Russell Brand Charged With Rape In UK

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, MsNobody said:

It surprises me that Leo can’t see the crowd he is creating with his hyper logical way of thinking. The men here can’t read between the lines because of the weight they put on logic, they can’t see the subtleties, the energies. 

What??

@integral is my crowd and I believe the women in this case.

Logic points to Russell's guilt. Men who blindly defend him are being emotional, not logical.

Edited Sunday at 09:24 PM by Leo Gura

[Aaron p]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Logic points to Russell's guilt. Men who blindly defend him are being emotional, not logical.

 

I can see that some of the contrasting comments aren't attempts at justifying or side stepping justice, they seem to be simply looking at the broader beast as a whole and at how it could be adjusted to be less unnecessarily damaging in handling people who are convicted (with compassion and consciousness). None of this changes the fact that If he's guilty then he should be convicted.

After the fact, Holland is an excellent example of a society that is leading the cutting edge in compassion, insight and a rehabilitation focus...rather than a "let's see how badly we can fuck people's lives up to try and deter others" focus...

Edited Sunday at 10:28 PM by Aaron p

[Leo Gura]

I doubt he will be convicted. Too long ago and not enough hard evidence.

[Basman]

Judging purely by his appearance he does look like the king of groupies and like he experiments a lot with drugs. Wouldn't let him near me daughter.

Edited Sunday at 11:29 PM by Basman

[Hojo]

@Basman He used to be then he said Jesus saved him and started shouting anti establishment stuff and promoting trump like most of the other, more of a Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan super anti vaxx. His show is just him saying random anti vaxx stuff no guests.

Edited Sunday at 11:36 PM by Hojo

[MsNobody]

@Hojo

14 minutes ago, Hojo said:

he said Jesus saved him

yes it's the ego trying to get some control and attaching to an old self to survive, like a velcro, it goes on attaching to all things: Jesus, Trump Maga or whatever god will free him from his responsibilities as a human and man, to change he will have to accept the death of his current persona. People like him are like a glitch, I feel like he will be spiraling on this for decades. 

 @Leo Gura Indeed reading @integrals message was a breath of fresh air.

[Aaron p]

See most minds here are highly developed, or at least more developed than average. The problem with being highly developed psychologically is that it's it's usually difficult for us to appreciate the levels of stupidity and obliviousness that can exist inside of the minds of people who are less aware. And often this is all it is, a lack of awareness. Typically you dont find that most cases involve men who are completely aware and are just straight sadistic monsters who enjoy destroying women's honour. It's not uncommon that men are simply unaware of the damage their causing, or unaware of the fact that their causing any damage at all...remember that the idea of consent has been radically updated and refined over the last 30 years...when guys like Russel were growing up, there was no intelligent and intuitive distinction between slowly influencing the situation to encourage sex (like is normal and happens virtually all the time in pick up) and influencing the girl directly, too quickly or too strongly to encourage sex.

Once again, not saying it can go unquestioned...but there are for sure better ways this type of deal can be handled. I also don't know any of the details as I skimmed only, so I'm again pointing at the larger beast on the whole rather than this individual case

Edited yesterday at 02:09 AM by Aaron p

[Hardkill]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

I doubt he will be convicted. Too long ago and not enough hard evidence.

Having no morals and committing a crime didn’t matter for someone like him.

Also, most people in today’s world probably don’t care or won’t believe it. It’s not even clear that it will matter that much for history.

All we can do is pray that he faces some kind of justice of comeuppance.

So, then what was the whole point of this thread?

Also, I really don’t believe that he’s a true mature stage Green. He’s still too much of a degenerate low life to have earned that kind of recognition.

Edited yesterday at 02:52 AM by Hardkill

[Leo Gura]

2 minutes ago, Hardkill said:

then what was the whole point of this thread

Well, his reputation is getting tarnished, fairly or unfairly.

The justice system is slow and never gets everyone it should.

Edited yesterday at 02:51 AM by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Well, his reputation is getting tarnished, fairly or unfairly.

