The topic of Colonialism,Neo-Colonialism and Decolonization

[Rafael Thundercat]

I dont see many on none member of this group here taking about the roots of colonialism, the genocides from the past, violence, rape,malipulation,lies,corruption enacted in th past in the very Foundation of US, the so called Puritans the were actually the Extremists from England, the Isis from those times, Anglicans, Calvinists. I dont see people here taking about how even Therapy is deeply Colonized, putting the charge over individuals subtly in the way Therapy works by ignoring the systemic forces that actually make people sick in their minds for lack of rest and then needing to pay for healing the very problems caused by the system.

If any of your follow the whole white-supremacy,neo-colonial patriarcal capitalistic rabbit whole you will see how this conect with all that is happening in Gaza,Us,Congo,Ukraine etc.. 

History is not just repeating. This is a continuation of a thread that may have started even around Anglo-Saxons, Old Irland, the people who lived in connection with Nature, Druids,Celtic people and more. This dominering,extractivist, slaverist, spirit is older than any Woke may dream. 

Anyone watched Avatar from James Cameron? Imagine the two different mentalities, one people connected with the environment, dependend and Stewarts of it, with Biofilia,respect, kinship and somehow anothers who started to see the very system they live and are part with as a dumb material thing that they can exploit with no restriction, including their own peers as slaves. Landlords of cattle and people. 

I am making a bad summary of course. If you go study you will find even this in Old Dynasties, in india for example. Caste System where Bhramins on top and Dalits as the feet. 

Systems of Dominance is deep topic. I wish more here could share about it and its ramifications. 

It takes time to see how even my own mind was conditioned to see atrocities as something normal. Not explicit ones like Gaza situation

This as a example of one person bringing awareness to the obvious 

 

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

 

If any of your follow the whole white-supremacy,neo-colonial patriarcal capitalistic rabbit 

 

Gosh all of the buzz words eh?

[Scholar]

White colonialism is a racist term, given that whiteness is an entirely constructed notion.

[Rafael Thundercat]

 

[Twentyfirst]

White Europeans are the origins of colonization but now it's mostly just Western countries regardless of race, color, political affiliation. But there are some decolonizers in the west and there are some colonizers in the east but mostly it's the west still doing colonization in violent and non violent ways and the global south being colonized. The West needs to de colonizer and the rest of the world needs to de colonize. 95% won't understand it on this forum though because they have a root belief that all power functions in the same way so if you leave everyone up to their own devices they will also naturally land in the colonizer role which just isn't true but thats the root belief that keeps them from seeing the whole picture. In reality there is something in the orgins, psyche, or way of govt/culture inside the white europeans or now western countries that is linked with superiority and creates a colonizer mindset 

Edited yesterday at 02:22 PM by Twentyfirst

[Scholar]

Just now, Twentyfirst said:

White Europeans are the origins of colonization but now it's mostly just Western countries regardless of race, color, political affiliation. But there are some decolonizers in the west and there are some colonizers in the east but mostly it's the west still doing colonization in violent and non violent ways and the global south being colonized. The West needs to de colonizer and the rest of the world needs to de colonize. 95% won't understand it on this forum though because they have a root belief that all power functions in the same way so if you leave everyone up to their own devices they will also naturally land in the colonizer role which just isn't true but thats the root belief that keeps them from seeing the whole picture 

This is racist. There is no such thing as "White Europeans", By virtue of generalizing them this way you are engaging in an act of generalizing individuals by literally the color of their skin. This isn't even what race is. The slavs for example were considered subhuman by both the anglosaxons and various other "white" groups. Even the celts considered the slavic people as subhuman for a significant peroid of time.

And there is various ethnic groups in europe that have white skin color that obviously cannot be generalized into "Whiteness" in any meaningful sense of the term other than being victims of Roman or Judeo-Christian imperialism.

 

The reality is that imperialism expands itself through identity. The South Americans were imperialistic, Asians were imperialistc, the mediterraneans were very imperialistic. Imperialism can be found viritually everywhere historically speaking.

Whiteness is a very modern, american notion that is completely divorced from the history of colonization. Colonizers didn't consider themselves "white", but whatever their ethnic group was. They considered themselves superior.

