God Maintaining You Sanity

[Something Funny]

@Leo Gura can clarify this point from the "Top Proofs For The Existence Of God" more or is it something that requires me to have an awakening to understand?

Why does God have to " be maintaining your sanity right now" as opposed to you just having a functioning brain (even if we assume that it was designed by God) that is sane by default until it gets broken? Why did you make an emphasis on active maintenance? And by insanity, do you mean people that are traditionally considered insane or do you mean some crazy levels of insanity that most people have no clue about?

Also, why did you find it important to highlight this specific point? Wouldn't this be the case for everything else as well, like your heart beating, your cells functioning properly, etc.? Do you just consider it interesting to think about or is there some special significance / uniqueness when it comes to sanity?

Finally, when you are talking about demons and unicorns, and saying that they are as real as horses because it's all consciousness, do you mean that you are currently imagining horses to be real, but you could have as well been imagining demons to be real, or unicorns since fundamentally it is all consciousness? 

Or are you saying that there are literally demons in this reality, currently, that my mind is already imagining, just like there are horses? And that God is actively protecting me from those demons / keeping me sane?

Edited April 8 by Something Funny

[ExploringReality]

 William James passage on the variety of religious experiences.

"Our normal waking consciousness is but one special type of consciousness, whilst all about it, parted from it by the filmiest of screens, there lie potential forms of consciousness entirely different. We may go through life without suspecting their existence; but apply the requisite stimulus, and at a touch they are there in all their completeness."

 

[Something Funny]

3 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

 William James passage on the variety of religious experiences.

"Our normal waking consciousness is but one special type of consciousness, whilst all about it, parted from it by the filmiest of screens, there lie potential forms of consciousness entirely different. We may go through life without suspecting their existence; but apply the requisite stimulus, and at a touch they are there in all their completeness."

not sure if this is in regards to demons / other conscious entities or different states of consciousness that you can experience

[LambdaDelta]

Sanity is a much broader concept than just coherence of perception. There is insanity far beyond your run of the mill schizophrenia and such that cannot ever be put into words, it's too undefined and chaotic, virtually zero order to its workings. It also doesn't have to refer to just psychology. Sane means healthy. Sanidad is health in Spanish. A well-functioning body where all organs work together and there's no cancer is sane. A solar system where planets orbit the star properly without colliding into each other is sane. This kind of order applies to all of God, except the Insane parts, but even those follow the law of Being. 

[Something Funny]

@LambdaDelta I am actually really curious about how insane your mind can go.

This still leaves the question of active maintenance vs this just being how reality was designed / law of being as you've called it.

[Hojo]

I would say imagine your sanity like an invisible fist God is clasping tight so you can move around properly. Without all these concepts and ideas your visual field looses it and your mental field looses it. You wont know what you are looking at and you wont know how you 'normally experience it. Everything you know outside your visual field leaves and you are left with a screen and emotions you dont know what they are and you are not there as a concept to express them the body is unleashed. The feeling of where your body located is sanity. Without it you dont know up down left right its like a swirling ball of colors and sounds that you are in but you also don't exist as anything in it.

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[LambdaDelta]

2 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

This still leaves the question of active maintenance vs this just being how reality was designed

I don't think there's a concrete answer to this, as usually is with God it's both simultaneously, a paradox. All of reality rests on God's Being, which maintains everything, from coherent to chaotic. It's not that God protects one from horrors like some guardian angel, more like for God to effectively manifest as a human, a lot of obfuscation in consciousness has to happen - hide the knowledge that you're God, not perceive paranormal phenomena, certain light frequencies, be sensitive to a limited range of temperatures... That you could say is all actively maintained. But it could be un-imagined.
 

7 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

 I am actually really curious about how insane your mind can go

Buyer beware, you may think you do, but it's actually quite terrifying. Conceptual and intellectual understanding won't cut it. Try taking a deliriant like diphenhydramine, scopolamine, or benzydamine, that'll give a taste of insanity on par or worse than schizophrenia. Don't recommend it, dangerous psychologically and bad for the body. I plan to at some point, but I'm reckless. That would still be scratching the surface though, enormous doses of Salvia will do the job much better, and yet there's really no limit. Past the point where you permanently stop realizing yourself as anything (not death), there's no way to quantify it. 

[Something Funny]

4 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

Buyer beware, you may think you do, but it's actually quite terrifying. Conceptual and intellectual understanding won't cut it. Try taking a deliriant like diphenhydramine, scopolamine, or benzydamine, that'll give a taste of insanity on par or worse than schizophrenia. Don't recommend it, dangerous psychologically and bad for the body. I plan to at some point, but I'm reckless. That would still be scratching the surface though, enormous doses of Salvia will do the job much better, and yet there's really no limit. Past the point where you permanently stop realizing yourself as anything (not death), there's no way to quantify it. 

How is this different from "regular" psychedelics?

 

[LambdaDelta]

2 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

How is this different from "regular" psychedelics?

 

Read some trip reports and find out, deliriants are completely different, they act on the cholinergic system, the most fundamental in the body. Similar mechanism of action is used in chemical weapons like Sarin.

