How could feelings be just about survival and nothing else?

[integral]

Feelings are the most important possible thing in my direct experience but from Leo's framework it is an afternote.

When a human experiences absolute love they get a feeling of love but that feeling is a Limited human experience of the absolute. This is generally how Leo has explained this to me in the past.

Feelings in this framework is like content that is changing and not part of the structure of anything.

but I have never had an experience of anything without feelings, feelings are changing constantly but I never had no feelings.

Existence is a super obvious absolute because it's just always there but feelings yes they're changing constantly but they're also always there. 

I've never not had a feeling. So it would appear to me that feelings are also first order?

What is actual in my direct experience, is also deeply entangled with a feeling. Yes that feeling changes but there is always a feeling. Always.

I can recognize what is actual in my direct experience as first order. But if I create a separation between feelings and what his actual I feel like that separation is artificial.

Why should I separate my feelings from what is actual?

@Leo Gura 

Edited Tuesday at 05:49 AM by integral

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Keen to hear the answer here also.

Mainly because I experience all as vibration, frequency, energy. So I can integrate feelings into this experience easily as they are another frequency. Confluence & coherence are the reasons for matter arising in this reality, all lit up with the energy of god. So making something happen is a matter of increasing coherence of a system. So god is everything, everywhere. I am merely the manifestation of this coherent system of energy, frequency and vibrational alignment. The energy of the absolute creating my experience is made up of the very fabric of reality itself. Consciousness gives rise to matter in its slow, concentrated vibration.

[Lyubov]

There is nothing wrong with emotions. I would say our experience as humans is colored by emotions and they can be wonderful. Joy, happiness, love, these are fine. The thing is most people including me have gotten lost in our emotions. It's almost as if they become the star of the show without ever looking at just what they are, why they exist, and how they exist. Most people aren't aware they create their emotions (from the beliefs and perceptions you choose, which is your choice, some of those beliefs may even be valid and helpful for how you want to live your life). They want to deny them, sweep them under the rug, fight with them, seek "emotional safety" which is a contradiction considering they are self generated. You aren't ever a victim to them, but most people frame them as such, and they pile on so many beliefs, in a way subtly letting their inner child / ego drive the car. Emotions are fine, even anger and whatnot can be appropriate, they aren't a mistake, I see them as a signal to lead oneself back to wholeness. Just take responsibility for them and recognize yourself at the center of them. 

Edited Tuesday at 03:29 AM by Lyubov

[samijiben]

It's just that feelings and emotions are not Truth.

They are transient. They pass. Reminds me of this quote:

"Nothing is more short-lived than the erection; like the crocus of Spring, it is there for a moment, then it is gone." — William Irwin Thompson

[Natasha Tori Maru]

32 minutes ago, samijiben said:

It's just that feelings and emotions are not Truth.

They are transient. They pass. Reminds me of this quote:

"Nothing is more short-lived than the erection; like the crocus of Spring, it is there for a moment, then it is gone." — William Irwin Thompson

I'm trying to understand.

Truth =/= Feeling

Love = Feeling

Love = God

Therefore, Truth =/= God

Edited Tuesday at 04:22 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[samijiben]

@Natasha Tori Maru

Что?

Are we doing mathematics now?

In that case, I have a theorem:

Feelings = emotions = some more shit that you have thought of and GOD IS STILL WAITING FOR YOU...

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Haha,

5 minutes ago, samijiben said:

@Natasha Tori Maru

Что?

Are we doing mathematics now?

In that case, I have a theorem:

Feelings = emotions = some more shit that you have thought of and GOD IS STILL WAITING FOR YOU...

It is more that I find maths useful to clearly and logically express a deduction in reasoning without any fluffy language that can be misinterpreted.

I still think what I wrote is true, and I am very open to it being disproven. I don't mind being incorrect 

Edited Tuesday at 04:37 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[samijiben]

@Natasha Tori Maru

I can disprove your entire argument easily.

Watch this:

Close your eyes, take a deep breath in, and slowly open your eyes as you exhale (blow out the candle), and watch as your "argument" (or whatever) disintegrates into nothing, just as the shit disappears from the bowl of the toilet once you flush it, and reveals that You have no argument

Case closed.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

1 minute ago, samijiben said:

@Natasha Tori Maru

I can disprove your entire argument easily.

Watch this:

Close your eyes, take a deep breath in, and slowly open your eyes as you exhale (blow out the candle), and watch as your "argument" (or whatever) disintegrates into nothing, just as the shit disappears from the bowl of the toilet once you flush it, and reveals that You have no argument

Case closed.

You haven't given my proof any thought

[samijiben]

@Natasha Tori Maru Your proof is sexy. I think it looks nice. Just like a dancing apparition! Mmmmm, show me your moves, baby!

But, still, it does not hold muster against the Great Girth of God's Mighty IllusionPlower!

And so, just like the snowplower (will attach picture to be sure), so God is tilling the fields night and day, ridding them of the proofs of concept that actually stand in the way of getting closer to.... TO WHAT?

Didn't Leo just make a video about this?!

Still don't get it!?

[samijiben]

[Natasha Tori Maru]

@samijiben It is a disservice and insult to Leo's work to engage in trolling like this.

ignored

[Lyubov]

58 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I'm trying to understand.

Truth =/= Feeling

Love = Feeling

Love = God

Therefore, Truth =/= God

Emotion is like a guidance system towards truth, not truth itself. Think of them like a compass that points north (truth). You align with truth when you dissolve beliefs that contradict or obfuscate truth. When you are not holding a belief system that contradicts, you are not torn between the opposing sides so you are then perceiving the truth, you as one without any belief that creates the illusion of you being separate, or not good enough (a common belief of separation, you being not good enough vs everyone else who is good enough), which then has a paired chemical reaction in your body which creates an emotion you then label as love giving you bodily feedback you are aligned. 

Edited Tuesday at 05:20 AM by Lyubov

[Willie]

1 hour ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

I'm trying to understand.

Truth =/= Feeling

Love =/= Feeling

Love = God = Truth

Therefore, Feeling =/= God

fixed

[Leo Gura]

All of experience is Truth, but then experience is co-opted and twisted to serve survival. Thoughts and emotions have Being in themselves as qualia, but notice how much thoughts and emotions become tools of the ego.

Survival is one lens to see things through. It's a powerful lens. But there's more to Consciousness than survival. So it depends on how you want to look at it, and what purposes you're looking at it for.

The feeling of an itch on your face is both a survival thing, but also an ontological, existenting, Being thing.

Of course that itch is God if looked at with sufficient consciousness.

Edited Tuesday at 05:40 AM by Leo Gura

[Staples]

Feelings are the raw input. However you decide to label them is up to you.

Survival is a concept. A very powerful one. But it is not tied to feelings existentially.

Edited Tuesday at 05:44 AM by Staples

[Natasha Tori Maru]

2 hours ago, Willie said:

fixed

No, love is a feeling and an emotion to embody

[LastThursday]

Feeling is quite an overloaded word. You have tactile feeling, hot/cold, rough/smooth etc. You have bodily sensations related to anxiety, anger, fear, hunger or more generally emotions. Then you have feeling as a synonym for belief or certainty and other mental states. All of those are quite different things, so you have to be careful when using the word feeling.

Different people also place varying importance on feeling. Some people may trust what they see or hear more than what they feel (emotionally), they have a different emphasis in navigating the world. 

[UnbornTao]

What is feeling? 

Is a thought sourcing feeling? 

Edited Tuesday at 03:47 PM by UnbornTao

[Yimpa]

This is so cringe 💀 

Edited Tuesday at 07:47 PM by Yimpa