Violent Energy on 5-MeO. What Is This?

[shree]

@Leo Gura or anyone who has a good experience with middle to high doses of this chem.

 

 What is that extreme, violent, constantly shifting energy I feel during a 5-MeO-DMT trip?
It’s like my entire being is being torn apart by a chaotic energy. It’s more like a trillion flies flinging around at ultra speed in all directions,almost like a living current made of raw intensity. No thoughts, no concepts, just pure, unbearable energy moving through “me,” yet there’s no “me” to hold onto. 

 

It feels like fiju fuj suc fijjoii hdhusjdbhhaixnshdisnxjsj

 

totally beyond language. What exactly is this? Is it the raw nature of God? Infinite Energy? Or just my ego resisting annihilation?

 

 

EDIT: I don't get this on other psychedelics, no matter how deep the trip becomes.

Edited April 9 by shree

[Leo Gura]

Never had that. Everyone is different man.

[shree]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Never had that. Everyone is different man.

Weird.

I though it's something what everyone goes through on 5-MeO.

I had about 10 trips on mid-high doses and every single time had this experience.

[Leo Gura]

Energy in the body is not too important. Don't get hung up on it. Get over it and get to the ontological insight.

What is Reality?

Don't get distracted by shiny objects.

Edited April 9 by Leo Gura

[shree]

It's extremely hard when my only option to use this chem is vaping.

I am blasted away before I even know what is happening and after not more than 7 minutes I am back with only memory of what I described above.

 

Maybe I should stick to longer lasting chems.

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, shree said:

Maybe I should stick to longer lasting chems.

Certainly. At least until you clear out most of the existential confusions.

You also need to shake out all that weird energy, so you are clear and light. That can take dozens of trips and processing of your emotional baggage and egoic hang-ups.

Edited April 9 by Leo Gura

[LambdaDelta]

10 minutes ago, shree said:

It's extremely hard when my only option to use this chem is vaping

Doesn't have to be. There's boofing, which I don't like put people here do. Or better yet, IM. There's a study showing the many advantages of IM over vaporizing.

https://akjournals.com/view/journals/2054/4/2/article-p104.xml

The only trouble is the lack of salts on the market currently, but they'll be restocked very soon. 

Have you tried DPT or the 4-subs? If you want long lasting, go for lysergamides or psychedelic amphetamines. 

[Leo Gura]

If you make a vape pen you can sip on 5-MeO to maintain a mild high for hours.

You can sip 5-MeO for 10 hours straight. Not that I recommend it.

Be intelligent with how you use these tools.

Edited April 9 by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura how do you stay for hours in a certain 5 Meo state? There is tolerance built up. Do I need to vape every time some seconds more or does it become stable after some time so every 5 seconds vaping have; about the same effects? So I vape every 5 minutes again 5 seconds?

[Thought Art]

46 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Energy in the body is not too important. Don't get hung up on it. Get over it and get to the ontological insight.

What is Reality?

Don't get distracted by shiny objects.

That's your bias.

[OBEler]

3 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

That's your bias.

I agree with Leo. What do you really get out of energy? For sure it can feel nice but like a wave washing over you it goes away after some time and you are left with nothing. 

[Leo Gura]

38 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@Leo Gura how do you stay for hours in a certain 5 Meo state?

What is the mystery?

Quote

There is tolerance built up.

None for me.

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Do I need to vape every time some seconds more or does it become stable after some time so every 5 seconds vaping have; about the same effects? So I vape every 5 minutes again 5 seconds?

Like every 10 minutes take a few more puffs. You can do it every 5 mins with smaller puffs. Just experiment to find an even mild high. Time how long a few puffs of high lasts for you and re-dose before it ends.

36 minutes ago, Thought Art said:

That's your bias.

You need to reach ontological comprehension of existence.

Energy is important to work out if it's keeping you stuck or bothering you. But if there is no energetic blocks or weirdness, on to the existential comprehension. You're not doing all this work just to feel energy.

Edited April 9 by Leo Gura

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura I mean, a violent chaotic internal energy isn't ideal for deep "ontological" or what have you, comprehension of existence right? This man is experiencing the stuckness/ botheringness to him so it's not a shiny object but a blockage.

