Russell Brand Charged With Rape In UK

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Scholar said:

You are moving the goalpost.

No. You are moving goalposts. The goalpost is always a sense of justice. Law merely serves that end but does not circumscribe it.

[Scholar]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

No. You are moving goalposts. The goalpost is always a sense of justice. Law merely serves that end but does not circumscribe it.

Ah yes, moving the substance of a conversation into a meaningless repetition of a truism.

You literally are saying nothing of meaning here, do you even realize that? Nothing of value was provided to the discussion.

[Leo Gura]

@Scholar Sigh...

[Scholar]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Scholar Sigh...

The problem here is that I was making a point about the limitations around vigilantism and why it is unproductive and harmful, and you came in to state a truism that "Perceived injustice leads to uproar".

This contends with absolutely nothing. It just describes what is happening with the implicit validation of that thing. Yes, I understand that if a vegan goes on a terrorist killing spree of meat-eaters, that this will be because of injustice. It doesn't make it any less irrational and harmful.

 

I never claimed that #MeToo wasn't because of injustice or that it wasn't important, I was specifically speaking to a person on this forum who was justifying to himself vigilantism, which you implicitly condoned by responding to me with the truism you stated. "Well it happens for a reason."

Yes everything happens for a reason. Nazi germany happened for a reason, it happened for this exact reason in fact, perceived and partially real injustice.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 02:10 PM by Scholar

[Emerald]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Emerald Well said.

Thanks

[integral]

5 hours ago, Emerald said:

With rape fantasies, there's this interesting dynamic of imagining a really extreme scenario of feeling totally stripped of agency, vulnerable, and out of control whilst actually being 100% in control and invulnerable.

So... it's like safely enjoying a fantasy of being unsafe... while the mind is the puppet-master of the entire fantasy. Or if you have a trusted partner to orchestrate it, it's even more effective because of the lack of predictability and the ability to relinquish even more control.

So, what she said about it being a control issue in reverse is most certainly true as well. And it definitely needs the backdrop of safety to work.

But to your point about the Feminine nature, a rape fantasy combines the surrender and relaxation that's only possible with safety... with a really extreme imagined or orchestrated scenario of domination, violation, objectification, and a total loss of agency and power.

And that fantasy tends to be effective at stripping back layers of day-to-day emotional insulation and armoring to reveal a softer and more vulnerable emotional underbelly and feelings of exposure... which increases physical and emotional sensitivity and opens up to a more subtle and nuanced awareness of feeling.

And because of this increased sensitivity, the violation dynamic of the fantasy scrapes itself against that rawness, bathing you in a mixture of painful and pleasurable feelings that blend seamlessly together to where there is no sense of where pain ends and pleasure begins.

And there's the loss of the burden of basic human responsibility associated with extreme objectification as well as vulnerability, softness, surrender, letting go in the face of powerlessness, and unconditional receptivity and responsiveness to forces from the outside world. And there's also disgust, pain, sadness, and fear that are mixed in with that cocktail of pleasant emotions.

So, it's like the chocolate of emotions... sweetness and bitterness combined.

And on a more sublime level, this unconditional receptivity to the violation mirrors the powerlessness to stop the passage of time and the forces of nature to take us into entropy. Such a deep surrender is very death-like in that way, so there is an ecstasy about it.

And this is a way to get in touch with the Feminine, which is to be and feel alive... and therefore very in touch with human fragility as that is what it means to feel alive.

And physically, all of this makes it a lot more easy for sexual energy to flow through the body and to reach a climax.

Then, if you orchestrate it with a trusted intimate partner... you also get to feel a vicarious satisfaction for his pleasure and to feel the strength deferential in action... which is thrilling.

But there is also a subtle reversal of the domination dynamic woven right into the fantasy. Like Femininity and beauty is his kryptonite and his instincts are so strong and powerful that he is weak agains them and has no choice but to surrender... to the point of committing a crime. It's even better if you can see the conflict play out in his facial expressions.

Ultimately, the rape fantasy is just a vehicle to bring you more in touch with the Feminine which is surrender, receptivity, emotional sensitivity, permeability, physicality, softness, and being.

