How could feelings be just about survival and nothing else?

[Salvijus]

26 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Thank you for your perspective its interesting.

Have you ever experienced trapped patterns of feeling inside yourself from traumas or recurring cycles and patterns?

Recurring patterns are unresolved feelings. By feeling the unresolved feelings fully we can transform the blocked energy back into flow, back into wholeness. Yes, I've experienced that many times, it's my daily bread and practice. 

[gettoefl]

There is thoughts, emotions, feelings, sensations. All more opaque ways to understand the world. Understanding illusion is nothing. God knows and doesn't understand. We are not here for feelings. And actually there is only two, fear and love. Fear means I will try to stay like I am - as silly as that is. Love means I will return whence I came.

Will is whatever God wants. For example looking after his various limbs, his kids. His kids meanwhile are in revolt and think they have seized the throne and now have their own universe which is just a painting over God's universe. His kids just like dreaming. God's will is inviolate and unopposable.

Edited Monday at 10:42 AM by gettoefl

[BlueOak]

40 minutes ago, Salvijus said:

Recurring patterns are unresolved feelings. By feeling the unresolved feelings fully we can transform the blocked energy back into flow, back into wholeness. Yes, I've experienced that many times, it's my daily bread and practice. 

Gratitude for your perspective. 

[BlueOak]

So in my experience.

I've been in states of pure feeling no thought.
I've been in states of pure thought no feeling.
I've been in states with neither feeling or thought.

I've experienced thoughts generating feelings. I've experienced thoughts generated on their own.
I've experienced feelings generating thoughts, and i've experienced feelings generated on their own.

Edited Monday at 11:01 AM by BlueOak

[UnbornTao]

6 hours ago, Salvijus said:

There is no experience without a feeling. Experience itself is a feeling. Even a no-feeling state is a feeling. Feeling is sentience itself. It's conciousness. It's Knowledge with a capital K. 

Go back to the drawing board. When we are feeling something, and it seems to be a pretty constant activity, although incredibly subtle at times, what is that about?

Edited Monday at 02:27 PM by UnbornTao

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Go back to the drawing board. When we are feeling something, and it seems to be a pretty constant activity, although incredibly subtle at times, what is that about?

It's self knowledge. 

The more concious you are, the more you feel, the more you feel, the more you Know, ad infinitum. All three are actually one. 

Edited Monday at 02:34 PM by Salvijus

[Eskilon]

Feeling is God's capacity of being selfless.

Edited Monday at 02:36 PM by Eskilon

[UnbornTao]

@Salvijus @Eskilon Take a feeling you have right now -- if you pay attention, there's some sort of feeling-sensation present right now -- and investigate it for what it is.

[Salvijus]

1 minute ago, UnbornTao said:

@Salvijus @Eskilon Take a feeling you have right now -- if you pay attention, there's some sort of feeling-sensation present right now -- and investigate it for what it is.

You feel a sensation, sensation is not a feeling. 

Edited Monday at 03:19 PM by Salvijus

[UnbornTao]

4 hours ago, Salvijus said:

You feel a sensation, sensation is not a feeling. 

That seems to be the case (or do you sense a feeling?), though the difference may not be as straightforward as we make it out to be intellectually, hence the compound term. Sitting comfortably on a cushion and, say, feeling at rest, tends to be a single muddy, vague experience for us, where the sensations of the body sitting and our feeling-state are one and the same. Sensation seems to be more primal and physical, consisting of a more "raw" perceptual encounter and coming prior to feeling, while the latter may be a more conceptually-loaded effect, although it isn't an emotion -- yet? 

Edited Monday at 07:21 PM by UnbornTao