The justice system is slow and never gets everyone it should.

Tragically, the justice system never gets everyone it should.

Even if his reputation gets tarnished, I fear that he will be able to get enough people to come back around to him, just like with Trump, especially in this day and age where we live in an era of very low trust in legitimate Institutions, am extremely fractured media environment with unprecedented widespread internet/social media brainwashing, and celebrity level charisma/status forgives virtually everything. 
 

This is why I now think that we or some other people out there outside of the law may need to take matters into our own hands by becoming vigilantes. 

Edited yesterday at 02:58 AM by Hardkill

[Consept]

It will be hard to get concrete proof so not sure he'll actually get convicted but for cps to charge him they must have something. I think the chances thar he actually did something that crossed a legal boundary is very high, basically because there are so many stories, some of which he himself has told with extremely questionable behaviour, such as exposing himself to women. Most of the time he'd get away with stuff like that because of his celebrity and the fact a lot of women did like his energy and found him attractive. But take that away if you just had a normal guy running around doing the same shit he'd be arrested very quickly. It's not a stretch to say some women wouldn't have liked what Brand was doing. 

If you look at the video, he is playful and some could say he's got game, but imagine if the woman wasn't into it.

 

[Emerald]

On 4/5/2025 at 9:01 PM, Leo Gura said:

This dismisses a deeper understanding of feminine nature.

With rape fantasies, there's this interesting dynamic of imagining a really extreme scenario of feeling totally stripped of agency, vulnerable, and out of control whilst actually being 100% in control and invulnerable.

So... it's like safely enjoying a fantasy of being unsafe... while the mind is the puppet-master of the entire fantasy. Or if you have a trusted partner to orchestrate it, it's even more effective because of the lack of predictability and the ability to relinquish even more control.

So, what she said about it being a control issue in reverse is most certainly true as well. And it definitely needs the backdrop of safety to work.

But to your point about the Feminine nature, a rape fantasy combines the surrender and relaxation that's only possible with safety... with a really extreme imagined or orchestrated scenario of domination, violation, objectification, and a total loss of agency and power.

And that fantasy tends to be effective at stripping back layers of day-to-day emotional insulation and armoring to reveal a softer and more vulnerable emotional underbelly and feelings of exposure... which increases physical and emotional sensitivity and opens up to a more subtle and nuanced awareness of feeling.

And because of this increased sensitivity, the violation dynamic of the fantasy scrapes itself against that rawness, bathing you in a mixture of painful and pleasurable feelings that blend seamlessly together to where there is no sense of where pain ends and pleasure begins.

And there's the loss of the burden of basic human responsibility associated with extreme objectification as well as vulnerability, softness, surrender, letting go in the face of powerlessness, and unconditional receptivity and responsiveness to forces from the outside world. And there's also disgust, pain, sadness, and fear that are mixed in with that cocktail of pleasant emotions.

So, it's like the chocolate of emotions... sweetness and bitterness combined.

And on a more sublime level, this unconditional receptivity to the violation mirrors the powerlessness to stop the passage of time and the forces of nature to take us into entropy. Such a deep surrender is very death-like in that way, so there is an ecstasy about it.

And this is a way to get in touch with the Feminine, which is to be and feel alive... and therefore very in touch with human fragility as that is what it means to feel alive.

And physically, all of this makes it a lot more easy for sexual energy to flow through the body and to reach a climax.

Then, if you orchestrate it with a trusted intimate partner... you also get to feel a vicarious satisfaction for his pleasure and to feel the strength deferential in action... which is thrilling.

But there is also a subtle reversal of the domination dynamic woven right into the fantasy. Like Femininity and beauty is his kryptonite and his instincts are so strong and powerful that he is weak agains them and has no choice but to surrender... to the point of committing a crime. It's even better if you can see the conflict play out in his facial expressions.

Ultimately, the rape fantasy is just a vehicle to bring you more in touch with the Feminine which is surrender, receptivity, emotional sensitivity, permeability, physicality, softness, and being.