Make more videos like this and you’ll double your business overnight. 💯

[Emerald]

4 hours ago, mmKay said:

Take this message as a sign to inmediately start writing a book on the subject;) cashapp me half a mill in a few years
The intersection between Spirituallity and Sexuallity can be a billion dollar industry if not much more, and is a beautiful gateway drug into consciousness work 

And I'm not even going to mention the mind-blowing erotic novels you could write with that level of accurrate understanding of the Femenine. Just crappy 50 shades of gray made 1.3 billion

One single book would give you a mouth foaming cult-like fanbase.

I'm sure I could go in that direction if I wanted to.

Not to ring my own bell, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who has explored Femininity and sexuality as deeply as I have... as it's a very difficult process in its own rite because it brings you right up against questions and collective psycho-sexual dynamics that are very dangerous to your being and your sense of self as a woman.

So, the dynamic tends to be that men will explore as deeply into sexuality as the feel empowered by... which is like 3 layers deep with regard to human sexuality. And I call layer 3 that men often get stuck in as "the Tepid Place" because it is how it feels to be there as a woman.

But in the Tepid Place, it really emphasize the power deferential of Masculine over Feminine. And this will get glommed onto especially by men who feel very powerless to women.

And women generally will tend to avoid exploring the topic more deeply altogether because the Tepid Place feels as (and truly can be) a real impediment to personal power... especially those who have had men stuck in the Tepid Place try to lord themselves over them and claim a misplaced sense of superiority because of the superiority that does truly exist from the vantage point of the frame of the Tepid Place.

So, exploring this dynamic as a woman is like lowering yourself down in a deep collective Feminine wound that has been affecting men and women for many millennia. 

So, the average woman gets stuck on the surface... and the average man gets stuck on level 3. And this gives a lot of men this sense of "Haha! I understand the Feminine better than women do."

But there are so many deeper layers to this dynamic... hundreds of dimensions. And there's so much that people don't understand. But the Feminine has been so deeply repressed that they crave the Feminine... but few are willing to swim into the psycho-sexual wound to access it.

And once you begin exploring this as a woman, there is no way to come to peace with it until you get to the very bottom of it and pass all the way through the innards of the Leviathan of your own sexuality, personal sovereignty, and power.

Edited 21 hours ago by Emerald

[Emerald]

2 minutes ago, integral said:

Make more videos like this and you’ll double your business overnight. 💯

Thank you! I'm sure I could. I have tons of insights to share on the topic as Feminine reintegration has been at the core of my inner work between age 19 and 30. But I wouldn't want my thing to relate too much to sexuality as there are so many other facets of humanity that interest me.

And my focus at this juncture is helping people use Shadow Work to overcome the dynamics that block them from what they really want.

[Emerald]

3 hours ago, MsNobody said:

@Emerald wow, that was a quite refreshing to read after the sick comments in the thread. Beautifully said. 

Thank you  

[Soul_Guy]

4 hours ago, Emerald said:

I'm sure I could go in that direction if I wanted to.

Not to ring my own bell, but I think you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who has explored Femininity and sexuality as deeply as I have... as it's a very difficult process in its own rite because it brings you right up against questions and collective psycho-sexual dynamics that are very dangerous to your being and your sense of self as a woman.

So, the dynamic tends to be that men will explore as deeply into sexuality as the feel empowered by... which is like 3 layers deep with regard to human sexuality. And I call layer 3 that men often get stuck in as "the Tepid Place" because it is how it feels to be there as a woman.

But in the Tepid Place, it really emphasize the power deferential of Masculine over Feminine. And this will get glommed onto especially by men who feel very powerless to women.

And women generally will tend to avoid exploring the topic more deeply altogether because the Tepid Place feels as (and truly can be) a real impediment to personal power... especially those who have had men stuck in the Tepid Place try to lord themselves over them and claim a misplaced sense of superiority because of the superiority that does truly exist from the vantage point of the frame of the Tepid Place.

So, exploring this dynamic as a woman is like lowering yourself down in a deep collective Feminine wound that has been affecting men and women for many millennia. 