So, it's worth getting that looked at and figuring it out. The deep insights I've gotten from 5meodmt, energy was one of them. I don't consider it a "shiny object" to be ignored but an important part of mastering life. To me, realizing my energy was a big realization for my life purpose work. 

@OBEler Do you find you remember the insights from your trips strongly? I find when I go back from a trip, I am rarely profoundly different. hmmm, 

@shree I am curious what Martin Ball would say, you could consider booking a 30 minute session with him or something to explain your symptoms. Getting a good energetic balance, and being able to relax into the state could be the key to deeper trips.

 

Edited April 9 by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

@Leo Gura I honestly think, 5meodmt has raised a lot of questions in me. I have a lot of questions from my trips, at least in this state I am in more than I have answers. I've tripped quite a few times now. Would I say I discovered God? I wonder if I hadn't heard your talking about God if I would think it was God.

I need to come to my own contemplation and conclusions but I think I need more trips. 

I've experienced the ego death, deep profound feelings of love, something I would describe as infinity, or eternity, oneness, solipsism, I've had deep insights about reality that have changed my life... Deep insights into self love and forgiveness... ,,, but, I still think there is more to understand. I want more understanding than... Your work. I don't like that I am influenced by you when I am tripping. I need to break free from actualized teachings and really focus on my own insights. I've had trips where I felt like I understood God. But, I find in my sober states, month later that feels a bit distant. And, with space away from it I have questions.

It's not really up to someone else to say my trips or insights were wrong in these cases. I have had wrong insights from 5Meodmt especially early on. But, Yeah, I gotta let go of Leos 5meodmt interpretations and really settle on my own.

I can only be satisfied with my own understanding and development. I am not really sure. I have to cut through every spiritual teacher.

Edited April 9 by Thought Art

[Leo Gura]

@Thought Art Keep going. God is waiting for you.

Don't mind me.

[Francis777]

@Leo Gura I find it absurdly strange that you have had no significant energy symptoms in the body, do you have any idea why you think you haven't experienced this yet considering how much psychedelics you've done?

Edited April 9 by Francis777

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Francis777 said:

@Leo Gura I find it absurdly strange that you have had no significant energy symptoms in the body, do you have any idea why you think you haven't experienced this yet considering how much psychedelics you've done?

I don't know why. All I've ever cared about is understanding reality.

I had some mild vibratory energy on DPT. But even that disappeared. Energy is not a thing that exists in my trips.

Edited April 9 by Leo Gura

[Francis777]

3 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I don't know why. All I've ever cared about is understanding reality.

I had a bit of vibratory energy on DPT. But even that disappeared. Energy is not a thing that exists in my trips.

You seem like a bit of a unicorn in this regard (I mean considering your supposed "level"), energy in the body has ruined my life.

Perhaps maybe you just went full speed in one direction (the metaphysical) and somewhat bypassed this aspect, almost all energy symptoms (in my direct experience and from what I've read) have to do with mastering "physical" life and people. This has always been a primary goal of mine because of my upbringing.

Maybe a bodily awakening is your next evolution. Have you ever deliberately pursued this type of work/phenomena? I can't imagine I would've ever experienced it unless I deliberately pursued it in the way that I did. 

Did you ever have a non-negotiable reason in which you HAD to master your emotions? Because I remember you mentioning that you've been alone/isolated for most of your life, maybe this could attribute to it, in that you were never forced to master people, it had always been an "endeavour"? Were you self-sufficient from an early-ish age?

 

[Clarence]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you make a vape pen you can sip on 5-MeO to maintain a mild high for hours.

You can sip 5-MeO for 10 hours straight. Not that I recommend it.

Be intelligent with how you use these tools.

Have you experimented with redosing using the plugging method? I imagine it would work fine, but be very inconvenient.

[Leo Gura]

17 minutes ago, Francis777 said:

Perhaps maybe you just went full speed in one direction (the metaphysical) and somewhat bypassed this aspect, almost all energy symptoms (in my direct experience and from what I've read) have to do with mastering "physical" life and people. This has always been a primary goal of mine because of my upbringing.

Maybe a bodily awakening is your next evolution. Have you ever deliberately pursued this type of work/phenomena?

I just don't get those energies from psychedelics. Doesn't matter if I try to master physical life or if I try to fly to the moon.

Edited April 9 by Leo Gura