Russell Brand Charged With Rape In UK

[carterfelder]

5 minutes ago, MsNobody said:

@carterfelder honey if you want to idolize and defend famous men after clear evidence of a crime, who am I to stop you? 

Men who idolize and are crazy about celebrities and politics are not my thing, they turn me off big time. But you seem to be all in, you do you boo 😊

I've always found Brand to be obnoxious, but he is human, and I do my best to assume innocence until it's proven otherwise in court. For example, I haven't read deeply enough into the Puff Daddy case, but if I had a gun to my head I would say he's guilty. Otherwise, even for Punani Diddy, I support his right to defend himself in court.

[MsNobody]

@Lyubov the energy is the same. What are you suggesting? That the current law be changed? To leave more space for more rape to happen? 
 

It took decades for women to have rights, and there is more ground to go, but you in your righteous mind think that your way is, somehow, the best way, because you are a man. It surprises me how men are unable to put themselves in other people’s shoes, and are also unable to see their self deception.

At the same time t’s understandable because even as a woman I’m still peeling layers of patriarchy, for men I suppose it’s 100x more difficult. But see how I can step into men shoes? 
 

I know many men lack compassion, so I ask you to think that for one day you are a woman, with a man that you know and date. So one day he is angry because he got fired from work, and he tries to have sex with you because he needs to let go of his pain, he needs to distract himself, so he wants to use you, and you after feeling all the heavy energy, decided that it’s better not to do anything in that mindset, you don’t feel like having sex so you say no, but because he is bigger, more powerful, he decides that you don’t get to say no, that you are his possession, in the end you are just a woman, weaker than him and he needs someone just like that to process his feelings, and everyone knows that woman are less than men, so your partner gets to do whatever he wants to you without any guilt, because in the end you are not strangers, you have a relationship, so your partner who is bigger than you, forces himself onto you, you try to yell but he shuts your mouth, you didn’t want that, but he does it anyway, your whole body tenses up and you freeze in shock, while he keeps on going and enjoys a little fun with his little inanimate toy, and he puts all the load of his anger and darkness on you. Was it enjoyable for you? Do you still think the the law should be more flexible because in the end it was two people that knew each other? 
 

When you defend a man like that there are two things that come to my mind: you are the type of guy who would do something like that and part of you admires Russell, OR you are very ignorant about the capacity for ignorance and darkness of most men. I hope it’s the latest. 

Edited yesterday at 04:59 PM by MsNobody

[MsNobody]

@carterfelder well if you went deep into studying humans, you’ve probably noticed that we are capable of really dark things.
 

When dealing with men I try to think that they are guilty until proven wrong. After being raped and exposed to pedophiles growing up, I think it’s just something that you learn, you know? 

I understand you tho, it’s better to be in denial because then you don’t need to deal with it. It’s emotionally easier. 

[Elliott]

53 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

This is what that poster meant earlier in the thread. Date rape is very common and should be called something else or not compared to violent assaults. 99% of rapes  aren’t just guys running around attacking and assaulting women everywhere. Something will start out consensual and then the guy will be pushy and in a very narrow masculine / dominating frame and the woman will feel rushed cause women get turned off when they feel easy. I wonder why this topic is so highly contested and almost like walking on egg shells? Why is there this inherent dynamic present in sex? It’s because there is a baked in element of masculine overcoming and dominating the feminine when it comes to sex. Forcing its will on the feminine. Post modern liberal mind doesn’t like to recognize stuff like this and tries to hush it up. So in this sense I wouldn’t call Russel Brand some violent rapist but yeah he definitely is corrupted and wasn’t conscientious enough to look after his partners when having sex. It’s a fine line between being conscientious and looking after how a woman feels vs taking what you want which paradoxically is what turns women on. We should be treating date rape and violent rapes as separate things, have different words for them and discuss them differently because roping them all together in a way does sort of makes it difficult to have an honest discussion on what sex is, what turns people on, why sex is the way it is and why dynamics are the way they are. Liberals want to impose their ideals onto the dynamics of reality. And there are liberals who would see so closed minded and “triggered” by my post here they would say “why are you excusing rape.” This whole way of discussing things will not make sex more conscious for humans, its shined some light on some issues but we need to inquire further and stop imposing ideals on these dynamics. 

I'll at least bite for discussion.

I explicitly ask if they want to have sex. I wouldn't want to sleep with a girl that's been drinking, myself, but I'm not going to denounce that. What the fuck are you talking about, does sex happen like pornos for you? You don't push a girl into sex, we hear it all the time, I can't believe people still don't listen, women are physically scared of men,  not just MMA fighters, normal men.

Edited yesterday at 05:12 PM by Elliott

[MsNobody]

@carterfelder you haven’t read deeply because you know what you will find, part of you doesn’t want to deal with it.
 

