Peæking into Absolute I AM

[LambdaDelta]

10 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

It seems to me like you confused a drug-induced state and your stories about it with a direct consciousness of the nature of something. 

I'm not saying there's isn't any wisdom there, but depending on what is being alluded to, it sounds like it is coming from intellect. What would you say did you become conscious of? 

You wouldn't have known it was "drug induced" if I hadn't mentioned that in another reply. Stories are direct consciousness. Everything that's happening is a story within I AM. And of course it's coming from intellect, God is Intelligence. Insight isn't some instantaneous event of a light bulb illuminating in your head, I have in-sight (seeing) how the letters I'm typing this response with and the phone this page is rendered on are God. As a start. Deeper than ever before. But that's not some ultimate awakening, I never claimed it was, quite the contrary perhaps, it has humbled me and so it should all of you. Develop your consciousness however you like, I don't want to debate, truth isn't found that way. Go become Truth, and then all I said along with the entire universe will actually be a story. 

[UnbornTao]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@UnbornTao You're being kinda harsh on him. I think his experience was clearly profound.

What is being conveyed? What is the purpose of the storytelling and the rhetoric? If it is thought of as a direct encounter with the nature of something, such encounter doesn't produce that kind of communication. It is something else, likely a conflation.

Edited April 9 by UnbornTao

[UnbornTao]

6 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

You wouldn't have known it was "drug induced" if I hadn't mentioned that in another reply. Stories are direct consciousness. Everything that's happening is a story within I AM. And of course it's coming from intellect, God is Intelligence. Insight isn't some instantaneous event of a light bulb illuminating in your head, I have in-sight (seeing) how the letters I'm typing this response with and the phone this page is rendered on are God. As a start. Deeper than ever before. But that's not some ultimate awakening, I never claimed it was, quite the contrary perhaps, it has humbled me and so it should all of you. Develop your consciousness however you like, I don't want to debate, truth isn't found that way. Go become Truth, and then all I said along with the entire universe will actually be a story. 

OK, call things by their name. Stories are stories. You misunderstood the part regarding intellect. It points to an insidious and prevalent dynamic of conflating belief, conclusion, state, drug-induced or not, with direct consciousness. 

Edited April 9 by UnbornTao

[LambdaDelta]

1 hour ago, UnbornTao said:

Okay, it's fine, but call things by their name.

God has many names, I think I'm allowed some creative freedom.  Even the title is a wordplay, 'peaking' relative to my prior experiences, yet only 'peeking' in the big picture. If you think that style is confusing, wait till you see how Sufi mystics write, or Zen Koans. 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

Even the title is a wordplay, 'peaking' relative to my prior experiences, yet only 'peeking' in the big picture.

I got ya

The master knows who's doing the work.

Edited April 9 by Leo Gura

[ExploringReality]

@LambdaDelta

Hey man your style is smooth, very educated and very sharp. Looking forward to following your shared resources, Im personally fascinated with learning about mycology and the role fungi play in the ecosystem and how tryptamines work chemically and   phenomenologically

[BlueOak]

5 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

But what is being conveyed? If it is thought of as a direct encounter with the nature of something, such encounter doesn't produce that kind of communication. It may be something else.

Can you describe what you mean by a direct encounter? 

 

[UnbornTao]

1 hour ago, LambdaDelta said:

God has many names, I think I'm allowed some creative freedom.  Even the title is a wordplay, 'peaking' relative to my prior experiences, yet only 'peeking' in the big picture. If you think that style is confusing, wait till you see how Sufi mystics write, or Zen Koans. 

Communicate what you became conscious of, if anything.

56 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

Can you describe what you mean by a direct encounter? 

You being in the exact same "place" as the thing realized, its nature.

Edited April 9 by UnbornTao

[LambdaDelta]

20 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Communicate what you became conscious of.

That assumes Absolute Truth can be communicated in such a direct way using the conceptual overlay of language, like capturing infinity in a bottle. The most this writeup can do is inspire someone to explore consciousness themselves. Taking my stories at face values would be a mistake. I did my best to provide fresh perspectives and some advice, most people don't even bother doing that, they spend half the piece describing set & setting and what they were doing throughout, with a few vague "OMG I'm God!", "It's all perfect, it's all Love" sprinkled in. By your definition of direct encounter there'd be no communication at all, instead a vow of silence or a mahasamadhi, which was a real possibility. If you want some dry lab notes on God, like a transcript of what it told me or how it looked like, this discussion serves no purpose. 