Just like the Han Chinese today view themselves as a superior racial group. They don't think all asians are like them. They don't even think all chinese people are like them. Superiority thinking is not reducable to this very specific and simplistic american view of blackness and whiteness.

 

[Rafael Thundercat]

29 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Whiteness is a very modern, american notion that is completely divorced from the history of colonization. Colonizers didn't consider themselves "white", but whatever their ethnic group was. They considered themselves superior.

Read the Book "Caste" by Isabel Wilkerson and then come to say this same thing you said here. Segregation by Color is very deep in Colonization. Research deeper

[Twentyfirst]

59 minutes ago, Scholar said:

This is racist. There is no such thing as "White Europeans", By virtue of generalizing them this way you are engaging in an act of generalizing individuals by literally the color of their skin. This isn't even what race is. The slavs for example were considered subhuman by both the anglosaxons and various other "white" groups. Even the celts considered the slavic people as subhuman for a significant peroid of time.

And there is various ethnic groups in europe that have white skin color that obviously cannot be generalized into "Whiteness" in any meaningful sense of the term other than being victims of Roman or Judeo-Christian imperialism.

 

The reality is that imperialism expands itself through identity. The South Americans were imperialistic, Asians were imperialistc, the mediterraneans were very imperialistic. Imperialism can be found viritually everywhere historically speaking.

Whiteness is a very modern, american notion that is completely divorced from the history of colonization. Colonizers didn't consider themselves "white", but whatever their ethnic group was. They considered themselves superior.

Just like the Han Chinese today view themselves as a superior racial group. They don't think all asians are like them. They don't even think all chinese people are like them. Superiority thinking is not reducable to this very specific and simplistic american view of blackness and whiteness.

 

I'm talking specifically about white europeans though. I am not talking about South Americans, asians, mediterraneans, or Han Chinese. I guess call it anglo Saxon then. I don't know what your point is though. Are you saying that white people come from africa and black people come from europe? Obviously white people originated from Europe

To bring up other identities is exactly proving my point. You think that power functions in the same way regardless of identity or civilization. I think now the problem isn't white people but western civilization as a whole

Edited yesterday at 03:26 PM by Twentyfirst

[Hojo]

Colonialism is forming current reality. It has beauty but its doing something very not right and exterminating natives from their land. I do beleive God has an original species that he designated land for them to live on. They are like the original human robots of Earth, without white people they would have 0 self identity and  souls would just come here to experience a human robot be able to experience things separate from themselves like it was made for. Colonialism might be a tool God made to advance the species into the next iteration of Earth.

Colonialism has stuck its dick into every country and religion on the planet. Every single being on the planet feels its presence, even other species of aliens looking on the Earth could see it.

Edited yesterday at 04:09 PM by Hojo

[zazen]

3 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

In reality there is something in the orgins, psyche, or way of govt/culture inside the white europeans or now western countries that is linked with superiority and creates a colonizer mindset

The cultural DNA of the West is rooted in an environment of historical scarcity - cold climates, limited fertile land, and harsh survival conditions. Those pressures created a psyche oriented toward expansion, conquest, and extraction. Violence, hierarchy, and the glorification of strength became core values in Pagan Europe.

From the Middle east, Christianity entered Europe as a radically different ethos centered on humility, compassion and self-restraint. Christianity spread in the West, but was absorbed into the existing warrior ethos, repurposed to justify empire and crusade rather than to dismantle their drive for domination. This is where Nietzche talks about the tension between master morality (pagan) vs slave morality (Christian).

 Despite technological progress and surface level cultural shifts, the underlying ethos of the West remains continuous. Colonialism, industrial capitalism, or modern neoliberal globalization - are all frontier seeking, resource obsessed mindsets. The form changes but the psychology remains: always reaching outward to possess what is lacking inward.

There's a reason why the Communist revolution took root in Russia and spread more readily in parts of the non-Western world, despite its origins in Europe through Marx. For Confucian / Buddhist valued Chinese and Vietnamese, it wasn't as alien for them to share resources. Communism didn't take off in Islamic society despite them having a communal orientation because Islam already systematized social justice and distribution, divinely through God - which Communism rejected.

Russia wasn’t as heavily defined by the same resource scarce psychology as Western Europe - though it had an access issue due to its vastness. Communal distribution was much more embedded in their culture (mir system) vs feudal structures in Europe. No wonder the Western psyche rejected communism so viscerally when looking at the backdrop from where they came - and why even till today - they reject the state as a antidote to what free market capitalism is unable to achieve.