So, the average woman gets stuck on the surface... and the average man gets stuck on level 3. And this gives a lot of men this sense of "Haha! I understand the Feminine better than women do."

But there are so many deeper layers to this dynamic... hundreds of dimensions. And there's so much that people don't understand. But the Feminine has been so deeply repressed that they crave the Feminine... but few are willing to swim into the psycho-sexual wound to access it.

And once you begin exploring this as a woman, there is no way to come to peace with it until you get to the very bottom of it and pass all the way through the innards of the Leviathan of your own sexuality, personal sovereignty, and power.

Could you describe more about what is below the Tepid Place?

[Emerald]

57 minutes ago, Soul_Guy said:

Could you describe more about what is below the Tepid Place?

That's a very broad topic that requires a deep personal exploration to understand.

If I describe it in a nutshell, it's what's being alluded to in the symbolism of Shiva and Shakti... a union between the Masculine and Feminine both within each partner and between each partner.

And from this place, the integration of these energies within one's self awakens one's power and one's gifts. And within a partnership, it enables a deeper bonding and relationship between partners. 

But it's easier for me to describe the Tepid Place to you. I imagine it like a musty stuffy dimly lit red cave that people get chained up inside of and addicted to because it gives little breadcrumbs of those deeper Shiva Shakti dynamics but on a lower and denigrated level.

You can feel the Tepid Place in most pornography. And many men operate off of frameworks influenced by the psycho-sexual dynamics of the Tepid Place, while women tend to resist even going there outside of sexual encounters (which are also coming from the Tepid Place as it takes quite a lot to go deeper). 

The reason why I call it the Tepid Place is because it has a lukewarm lesser analog of these deeper Masculine and Feminine dynamics, where instead of the dance between Shiva and Shakti... the Masculine dominates the Feminine from a place of resistance to the power of the Feminine within himself and within women.

And everything is reduced to pure physicality without any regard or appreciation to the spiritual dimensions of sex. And it's laced with lots of shame and is profane rather than sacred.

And within the Tepid place it's all about male pleasure and men are the subject, while women are the object.

And the Feminine is stripped of the full breadth, depth, and darkness of real Femininity and is limited to an impotent inferior position of forced submission and is seen as something that must be governed and controlled by the Masculine, while the Masculine lords over it from a place of insecurity and fear of the Feminine without awakening the Lover archetype or any kind of deeper appreciations or desires to explore the Feminine.

And most men who care about being Masculine and who want to be more Masculine have some insights about Masculine/Feminine dynamics and those insights feel empowering... so they remain in the Tepid place because it becomes a comfort zone. And that's because, in the Tepid place, the power deferential always favors the Masculine.

But the wisps of the deeper psycho-sexual and psycho-spiritual buttons are still there... which is what makes that place attractive and even addictive. 

And going there as a woman gives wisps of those deeper dynamics too... but at a cost to personal power and safety.

So, going deeper with this topic and embracing yet transcending the Tepid Place is really imperative for women to do in order to descend to the deeper layers. Resistance to the Tepid Place keeps you stuck there.

And that's why it's important to let yourself sink into it without resistance by asking yourself really difficult questions like "Am I inferior?" or "Is it the natural order that men lord their power over me?"

It's only through asking difficult questions that you can descend past that level and into the deeper dynamics.

 

[Wilhelm44]

@Emerald  This is really interesting, thank you.

With regard to relationships in general, what would you say is the essence of the collective masculine wound, and what is the essence of the collective feminine wound ?

[Emerald]

8 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

@Emerald  This is really interesting, thank you.

With regard to relationships in general, what would you say is the essence of the collective masculine wound, and what is the essence of the collective feminine wound ?

To explain, one thing must be understood. The Masculine is spiritual and the Feminine is material. So, in this regard... every single human being and creature that crawls this Earth is Feminine. (Hence the etymological similarities in the word matter, mother, material, matrix, maternal, etc.)

The collective Masculine wound is being a Feminine material being made of flesh and blood and bone... with the unrealistic expectation of being purely Masculine and God-like. And in a world that abhors the Feminine and abides in ideologies of mind over matter, this burdens boys and men with an impossible task of being God-like as a mortal man.