 

36 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Being in the exact same "place" as the thing realized, its nature.

You are always in that "place", all that shifts is the state of consciousness.

[Yimpa]

11 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

The most this writeup can do is inspire someone to explore consciousness themselves. Taking my stories at face values would be a mistake.

[UnbornTao]

14 hours ago, LambdaDelta said:

That assumes Absolute Truth can be communicated in such a direct way using the conceptual overlay of language, like capturing infinity in a bottle. The most this writeup can do is inspire someone to explore consciousness themselves. Taking my stories at face values would be a mistake. I did my best to provide fresh perspectives and some advice, most people don't even bother doing that, they spend half the piece describing set & setting and what they were doing throughout, with a few vague "OMG I'm God!", "It's all perfect, it's all Love" sprinkled in. By your definition of direct encounter there'd be no communication at all, instead a vow of silence or a mahasamadhi, which was a real possibility. If you want some dry lab notes on God, like a transcript of what it told me or how it looked like, this discussion serves no purpose. 

You keep dodging the question. Try, that's what communication is about. It is there to represent an experience.

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You are always in that "place", all that shifts is the state of consciousness.

Again, intellectual understanding is a different matter than coming from experience.

Edited Thursday at 01:32 PM by UnbornTao

[LambdaDelta]

@UnbornTao nah, I think we're done here. Metaphors and general stylistic choice don't resonate with you, that's fine. Simple armchair speculation doesn't leave one unable to move or eat for a day though. But sure, all this is fanfiction that I wrote because I was bored, let's leave it at that. That's also a truth of sorts.

[ExploringReality]

@LambdaDelta

That's a very mature way of dealing with this discussion. I strive to be this patient and cool 😎 

[Leo Gura]

@UnbornTao Let this go please. Let him have his view.

[UnbornTao]

Alrighty.

 

Edited April 10 by UnbornTao

[Leo Gura]

@UnbornTao Thanks

[LambdaDelta]

17 minutes ago, ExploringReality said:

@LambdaDelta

That's a very mature way of dealing with this discussion. I strive to be this patient and cool 😎 

Thanks man. It's a work in progress, ain't always easy, but there's certain benefits and principles you can derive from mystical experiences for such situations.

1. Everyone is free to have their own perspective and opinion on God, and none of them diminish or contradict God in the slightest, it's all TRUE, no matter what it is, how relatively wrong it is, absolute wrong is just not a thing.
2. Those in possession of truth do not need to debate or prove it, you may engage in some good faith discussions to a certain point, but if the signal isn't getting through save your energy and leave it be. Conceding defeat is liberating. 
3. Due to the infinite capacity of Consciousness for denial and obfuscation, if someone's unwilling to accept what you're communicating, there's nothing to be done about it, it's a hermetic seal on the mind. 
4. Your automatic egoic reaction to disagreement and conflict is still present, but over time it grows weaker and weaker till you're completely detached and are just having fun.

And look, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Usually my threads get like 2-3 replies tops, most often none, but look how this here has sprawled 

 

25 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Let him have his view.

That reminded me of multiple perspectives on the same mundane event.
People often kill insects like woodlouses in their homes as they find them repulsive. 
But there's many ways to recontextualize this.
a) Realizing yourself in that insect, through the lived experience of being stepped on as bug crawling on the ground, remembered via 'database' in God Consciousness. Then you start to tread much more carefully in the world, although you still move forward, because you're also conscious of the cycle of life.
b) Noticing the divine intelligence in that tiny thing, how the neurons synchronize the movements of its many legs perfectly, how its caloric intake is so miniscule it could probably live a year off a single breadcrumb, and so on. This is the miracle of existence in action. Just the fact that you find some things repulsive and others beautiful is a deliberate creation within consciousness, an intangible distinction is being made in real time.
c) Even if we forgo all the above, assume it's a discrete being, and that it is ugly, simply find it in yourself to have mercy and Goodness, and spare it all the same, no matter your feelings about it.

I noticed that the last lens is the most emotionally moving for me. The existential identity perspective is, in a certain sense, fear based. In truth, so what if you're stepped on and die, is that so bad? Who said so? The reason you can empathize is because there's a pre-existing bias of wanting to live and not wanting to suffer. Although you could take this one deeper and connect to ultimate love all the same. The beauty lens is gorgeous, but it's more about aesthetics, of marveling, at something other than yourself, though again, you could deepen it by realizing you're marveling at yourself. But the Love just penetrates right through, it needs no lofty elaboration or poetic descriptions.

