stages of ego development? Are you acting in a mature or immature way? Are you being selfish or selfless in your communication? Are you acting like a monkey or like a God-like being?

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47 minutes ago, Judy2 said:

@Salvijus asking the difficult questions:) a bit more awareness and clarity, grounding myself in direct consciousness. 

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Imagine for a moment, dear friends, that you are Conciousness, and that you have only this one awareness - that you are at peace, and that you are. 

 

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Just sit & relax

Like after you just milked the cows, tended to the livestock, brought wood up the mountain for tonight's fire... whatever

 

What do you do? All tired and shit... YOU SIT ON THE COUCH!

(Plump!) "Goddamn, that feels NICCEEE!"

No method or reason is involved here. You sit and then you relax. Doing the same thing intentionally can be called meditation, minus the TV, popcorn, beer, youtube video, etc.

 

The goal of meditation is not to try to achieve a certain state. You are not aiming for a cessation of anything. Try as you might, you will castrate yourself further.

So, just sit. Do not follow a method. Thoughts will arise, and you will let go. Detached. Calm, present, awareness.

I say this: unless you have a specific goal such as having set out to complete a retreat, if your meditation session becomes uncomfortable, unbearable, or otherwise a burden, stop it, change your position, of fuck off and do something else

 

Meditation is the antithesis of Masochism

 

It is just selfless enjoyment — ahhh, doesn't it feel nice to be Alive...!

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Now it's getting confusing because there are so many suggestions and i don't know which method to use. The ones i try, i should probably try more than once to really give them a chance.

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25 minutes ago, Judy2 said:

Now it's getting confusing because there are so many suggestions and i don't know which method to use. The ones i try, i should probably try more than once to really give them a chance.

This ^ are the thoughts which I referred to . Don't fixate on the thoughts .fixate on the space between them .it's like a musical rhythm. It goes up and down like a zigzag. Focus on the low pitch tone (silence) not On the high pitch tone (thoughts ).

 


 "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly."

-Leo Gura. 

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This ^ are the thoughts which I referred to . Don't fixate on the thoughts .fixate on the space between them .it's like a musical rhythm. It goes up and down like a zigzag. Focus on the low pitch tone (silence) not On the high pitch tone (thoughts ).

alright:)

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4 hours ago, Judy2 said:

This is actually something that doesn't make sense to me yet, at least from my current point of view. It seems contradictory that meditation is about allowing intuition and feeling to unfold, while i am also supposed to discipline myself at the same time and resist certain impulses (like getting up and doing something because an emotion tells me to do that).

How do i reconcile discipline and intuition in my meditative practice? When i'm too "intuitive", the meditative practice usually fails by day 2 lol.

You have to find the right balance. There is always some discipline or structure involved, or else it's not a "practice". You're taking time out of your day to focus on something for some time. How structured or how disciplined you want to get is something you have to try out for yourself.

I just think setting a timer for your meditations is very helpful as it frees up unnecessary potential fears and thoughts, it allows for consistency and a structured way to up your progress, and it just simplifies everything. When you decide "I'm going to sit here for 15 minutes no matter what happens, and I'm fine with that", then there is no "have I meditated long enough?", "how long have I actually meditated for?", "when will I enter the zone?", "ah, I have to become just a little more conscious before I end the meditation", etc. Structure focuses you and reduces uncertainty.

But yes, meditation is very intuitive, and you have to find a lot of it out on your own. Choose some structure to follow, but let your intuition work within that. And if you feel some intuitive push to go outside the structure, test it out and see if it works. You can always return to the structure if it doesn't work. The way I discovered all of those things I listed was mostly through intuition, and because I'm a semi-ADHD kind of guy, I ended up practicing all of them at once.

(Sometimes I prefer just zeroing in on one method, e.g. focusing on the breath, but doing many methods in parallel can be beneficial as it fills up your mind with a lot of things it has to keep track of and it makes your mind less likely to wander off somewhere else. Sometimes there is no method, just sitting. And what works the best can change over time).

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@Carl-Richard if i set a timer and i manage to stay seated during that time, does that alone qualify the session as successfully completed, no matter what happens in my mind and body in that time frame? or are there other criteria i have to meet in order to know that i successfully completed my meditation? essentially, how do i know that i am doing things right and not just wasting my time meditating inefficiently?

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10 minutes ago, Judy2 said:

@Carl-Richard if i set a timer and i manage to stay seated during that time, does that alone qualify the session as successfully completed, no matter what happens in my mind and body in that time frame? or are there other criteria i have to meet in order to know that i successfully completed my meditation? essentially, how do i know that i am doing things right and not just wasting my time meditating inefficiently?

If you are able to incrementally increase your sessions all the way up to 60-90 minutes without being in severe mental anguish during the practice, that alone means you're doing something right. But yes, as long as you try to do the practice, simply sitting there for the time you chose is the only criteria. Setting a timer removes the expectation to "perform" or to expect a certain outcome. You just sit there and do the thing and when you're done you're done. If you become better over time, sitting there will become more fun, and if you get just a little better, that means you can get a lot better if you keep going. Delete from your mind the notion that "you can be sitting in meditation but you're not really meditating". This is the pinnacle of mental self-sabotage.

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@Judy2

Having a strong and motivating desire for meditation is required. What your motivation is, is different for everyone, but ask yourself why are you meditating? Don't rationalize to yourself that "there is no ego",  "there is no outcome" and such things that our minds fabricate of what enlightenment is, what meditation is and what it's for. 

Set the intention to meditate first, then ask yourself why in the biggest picture am I meditating? Feel yourself. Bring your attention solely in the present moment. When that timer kicks in, you feel all your body sensations and mental ongoings as it's happening, allow everything to remain as it is without trying to control wether your mediating right or if it's just a big waste of time. Your doing really good, don't give up, you'll find the answers you need within reflected outwards.

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God-Realize, this is First Business. Know that unless I live properly, this is not possible.

There is this body, I should know the requirements of my body. This is first duty.  We have obligations towards others, loved ones, family, society, etc. Without material wealth we cannot do these things, for that a professional duty.

There is Mind; mind is tricky. Its higher nature should be nurtured, then Mind becomes Wise, Virtuous and AWAKE. When all Duties are continuously fulfilled, then life becomes steady. In this steady life GOD is available; via 5-MeO-DMT, because The Sun shines through All: Living in Self-Love, Realizing I am Infinity & I am God

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19 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

I just thought about staring yourself in the mirror, like really close up into one of your eyes, could be interesting, because you get a super detailed feedback of how still you are and what microcorrections you need to make, you amplify the state you are trying to create by presenting it directly in front of you, and by making your own eye an object, you deconstruct the sense of being centered in that very thing you are looking at.

That could work, too. Reminds me of one time when on truffles. I looked at my hand and was astounded by what it was, and by the fact that it was there, somehow considered mine. :D

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print that and stare at the dot in the middle from an arms length away, at sunset or sunrise.

Sri_Yantra_Correct_Colors_Johari_1974.jpg

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1 hour ago, Hojo said:

print that and stare at the dot in the middle from an arms length away, at sunset or sunrise.

Sri_Yantra_Correct_Colors_Johari_1974.jpg

 

You want to see what I made my study participants stare into while measuring their brains? xD (PS: if you are on mobile, the dot is very small):

fNIRS_Red-dot-gray-screen_6x6px_MUSMIND_01.png

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You can try anapana which is just focusing on your breath moving in and out of your nostrils


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I think this thread will make it worse for you @Judy2. Just pick one and do with the intention to see what meditation has for you, accepting the process and desire for truth.

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