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, Something Funny said:

@Leo Gura can clarify this point from the "Top Proofs For The Existence Of God" more or is it something that requires me to have an awakening to understand?

Why does God have to " be maintaining your sanity right now"

Because nothing has permanent existence without God holding the object steady in its Mind.

Imagine a space kangaroo in your mind right now. Notice, as soon as you stop holding it steady, it warps and or disappears. For there to be a permanent coherent space kangaroo you would need to hold it perfectly steady in your mind. Which shows you how weak your mind is because you cannot do it for more than a few seconds, never mind 80 years.

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as opposed to you just having a functioning brain

There's no such thing as a brain. You are assuming a permanent object which exists outside of Mind. There are no such objects.

Even if I were to grant your brain, that brain would need to be held in God's Mind with perfect precision and coherence. Even a one second lapse in Consciousness would break your brain and leave you crippled.

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Why did you make an emphasis on active maintenance?

Mind is always an active, alive process. Just observe how your mind flows around every second.

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And by insanity, do you mean people that are traditionally considered insane or do you mean some crazy levels of insanity that most people have no clue about?

Humanity does not understand what insanity is so they usually use that word incorrectly.

I mostly mean radical levels of insanity.

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Also, why did you find it important to highlight this specific point? Wouldn't this be the case for everything else as well, like your heart beating, your cells functioning properly, etc.? Do you just consider it interesting to think about or is there some special significance / uniqueness when it comes to sanity?

Because you as a mind are terrified of insanity. When your consciousness expands you don't need to worry about cells functioning properly too much because you'll be too worried about the oncoming insanity.

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Finally, when you are talking about demons and unicorns, and saying that they are as real as horses because it's all consciousness, do you mean that you are currently imagining horses to be real, but you could have as well been imagining demons to be real, or unicorns since fundamentally it is all consciousness? 

Your human self does not have enough power to imagine a real demon. But God's Mind does. So it's not up you. Just like it's not up to you to imagine that the moon is made of cheese. But God could.

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Or are you saying that there are literally demons in this reality, currently, that my mind is already imagining, just like there are horses? And that God is actively protecting me from those demons / keeping me sane?

Consciousness/Mind is an inherently dreamy, fluid thing. Unless it is deliberately stabilized into a rigid form, it will weave around and dream up all sorts of random stuff like demons, etc. God protects your mind from demons by dreaming your life in a very rigid way. If God dreamed your life in a more loose way, you would be schizophrenic, with demons whispering inside your head.

If God was not maintaining your sanity you would be psychotic. There are many such people in mental hospitals around the world. You just take it for granted. Hell, we've got psychotic folk lurking around this forum. Some of them probably imagine I'm a demon.

Edited April 9 by Leo Gura

[Something Funny]

@Leo Gura thank you

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Even if I were to grant your brain, that brain would need to be held in God's Mind with perfect precision and coherence. Even a one second lapse in Consciousness would break your brain and leave you crippled.

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Doesn't this imply some kind of object permanence though? Otherwise, wouldn't such lapse in consciousness mean me completely disappearing out of the existence and God restarting to imagine me, but it would now be a different version of me? 
 

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I mostly mean radical levels of insanity.

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21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Because you as a mind are terrified of insanity. When your consciousness expands you don't need to worry about cells functioning properly too much because you'll be too worried about the oncoming insanity.

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Do you think insanity is worth exploring for its own sake (as in actively trying to experience states of insanity) or do you treat it as a side effect of trying to expand your consciousness with psychedelics and other stuff?

 

21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Your human self does not have enough power to imagine a real demon. But God's Mind does. So it's not up you. Just like it's not up to you to imagine that the moon is made of cheese. But God could.

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21 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Consciousness/Mind is an inherently dreamy, fluid thing. Unless it is deliberately stabilized into a rigid form, it will weave around and dream up all sorts of random stuff like demons, etc. God protects your mind from demons by dreaming your life in a very rigid way. If God dreamed your life in a more loose way, you would be schizophrenic, with demons whispering inside your head.

So when a schizophrenic is seeing demons, it's not them creating/imagining those demons with their brain, which is ultimately being imagined by God, it's God actively dreaming your whole life up in a certain way?

To clarify, I am essentially asking if it's possible to somehow affect your reality from this 1 level of separation: God Mind -> Your own mind -> things imagined by your own mind. 

You are saying that human mind/self is too weak for that. Do you believe this is a hard rule, like totally not possible or there might be people capable of this? 

In this example, could insane people be able to do this to some degree because their minds are more unhinged?

 

Edited April 9 by Something Funny

[Hojo]

@Something Funny Try and think of a nightmare you had when you were a baby you woke up and still felt the nigtmare didnt trust anyone a dark state looms over your mind you are awake but the bad feeling is still there. God sees you dont like it and cant function that way so it takes them away. When we get old and crippled and retarded the same things start to happen. I work in old folks home they have night terrors and wake up screaming and crying and will keep being scared for hours after. They are seeing whats there. Its basically how scared are you without being able to fight the fear and just sitting in it.

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[Leo Gura]

24 minutes ago, Something Funny said:

Doesn't this imply some kind of object permanence though?