That's why I love to yap about Multiplicity so much these days, it enriches life and generates insights like tree branches. 

[Eskilon]

48 minutes ago, LambdaDelta said:

1 hour ago, ExploringReality said:

@LambdaDelta

That's a very mature way of dealing with this discussion. I strive to be this patient and cool 😎 

Thanks man. It's a work in progress, ain't always easy, but there's certain benefits and principles you can derive from mystical experiences for such situations.

1. Everyone is free to have their own perspective and opinion on God, and none of them diminish or contradict God in the slightest, it's all TRUE, no matter what it is, how relatively wrong it is, absolute wrong is just not a thing.
2. Those in possession of truth do not need to debate or prove it, you may engage in some good faith discussions to a certain point, but if the signal isn't getting through save your energy and leave it be. Conceding defeat is liberating. 
3. Due to the infinite capacity of Consciousness for denial and obfuscation, if someone's unwilling to accept what you're communicating, there's nothing to be done about it, it's a hermetic seal on the mind. 
4. Your automatic egoic reaction to disagreement and conflict is still present, but over time it grows weaker and weaker till you're completely detached and are just having fun.

And look, there's no such thing as bad publicity. Usually my threads get like 2-3 replies tops, most often none, but look how this here has sprawled 

You are very mature. Incrível

[Davino]

@LambdaDelta Superb just some feedback.

Your will exposition was very good. For me the next evolution for understanding Will came in when I had it on combination with Perfection. The ultimate Will of God is for ever more Perfection. It's already perfect and hacks itself into ever more Perfection. Imagine, if life has an impulse towards evolution and improvement and so we do in our life, at least not to perish, God has this conscious Will quality in the ultimate degree which is for Perfection. From this realisation all the rest you talk about falls into its rightful place, as a derivative from God's Will to Perfection.

Regarding your points on why bad or some things must exist. I've coined the term of Absolute Impossibility, God is in a particular way, this blew my mind. Because priorly I cognised God in total unbiasedness, which is true but one can then lack the sentience and intelligence of God, which is not a middle ground. Reality being finite is for example an Absolute impossibility, the same goes with reality being dead (there's just rejuvenation) or dumb (there's intelligence in dumbness).

 

I really enjoyed the part about law and the silence of God, very eye-opening.

Favourite quotes: "If you knew the fullness of what you are, you’d die on the spot." -This is a fact. I corrobore It.

"Whatever you do, stay aware that all roads lead to God, that is the ontological fact of I AM and the highest joy." -I've abstained from sharing this realisation because it can be misinterpreted but one of the most relieving moments in my life was when my consciousness made an astronomical strange loop travelling through all its possible paths and the end result was always already GOD.

Edited Friday at 04:12 PM by Davino

[LambdaDelta]

6 hours ago, Davino said:

For me the next evolution for understanding Will came in when I had it on combination with Perfection. The ultimate Will of God is for ever more Perfection. It's already perfect and hacks itself into ever more Perfection. Imagine, if life has an impulse towards evolution and improvement and so we do in our life, at least not to perish, God has this conscious Will quality in the ultimate degree which is for Perfection. From this realisation all the rest you talk about falls into its rightful place, as a derivative from God's Will to Perfection.

Oh yes, God is always striving for more, evolution is a manifestation of his "learning curve". The perfection is the fact that it's an eternal path towards perfection, it's got no end nor beginning. God's greedy and sneaky like that. Funny to think how some of the deadly sins are warped reflections of God's attributes. Narcissism, pride, lust, greed. That's why I'm no fan of traditional static notions of nonduality, it's too boring, while God is branching out in every way imaginable as we speak. 

 

6 hours ago, Davino said:

I've coined the term of Absolute Impossibility

That one's curious, like Absolute Bad, on the one hand it's entirely FALSE because all is TRUTH, but they still have reality as conceptual overlays within the TRUTH of I AM. There are some things impossible for God, because God is total possibility, there's no room left for impossibility. In a certain sense God isn't a miracle, it's a certainty that has occupied the entirety of the probability distribution, it is the distribution. And yeah, getting to see intelligence in idiocy is a great power, for instance when I see people littering I'm conscious of how this is an intelligent unconscious survival mechanism, the ego knows deep down it is impermanent, for all its struggles to persist, so it cuts corners wherever possible. Even saving a bit of energy by not carrying the can till the garbage dump counts.