[Leo Gura]

@Emerald Well said.

[Scholar]

9 hours ago, Hardkill said:

Tragically, the justice system never gets everyone it should.

Even if his reputation gets tarnished, I fear that he will be able to get enough people to come back around to him, just like with Trump, especially in this day and age where we live in an era of very low trust in legitimate Institutions, am extremely fractured media environment with unprecedented widespread internet/social media brainwashing, and celebrity level charisma/status forgives virtually everything. 
 

This is why I now think that we or some other people out there outside of the law may need to take matters into our own hands by becoming vigilantes. 

This is an insane stance, because the whole point of the law is to determine if someone is or is not innocent. That is what the whole process is about. Vigilantes cannot and will not do that.

What you are proposing is going back to a time where black men are lynched because a woman accused them of having raped them, for whatever reason. You cannot have societies make these determinations on how you "feel" about a certain situation.

 

It is better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer. There is a deep reason why this has to be the case in relation to justice. Sometimes criminals will get away with their crimes, this is a given in any society.

 

In essence, you will not prevent the abuse because the root cause of the abuse here is that individuals with power are deified, both by women and men. We still live in a society that is far too status driven, and individuals with status will always be able to exploit their power if society is freely giving them that power. The abuse occurs because of a fundamental trust that is given to individuals who have high status. Even if you will catch all the rapist, the rapes in such a society will not stop. Radical criminalization does not work for any social problem of such dimension, and indiscriminate persecution of individuals who are accused of being guilty of something is not a healthy pathway towards social growth and resolution.

Edited 18 hours ago by Scholar

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Vigilantes cannot and will not do that.

Unfortunatley when the law fails too often, people take justice into their own hands.

Which is why strict and consistent application of justice is important.

Injustice leads to mob action. Which is what #MeToo is about. If rapists were properly dealt with then #MeToo would not exist. But since they aren't, here we are.

Edited 17 hours ago by Leo Gura

[mmKay]

2 hours ago, Emerald said:

With rape fantasies, there's this interesting dynamic of imagining a really extreme scenario of feeling totally stripped of agency, vulnerable, and out of control whilst actually being 100% in control and invulnerable.

So... it's like safely enjoying a fantasy of being unsafe... while the mind is the puppet-master of the entire fantasy. Or if you have a trusted partner to orchestrate it, it's even more effective because of the lack of predictability and the ability to relinquish even more control.

So, what she said about it being a control issue in reverse is most certainly true as well. And it definitely needs the backdrop of safety to work.

But to your point about the Feminine nature, a rape fantasy combines the surrender and relaxation that's only possible with safety... with a really extreme imagined or orchestrated scenario of domination, violation, objectification, and a total loss of agency and power.

And that fantasy tends to be effective at stripping back layers of day-to-day emotional insulation and armoring to reveal a softer and more vulnerable emotional underbelly and feelings of exposure... which increases physical and emotional sensitivity and opens up to a more subtle and nuanced awareness of feeling.

And because of this increased sensitivity, the violation dynamic of the fantasy scrapes itself against that rawness, bathing you in a mixture of painful and pleasurable feelings that blend seamlessly together to where there is no sense of where pain ends and pleasure begins.

And there's the loss of the burden of basic human responsibility associated with extreme objectification as well as vulnerability, softness, surrender, letting go in the face of powerlessness, and unconditional receptivity and responsiveness to forces from the outside world. And there's also disgust, pain, sadness, and fear that are mixed in with that cocktail of pleasant emotions.

So, it's like the chocolate of emotions... sweetness and bitterness combined.

And on a more sublime level, this unconditional receptivity to the violation mirrors the powerlessness to stop the passage of time and the forces of nature to take us into entropy. Such a deep surrender is very death-like in that way, so there is an ecstasy about it.

And this is a way to get in touch with the Feminine, which is to be and feel alive... and therefore very in touch with human fragility as that is what it means to feel alive.

And physically, all of this makes it a lot more easy for sexual energy to flow through the body and to reach a climax.

