Leo, do you think psychedelics should be legal/decriminalsied?

[Yimpa]

  On 4/12/2025 at 10:09 PM, eggopm3 said:

I like the idea of a licensing system.

Every single provider needs to also take the psychedelic in question, multiple times.

[Basman]

  On 4/12/2025 at 10:10 PM, Yimpa said:

Every single provider needs to also take the psychedelic in question, multiple times.

Do pharmacists need to take the medicine they sell in order to sufficiently inform their clients?

[Yimpa]

  On 4/12/2025 at 11:57 PM, Basman said:

Do pharmacists need to take the medicine they sell in order to sufficiently inform their clients?

That’s what I found fascinating about the ketamine clinic I went to. Many who work there have had experience with it. 

Then they started branching out and becoming more mainstream and hiring newbies with no psychedelic experiences, and, well, I feel that that’s good for profits but the integrity starts to water down. 

[Leo Gura]

@Scholar I don't like you attitude. You always find some jerk thing to say to me.

[Elliott]

Heavy drug users flocked to and concentrated in those cities, it didn't create new users, it concentrated them from the entire country into a small area. Really, if there was a federal program to help them, the experiment would have been a godsend. But heroine and hard drugs should not be legalized.

Edited April 13 by Elliott

[Thought Art]

@Scholar Do you drink and smoke weed?

[Thought Art]

I’m starting to think that drug addicts problem is deeper than drugs. 

[EdgeGod900]

  On 4/13/2025 at 1:40 AM, Leo Gura said:

@Scholar I don't like you attitude. You always find some jerk thing to say to me.

I think he's negging. I only do this shit to girls, but if he likes men, thats no problemo.

Edited April 13 by EdgeGod900

[Basman]

  On 4/13/2025 at 0:40 AM, Yimpa said:

That’s what I found fascinating about the ketamine clinic I went to. Many who work there have had experience with it. 

Then they started branching out and becoming more mainstream and hiring newbies with no psychedelic experiences, and, well, I feel that that’s good for profits but the integrity starts to water down. 

Sure you don't mean customer experience? Integrity would relate more to health procedures and not trying rip off customers.

[Starlight321]

@Leo Gura I think one of the differences between Portugual and Portland is that Portugual is a very small country with a its own language and therefore it is not as easy for the homeless across europe to come there as it is in the US. Those people could also get deported back to their countries of origine if they break the law.

There is also a cultural problem. The people in the US are often  more like "everybody is on his own" and as scholar has said there are no structures in place to deal with the sickness and trauma of the drug addicts as in most European countries. For people from Europe that is obvious.

In Portugual if addicts get caught they lose their drugs and have to visit a rehab strict program and get supported by a wide net. This net is also very well interwoven across society.

Take for example health insurance, which covers basic services. The people can go to a doctor or rehab clinic or call an ambulance and it is paid by their insurance which prevents in many cases that people fall that low. Also in most European countries the people expact that the goverment protects and help those people, even though over the last years we got so much libertarian shit (a lot from the US) via social media. 

On the other hand I have to say that the bigger the country the harder it is to scale it up and accumulate the resources. We should also consider that those rehab programs do not always work, and most often not, if one is already really really deep down the heroin hole.

Like Portland in countries are also cities which serve as hubs where it is easier to access certain drug leading to people to flock to.  The city where I live in has huge air port and is known for as one of the biggest transshipment points for cocain (crack) in europe making it relative cheaper so that addicts across a big chunk of the country come to and live on the streets, overwhelming the system. But here are also other factors at play like the city has one of the biggest legal red light districts in europe which attracts scatchy and broken people and unlawful behaviour.

What's remarkable is that we have two sites here where consuming is tolerated and drug addicts can get clean syringes and needles and have the possibility to consume their drugs there safely and spent some time leading to a reduction of the risk of overdoses and death reducing the number of drug deaths from 150 to 35. 