This is why Trump and MAGA are deferring to capital (through coercive tariffs) to solve what the state should do - that is invest to create a ecosystem of industrialization and development for its people.  They want capital to fix what capital ruined in the first place. The US is waiting for capital to lead a revival, when it was capital that walked away in the first place - how absurd. The only viable solution to the pain populists are reacting to is the one thing they’re cultural DNA rejects: the state stepping in to re-distribute resources among the community / citizens. 

Side note: Communism is a failed system, it's the other extreme of capitalism. In trying to escape scarcity, it creates man-made scarcity by eliminating capitalist mechanisms.

Edited yesterday at 06:08 PM by zazen

[Rafael Thundercat]

2 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

Obviously white people originated from Europe

AI help here.:

Caucasian" is a term, often considered outdated, that historically referred to people of European, Middle Eastern, or North African descent, particularly those with lighter skin pigmentation, and was based on a now-disproven theory of biological race. 

Here's a more detailed explanation:

• Modern Usage:

  While the term "Caucasian" is still sometimes used, especially in the US, to describe people of European, Middle Eastern, or North African ancestry, its use is increasingly discouraged due to its historical roots in racial classification and its potential to perpetuate harmful stereotypes. 

• Alternative Terms:

  More accurate and preferred terms include "White," "European," or specifying the person's national or ethnic origin (e.g., "Italian," "German," "Irish"). 

• The Caucasus Region:

  The Caucasus is a region between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea, encompassing countries like Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia, and parts of Russia. 

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  The Caucasus region is home to a variety of ethnic groups and languages, and the term "Caucasian" should not be used as a blanket term for the people of the Caucasus region. 

• Historical Context:

  The term "Caucasian" originated in the 18th century from a German anthropologist, Johann Friedrich Blumenbach, who proposed that the "white" race originated in the Caucasus Mountains. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Hojo said:

Colonialism might be a tool God made to advance the species into the next iteration of Earth

This very twisted way of thinking is exactly what decolonialism aims to dismantle. The lack of recongnition of the damage is so big that Colonizers ( and their decesndands) use this Superiority and the Doctrine of Discovery as a excusse and even as a shield to not look to the atrocities they did and ate still doing. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

@zazen thank you. This bit helped me to connect some dots. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

@zazen in the video you shared the YouTuber talks about Iliad.

This one I was watching today touches the same topic. Add this Astrological Eras into the Understanding of Spiral Dynamics. 

You must know that the work of Formscapes is based on the work of Jean Gebser "The Ever Present Origin "

In this Case Iliad is located in the Aries Age (Mars Fiery Energy) sacrificial, impulsive,Warrior) could be something as Stage Red. 

For me Understanding of colonialism,slavery,Imperialism,Capitalism,Debt, shifts on World views are all connected. There was a time where people use to pack ships with Africans and trade then to Farmers in America. In Timeline this was basicaly yesterday. So is for me crazy people dont get interested on how could it be? And to learn about it, because we as collective are being driven by this conditioning. Even after many awakenings for the Oneness of all I still have subtle behaviors that for me are small traces of colonial,domination mentality. The subconcious currents are powerfull and if people dont bring it to ligth they enact it again and again. Thus we have Trump,Maga,etc... this is a sign that inner work is not being done. 

[Twentyfirst]

3 hours ago, Hojo said:

Colonialism is forming current reality. It has beauty but its doing something very not right and exterminating natives from their land. I do beleive God has an original species that he designated land for them to live on. They are like the original human robots of Earth, without white people they would have 0 self identity and  souls would just come here to experience a human robot be able to experience things separate from themselves like it was made for. Colonialism might be a tool God made to advance the species into the next iteration of Earth.

Colonialism has stuck its dick into every country and religion on the planet. Every single being on the planet feels its presence, even other species of aliens looking on the Earth could see it.

You can form reality or evolve without being colonial

[Rafael Thundercat]

People are praying to change like this: 

"

Impeach & Remove: Trump 
Impeach & Remove: Vance 
Remove: Mike Johnson & Stephen Miller
Charge: Elon, Hegseth, Waltz and everyone else in the DOGE/Signal brigade 

Bring back reality. Bring back morality. Bring back the justice system. Bring back the stock market. Bring back positive international relations. Bring back people’s federal careers. Bring back history. Bring back books. Bring back diversity. Bring back empathy."