It’s like watching a commercial about the kids in Africa, with their bones glued to the skin because of starvation, but let’s skip this part and go back to watching our show, right? Let’s not look at it. 

[carterfelder]

No, I'm just not so deep in my emotions because I value critical thinking and actual justice.

[MsNobody]

@carterfelder whatever rocks your boat, if logical thinking has served you well, good for you  

But maybe don’t call it justice? 

I’m just glad he is being charged and the judge is not a man like you, a person totally detached from his (and others) feelings. Notice that your compassion only extends to men, and not to women. I would bet your relationship with women is bad. 
 

Consciousness expansion means your level of awareness embraces all, not only yourself, it means you are able to think of others beyond yourself, it does not mean thar your ego gets bigger, and that men are better and can do whatever they want, including stepping on women. 

[Princess Arabia]

38 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Date rape is very common and should be called something else or not compared to violent assaults. 99% of rapes  aren’t just guys running around attacking and assaulting women everywhere. Something will start out consensual and then the guy will be pushy and in a very narrow masculine / dominating frame and the woman will feel rushed cause women get turned off when they feel easy.

I guess it should be called second or third degree rape; maybe rapeslaughter (as in manslaughter). Feeling rushed and getting turned off is different from a guy actually having sex with you without your consent. What you've described there is merely a situation and circumstance not actually rape. 

 

45 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Why is there this inherent dynamic present in sex? It’s because there is a baked in element of masculine overcoming and dominating the feminine when it comes to sex. Forcing its will on the feminine.

This is not about sex, it's about committing a sexual crime. Stealing someone's wallet because you want to buy food isn't forcing your will to buy food on someone, it's called stealing. Forcing it's will on the feminine by raping her isn't just merely forcing your will on the feminine, it's called raping the feminine if the sexual act did actually occur.

 

50 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

Post modern liberal mind doesn’t like to recognize stuff like this and tries to hush it up.

This isn't about a liberal mind, it's about a crime that took place regardless of the mindset.

 

52 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

We should be treating date rape and violent rapes as separate things, have different words for them and discuss them differently because roping them all together in a way does sort of makes it difficult to have an honest discussion on what sex is,

Murdering someone by gun VS poison is still murder. Date rape VS violent rape is still rape if the former was still not consensual. Different words for murder is still murder. Discussing them differently? Or charging them differently? Honest discussion on what rape is, you mean.

 

57 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

what turns people on,

Different discussion. Doesn't apply here.

 

58 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

why sex is the way it is and why dynamics are the way they are.

Same, different discussion. Change the word sex to rape. That's what we're discussing.

 

1 hour ago, Lyubov said:

And there are liberals who would see so closed minded and “triggered” by my post here they would say “why are you excusing rape.”

You're not excusing rape; you're confusing it with sex. If i tied you up and shoved some food down your throat that you didn't ask for or didn't want to eat, would you consider that eating food? No, that's assault by food or if i put you on a bicycle and pushed you down the road, is that considered you riding a bicycle, no, it's considered me pushing me down the road using a bike. It's not sex, it's assault by sex. 

[carterfelder]

3 minutes ago, MsNobody said:

@carterfelder whatever rocks your boat, if logical thinking has served you well, good for you  

But maybe don’t call it justice? 

I’m just glad he is being charged and the judge is not a man like you, a person totally detached from his (and others) feelings. Notice that your compassion only extends to men, and not to women. I would bet your relationship with women is bad. 
 

Consciousness expansion means your level of awareness embraces all, not only yourself, it means you are able to think of others beyond yourself, it does not mean thar your ego gets bigger, and that men are better and can do whatever they want, including stepping on women. 

We shouldn't make assumptions, especially about people we've never met. But then again, if we run off of our emotions, that's what tends to happen.

[Princess Arabia]

47 minutes ago, carterfelder said:

I've always found Brand to be obnoxious, but he is human

 

47 minutes ago, carterfelder said:

I haven't read deeply enough into the Puff Daddy case, but if I had a gun to my head I would say he's guilty.

I guess Puff isn't human. Such bias. Of course. Why not. I won't even say it.

[Elliott]

On 3/28/2025 at 7:18 PM, carterfelder said:

I'm sorry this is slightly off-topic, but I honestly cannot understand why people dislike Israel. What in the world are they supposed to do when there is a horrible terrorist group made up of men who were raised to be sociopaths who will do anything to destroy Israel and harm its people.

Is this not an assumption about Palestinians, not every Palestinian participated in the October 7th attack, only a few did actually.

[MsNobody]

@carterfelder you said it yourself, Russell is obnoxious, but I understand you don’t have the courage or capacity to look deeply into it and I respect your limitations. 

[Aaron p]

1 hour ago, MsNobody said:

When you defend a man like that there are two things that come to my mind: you are the type of guy who would do something like that

So now, even before any proof has been examined by a court, all men who appear to defend Russel are "the type of guy that would do something like that." Your saying that anyone who defends him, are likely to be rapists themselves...