In my opinion we shouldn't legalize hard drugs and lsd because people are too foolish to handle them properly. I think we here and some of my friends live in a bubble of relative responsibility and maturity (sometimes not even that) but most people aren't like that and subtracting from their health by using them improperly. I also know plenty people using weed avoiding adressing their problems so that they slowly fester.

 

[vibv]

  On 4/13/2025 at 8:01 AM, EdgeGod900 said:

I think he's negging. I only do this shit to girls, but if he likes men, thats no problemo.

Negging is such a toxic concept lol (yeah I did it too)

[Yimpa]

  On 4/13/2025 at 8:51 AM, Basman said:

Sure you don't mean customer experience? Integrity would relate more to health procedures and not trying rip off customers.

No, I Mean the GOD experience!

[Schizophonia]

It could be legalized but sold discreetly.

[Vynce]

  On 4/12/2025 at 6:55 AM, Leo Gura said:

@Jehovah increases Then how do you explain that Oregon is so screwed up?

I heard that they planned to legalize for years, but when it finally came to be, Covid hit, and messed it up from the start. Isolation, illness and loss of job/purpose tend to be major drivers for addiction.

Portugal had more stable ground to build on.

[Aaron p]

  On 4/11/2025 at 8:28 AM, vibv said:

Drugs and capitalism are a really dangerous and bad combination. It should be illegal to sell drugs for maximizing profit in any way shape or form.

Would that include nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, paracetamol and sugar? While the term "drug" might not be a universal term that fits these elements, I'd argue the term "addictive compound" is...then the question is only what are the addictive or damaging potentials for each compound

Edited April 20 by Aaron p

[Aaron p]

  On 4/12/2025 at 10:09 PM, eggopm3 said:

I like the idea of a licensing system. Like in order to get a psychedelic license you have to pass an exam proving you can correctly answer questions about safety, dosage, history of the substance, best practices with the substance, ect.

of course a person would still be free to misuse the substance once they obtain it if they wanted but at least at some point they would have proven knowledge of being educated, and it would filter out those who aren't willing to learn. And there would be consequences for some improper behavior like you could lose your license if you purchased a psychedelic and provided it to an unlicensed person for example.

Haha I like this idea!!!

[Aaron p]

  On 4/12/2025 at 4:24 PM, Jehovah increases said:

Portugal has effectively said, “We won’t treat you like a criminal for using drugs, but we will help you to not ruin your life, not ruin the lives of those around you, and not ruin our country.” They do this with a multi-pronged approach that is aimed at non-users, casual users, frequent users, and addicts. Oregon seems to say, “We won’t treat you like a criminal. You are on your own to find the limited resources that exist to get help, if you want it.”

 

Portugal starts with prevention programs in schools and for the general public that use a comprehensive approach based on data and wellbeing. Unlike many programs in the United States, the program is not focused on zero-tolerance, because that is not the human reality (abstinence-based sex education, anyone?).

@Jehovah increases followed you. 

You are what I call a powerful truth talker. Keep up the good insights 

[Basman]

  On 4/12/2025 at 4:24 PM, Jehovah increases said:

Portugal starts with prevention programs in schools and for the general public that use a comprehensive approach based on data and wellbeing. Unlike many programs in the United States, the program is not focused on zero-tolerance, because that is not the human reality (abstinence-based sex education, anyone?).

Comparing sexual abstinence to drug use implies that taking drugs is a human need, which I find a dubious claim. I'm not sure to what degree but drug use is heavily correlatory with culture in my opinion. Coffee and alcohol are normalized drugs that give social proof. You actually become more social to take these drugs to than if you don't. If decriminilazation leads to the normalization of certain drugs you could potentially create a culture where more drugs become a normalized part of culture.

I'd make the claim that any recreational/lifestyle drugs are more harmful than good in most cases. It would therefor be problematic to liberate cultural acceptance of drugs if it leads to increased drug use in my opinion. At least there needs to be a culture of sobriety.