-Post from someone on social Media-

A wise Influencer with deep understanding of the colonial structure of things answers:

"We will never come out of this on the right side of history if we don’t have a massive Nuremberg type nationwide trial for every collaborator and instigator and operator and minion in this regime. 

We will also never full recover and heal as a nation until we have the long overdue national truth and reconciliation and reckoning of the truth and our past. The detox off the poisonous mindsets, cultural dna and perverse influence of the various ideologies and amplifiers onto the national psyche." 

What we are facing is Historical,Political,Cultural,Ideological,Genocidal,Structural. We will not get out of it with Vibes only and Individual awakenings. Yes, Individual work have its importance, but in the social realms things dont change, no matter how God Realized you are. 

Edited yesterday at 07:46 PM by Rafael Thundercat

[Rafael Thundercat]

This topic is so prevalent that even in the video about NeoNazis posted by Leo you can see the historical influences. See: Texas was where lot of this began. KKK? Why? Someone remember Jim Crow times? Segregation? Civil War, South vs North. The Supremacists dont like to lose, the colonials came from far to dominate and Win. Identity play a role here cause Survival play a role here, Belonging is Survival, is Monkey Games with human Narrative. You dont see monkeys Recruiting? But you see that Monkey care about Females and by being accepted by the Group. So if the Group Rape,Slave and are for Domination and Exploitation, will be difficult to oppose. Of course you can oppouse that you will be Out-Casted 

Caste, Class, Status.

 

[Scholar]

5 hours ago, Twentyfirst said:

I'm talking specifically about white europeans though. I am not talking about South Americans, asians, mediterraneans, or Han Chinese. I guess call it anglo Saxon then. I don't know what your point is though. Are you saying that white people come from africa and black people come from europe? Obviously white people originated from Europe

To bring up other identities is exactly proving my point. You think that power functions in the same way regardless of identity or civilization. I think now the problem isn't white people but western civilization as a whole

There is no such thing as "White people", that's a racist notion. There are several ethnic groups in europe that have white skin color, many of them had zero to do with colonialization and in fact were victims of imperialism.

There is no such thing as a "white european identity", that's an american concept.

[Rafael Thundercat]

27 minutes ago, Scholar said:

There is no such thing as "White people", that's a racist notion. There are several ethnic groups in europe that have white skin color, many of them had zero to do with colonialization and in fact were victims of imperialism.

There is no such thing as a "white european identity", that's an american concept.

Yes, Irish people suffered Colonialism, Oppression,Genocide both physical and Cultural by the hands of the English. Yes, being White dont make one immediately Supremacist,Colonial,Genocidal,Neo-Capitslist,Patriarchal,Imperialist. True, but also true that the most damage was enacted by men and women with white skin against men and woman and children with black skin. Dont you read history?

[Scholar]

8 minutes ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Yes, Irish people suffered Colonialism, Oppression,Genocide both physical and Cultural by the hands of the English. Yes, being White dont make one immediately Supremacist,Colonial,Genocidal,Neo-Capitslist,Patriarchal,Imperialist. True, but also true that the most damage was enacted by men and women with white skin against men and woman and children with black skin. Dont you read history?

What is racist about this is that you attribute all the buzzwards above to the color of someones skin. You are literally using an immutable characteristic of several groups of people, many of which have been victims of all of the above, to justify a generalization about human beings.

If most rapists were black, it wouldn't make it any less racist to talk about rape being a "black" phenomena. 

 

Being white doesn't make one ANYTHING. It is only in your racist, indocrinated head that the color of someone skin is in any shape or form relevant to anything other than describing the mind of a racist, which you are.

 

You are just describing how you come to your racism. It's like you simply fundamentally lack the ability to comprehend what racism is and why it is irrational, immature and evil.

 

 

Why are you focusing and making this about skin color? Where do you think the term "slave" comes from in the first place? Who do you think, for hundreds of years, ran the greatest slave trades in the world? Again, you can't justify your racism with racism, that's assinine.

Edited 23 hours ago by Scholar