Not really. Object permanence is a kind of illusion which happens from highly coherent dreaming.

Think of a video game. Every time you turn it on, a coherent world appears. If you turn it off it disappears. Then it appears again when you turn it back on. The game world is not really permanent, but it appears consistently when you turn it on/off.

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Otherwise, wouldn't such lapse in consciousness mean me completely disappearing out of the existence and God restarting to imagine me

That's what's happening. Or, rather, God is even imagining that lapses in consciousness happened to you.

If God did not imagine your past, there would be no lapses in consciousness. So even lapses in consciousness are imaginary.

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but it would now be a different version of me? 

It's the same version if God imagines it's continuous. God is in control of what sameness means. Sameness is a matter of perspective.

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Do you think insanity is worth exploring for its own sake (as in actively trying to experience states of insanity)

It's worth exploring to understand how Consciousness works. But it's also dangerous. So there's a trade-off to exploration. You might sail off the edge of the Earth.

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So when a schizophrenic is seeing demons, it's not them creating/imagining those demons with their brain, which is ultimately being imagined by God, it's God actively dreaming your whole life up in a certain way?

Depends on what level you want to look at it from. You could say a broken brain creates demons. But in a deeper sense a "broken brain" is just a way of saying that God is dreaming reality in a looser way.

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To clarify, I am essentially asking if it's possible to somehow affect your reality from this 1 level of separation God Mind -> Your own mind -> things imagined by your own mind. 

You are saying that human mind/self is too weak for that. Do you believe this is a hard rule, like totally not possible or there might be people capable of this? 

It's unclear how far you can push the dream. This depends on things like genetic talents, your skill, your training, your intelligence, your level of consciousness, etc.

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In this example, could insane people be able to do this to some degree because their minds are more unhinged?

Well, theoretically highly spiritually advanced mystics are able to have some siddhis. How far this goes is unclear to me.

 

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[Something Funny]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's the same version God imagines it's continuous.

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So it's not like in the teleportation / transferring human consciousness to another body thought experiments where the idea is that the thing that's being transferred might be just a copy paste of you, not really you.

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's worth exploring to understand how Consciousness works. But it's also dangerous. So there's a trade-off to exploration. You might sail off the edge of the Earth.

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Yeah... It sounds very interesting though.

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Depends on what level you want to look at it from. You could say a broken brain creates demons. But in a deeper sense a broken brain a way of saying that God is dreaming reality in a looser way.

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I see. I think that it would also be interesting to be able to explore this looser reality with a functioning brain to be able to really observe and appreciate it vs going nuts along with it.

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, theoretically highly spiritually advanced mystics are able to have some siddhis. How far this goes is unclear to me.

I see.

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Also, would you mind sharing where you get your scarves from? Are they made from silk or is it some other fabric?

[Something Funny]

17 minutes ago, Hojo said:

@Something Funny Try and think of a nightmare you had when you were a baby you woke up and still felt the nigtmare didnt trust anyone a dark state looms over your mind you are awake but the bad feeling is still there. God sees you dont like it and cant function that way so it takes them away. When we get old and crippled and retarded the same things start to happen. I work in old folks home they have night terrors and wake up screaming and crying and will keep being scared for hours after. They are seeing whats there. Its basically how scared are you without being able to fight the fear and just sitting in it.

In my experience, regular dreams are just stuff that you are thinking about in your waking life, not some mystical experiences.

[Hojo]

@Something FunnyWhat about a non regular dream?

[Something Funny]

@Hojo if you mean lucid dreaming and that kind of stuff then I never had those, unfortunately. My sister claimed that she had astral projections a few times but I don't know how much of it is real vs her just thinking that it was real.

[Hojo]

@Something Funny I mean a nightmare. Im sure your brain dosent want to think about that.

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[Something Funny]

Just now, Hojo said:

@Something Funny I mean a nightmare.

I classify those as regular dreams. Just scary, lol.

[ExploringReality]

I am God rotating my mind.

Would you say the dark night of the soul is a form of insanity Leo? As my feelings and thoughts became indistinguishable from reality, I couldn't recognize the faces of my family pictures on the wall. All is Mind. I was watching myself from an invisible point of view outside of time. I couldn't take it anymore, I had to cry and keep my mouth shut, to not go crazy and scream for help. I trusted the process to unfold and letting my intuition guide my surrender to this complete reversal, expansion and explosion of infinity. I seen black and white colored pigeons flutter forming a non-duality symbol. I seen the entire universe from the top down.  I became cosmic events. I felt the weight of the worlds suffering. I went through the birth canal and was reborn as a baby is born, full of blood and feces. This was the experience that got me serious with my life and quenched a transcendental thirst.

If everything is an experience, then where is experience happening? is it inside or outside? You can't have an inside without an outside. If everything is an experience, and I'm trying to look for the one who is experiencing experience, then anything I point to in regards to me trying to look for myself, is an experience and therefore by definition cannot be me. My mind is breaking down, what the fuck am I, hello?????? Anyone out there???? Hello??? Reminds me of when darry from Jeepers creepers 1 went down the pipe.

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