1 hour ago, MsNobody said:

you are very ignorant about the capacity for ignorance and darkness of most men.

...so your saying that "most men" (by this I assume you mean over 50% of the males that exist on the planet) should be seen as potential rapists and or paedophiles...

1 hour ago, Elliott said:

I'll at least bite for discussion.

 

I explicitly ask if they want to have sex. I wouldn't want to sleep with a drunk girl myself, but I'm not going to denounce that. What the fuck are you talking about, does sex happen like pornos for you? You don't push a girl into sex, we hear it all the time, I can't believe people still don't listen, women are physically scared of men,  not just MMA fighters, normal men.

 

They're scared of men because certain demographics of people have encouraged the media to stigmatize young horny guys to the point where teenagers are being called dangerous paedophiles and men who can't read body language are being reported as being violent rapists. Females are scared because of the exacerbation of ideas that are made to sound as bad as possible to cause as much destruction and emotional upheaval as possible.

1 hour ago, MsNobody said:

After being raped and exposed to pedophiles growing up, I think it’s just something that you learn, you know?

 

This is obviously very tragic and I'm very sorry for that having happened to you. However you need to recognize that we are not defending violent offenders... In fact we're not defending any offenders. We are simply using intelligence to gain insight into how the media takes the most Extreme cases and makes all men out to be equally monstrous... Including the teenager who has sex with his girlfriend after she has had two glasses of wine. 

 

We are not for a single moment undermining the traumatic gravity of your situation. We are simply trying to be mindful of the aspects and details of this area of law enforcement that are too extreme and that paint with two broad a brush... Tarring all "perpetrators" with the same brush. 

 

It's to the point where if someone is called a rapist, this could mean that they were a teenager who had consensual sex with his girlfriend after she had two glasses of wine and couldn't read body language and she never actually said no verbally...and a 70 year old who abducts a young girl and is extremely physically violent while forcing her to into sex in the back of his van at knife point. 

 

We are simply saying that these terms need to be more specific and that there are many degrees of offence. And that it would be more beneficial to introduce terms and labels that are more specific, giving a more contextually accurate background of each situation. 

 

And what people need to be reminded of is that they need to be mindful of how out of control their emotions can make them, fueled by stigmatized and emotionally charged terms like "sexual battery"... Which could be something as simple as a kiss that is incorrectly timed.

Edited yesterday at 06:35 PM by Aaron p

[MsNobody]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

I'm sorry this is slightly off-topic, but I honestly cannot understand why people dislike Israel. What in the world are they supposed to do when there is a horrible terrorist group made up of men who were raised to be sociopaths who will do anything to destroy Israel and harm its people.

What about asking the root cause of why those men became sociopaths? If you were put in that place you would act just like them. But again, your limitations.. it’s important to see that people have only certain capacity for dealing with reality. 

[Aaron p]

Don't know what's happened with the lines

 

[MsNobody]

@Aaron p we can’t read your message Aaron, but anyways you lost me when you referred to women as females lol 

[Lyubov]

I'm not excusing men mistreating women and I do agree it is wrong to not be conscientious of your partner. I'm just calling attention to a very counter intuitive dynamic that is seems to be a part of sex and why this dynamic seems to be so regularly overlooked or ignored. The same force that makes a women want a man is the same force that makes a woman feel used or assaulted by a man, and this dynamic isn't entirely governed by reason. I am not hand waving away men not thinking of others to the great expense of their partner. I think we all can allow ourselves to be kinder.

Edited yesterday at 05:50 PM by Lyubov

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Lyubov said:

I'm not excusing men mistreating women and I do agree it is wrong to not be conscientious of your partner. I'm just calling attention to a very counter intuitive dynamic that seems to be a part of sex and why this issue seems to be so regularly overlooked. The same force that makes a women want a man is the same force that makes a woman feel used or assaulted by a man, and this dynamic isn't entirely governed by reason. I am not hand waving away men not thinking of others to the great expense of their partner. 

No. Women like men that make them feel safe and respected. You're referring to women dealing with psychological issues.

[Elliott]

16 minutes ago, Aaron p said:

 

They're scared of men because toxic third wave feminists have encouraged the media to stigmatize young horny guys to the point where teenagers are being called dangerous paedophiles and men who can't read body language are being reported as being violent rapists. Females are scared because of the exacerbation of ideas that are made to sound as bad as possible to cause as much destruction and emotional upheaval as possible.

I see no validity in this.

The women here, both, I think have stated they've been assaulted.

My comment isn't just about rape, they're scared of men physically.

[carterfelder]

24 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

 

I guess Puff isn't human. Such bias. Of course. Why not. I won't even say it.

Arabia, a gun was to my head. My point was that I was being forced to judge his case within seconds.