And when they don't reach that impossible bar (as no mortal man can be God) they feel ashamed and weak... and overwhelmed. And this causes them to hate the Feminine in themselves and in others... and to try to carve their Feminine side away from themselves and go into denial about their own Feminine material corporeal nature.... and the finiteness and limitations of their own existence.

Even most popular world religions are based on this desire to get away from and transcend Feminine physicality.

This wound comes from early adaptations to yet under-developed societal structures where the only thing that separated the human tribes and communities from the powerful all-consuming forces of Mother Nature were stone tools, animal skins, and men who had to try to be God-like dealing with really extreme survival conditions. 

And the forces of Mother Nature are Feminine... while all the technology and societal infrastructure that we develop to keep Mother Nature from devouring us is Masculine. And up until the Industrial Revolution, the story of humanity has been about polarizing into the Masculine and repressing the Feminine as much as possible to keep Mother Nature from devouring us. 

So, when the Masculine is under-developed in a society and the tech is rudimentary... this puts a LOT of pressure on the men to polarize into the Masculine as much as they can and to police, cut away, and suppress the Feminine in themselves and others... and to act as the firewall that keeps Mother Nature from devouring.

And failing at this task means that your more vulnerable loved ones suffer and die. So, this is a huge responsibility!

And huge responsibilities come with lots of power and respect within the community. While women get far less power because they are a direct reflection of Mother Nature which is what pre-industrial society is fighting against... so in this adaptation women's potentials and power are rendered inert and impotent as the 90% of the full scope of the Feminine needed to be eradicated from society to keep nature out... and only motherhood left as the essential element.

And their personhood is seen as lesser because the core survival task of under-developed societies is keeping the Feminine out of society to avoid being devoured by Mother Nature. So, women's sovereignty was stripped from them and governed by the men they were the possessions of (first father and then husband).

This is the core wound of the Feminine.... the squelching of personal power and sovereignty. 

And that whole expectation of God-like men and sovereignty-less women was highly adaptive in under-developed societies and communities where the Masculine infrastructure hasn't developed to the levels of tech that we had around the industrial revolution.

But that adaptation grows more and more obsolete over the past 100+ years as the Masculine elements of our societal infrastructure and technology come to its apex... and even become excessive.

This is the first time in human history that we are dealing with Masculine imbalance as it takes a long time for human Masculine technology to develop to a point where it's a threat to the powerful forces of Mother Nature.

Up until the past couple hundred years, the main survival concern has been "The Feminine will devour us." And now the concern is "The Masculine will burn us out."

But men have historically enjoyed extra power from being burdened by these God-like levels of responsibility for fighting the battle of man against nature.

So, even though contemporary men are in a great position that the men of the past would be so grateful to be in... many contemporary men still want the added power and respect afforded to men in under-developed societies with low levels of Masculine infrastructure.

So, they continue to burden themselves with Godlike expectations... but for arbitrary reasons that confer little to no societal benefit. This is why many men love ideas of rejecting progression and modernity. 

But despite this attachment to the wound, contemporary men are in a great position to collectively heal that Masculine wound of Feminine repression and being forced into a low power/high responsibility impossible Godlike expectation because they are no longer burdened by such tasks given the development of our societal infrastructure. So, healing comes from men integrating their Feminine (and society integrating the Feminine as a result).

But many men continue to hold onto this unrealistic expectation of Godlikeness for arbitrary reasons and they pressure other men to do the same... which prolongs the healing of that wound. And it prolongs the healing of the Feminine wound as well, because the Masculine wound is about suppression of and hatred of the Feminine.

So, men who hold onto the wound as a source of power prolong the healing for both men and women and keep us from moving forward towards more adaptive, integrated, and developed expressions of Masculinity and Femininity. 

TLDR: The wound of the Masculine is shame in being a Feminine material being that arises from a societal expectation for men to be God-like as a mortal... which was once adaptive but now is not. And the wound of the Feminine is in the squelching of Feminine power and sovereignty that arises from this Masculine wound.

So, the collective Masculine wound is shame, and the collective Feminine wound is powerlessness.

 

Edited 6 minutes ago by Emerald