Then, if you orchestrate it with a trusted intimate partner... you also get to feel a vicarious satisfaction for his pleasure and to feel the strength deferential in action... which is thrilling.

But there is also a subtle reversal of the domination dynamic woven right into the fantasy. Like Femininity and beauty is his kryptonite and his instincts are so strong and powerful that he is weak agains them and has no choice but to surrender... to the point of committing a crime. It's even better if you can see the conflict play out in his facial expressions.

Ultimately, the rape fantasy is just a vehicle to bring you more in touch with the Feminine which is surrender, receptivity, emotional sensitivity, permeability, physicality, softness, and being.

Take this message as a sign to inmediately start writing a book on the subject;) cashapp me half a mill in a few years
The intersection between Spirituallity and Sexuallity can be a billion dollar industry if not much more, and is a beautiful gateway drug into consciousness work 

And I'm not even going to mention the mind-blowing erotic novels you could write with that level of accurrate understanding of the Femenine. Just crappy 50 shades of gray made 1.3 billion

One single book would give you a mouth foaming cult-like fanbase.

@Leo Gura another example just like you mentioned music & Truth regarding bizz on the blog


A "safe word" is a good start, but I'm sure the Femenine would definitely want us to edge you on that as well and to call BS and ignore it in a very calibrated accurrate way, so she feels like actually she doesn't have control and has to surrender -- and truly wants to surrender, but deep down she knows that if the line was REALLY crossed you would INMEDIATELY know with 100% accurracy, which comes only from a dynamic of Infinite trust, extreme real time presence by both parties and deep accurrate intimate understanding of eachother.

The Femenine wants us to literally read your mind & more importantly, beyond your mind and actually even BEYOND beyond your mind,  to guide you to experience just the right flavor of emotional "forbidden cocktail" that she herself didn't know her soul deeply craves.

The Female craves a depth of intimacy where you two literally ARE ONE. It desires Union. Where misunderstanding is LITERALLY not possible because she is absolutely naked, transparent and completely understood to the last drop, even beyond what she is capable of knowing herself, where she inmediately discovers it's True when she feels it and it feels right.

Edited 16 hours ago by mmKay

[Scholar]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Unfortunatley when the law fails too often, people take justice into their own hands.

Which is why strict and consistent application of justice is important.

Injustice leads to mob action. Which is what #MeToo is about. If rapists were properly dealt with then #MeToo would not exist. But since they aren't, here we are.

The law is not failing in this sense, it is simply that there is an epistemic hurdle that is unsolvable in relation to the law. There probably is no law that you could construct that would alleviate this issue entirely. That law can regulate all human interaction and solve all abuse is fundamentally naive and false assumption.

Incest laws for example exist almost universally, but they have virtually no impact on abuse rates and might in fact exacerbate them given criminal persecution leads to pathology in individuals who otherwise might not have been, as for example a result of social isolation. 

 

Some of the systemic problems around rape stem from sexual repression and lack of education. Individuals are not made aware of the risks and are not taught how to protect themselves and most importantly how to navigate such abusive dynamics. The problem in other words is that women do not feel comfortable coming out, especially against high status individuals, and therefore prosecution becomes difficult. To draw another analogy to incest laws, it is the fact that incest is so taboo that many victims of such things do not ever speak out about their abuse, as well as the disproportionate power abusers can hold in such dynamics. We also do not teach individuals to identify and call out such things because we as a society are too immature to maintain an awareness of these issues without them threatening our false sense of security.

 

The #MeToo movement is useful in so far as it raises awareness such that we can approach these problems with a solution oriented mindset. One of the major problems was that women would not come out with their abuse because we would dismiss them on a social level. Just saying that the law is not persecuting rapists is utterly unhelpful. What about the law has to change, what in the system has to change? Why is it so difficult to prosecute these things? Mindless outrage just leads to "Defund the Police" type policy thinking which contributes to the problem rather than resolve it. It is a red herring.

I am sure the laws can be improved, but the resolution to this problem will not be this simplistic.

Edited 16 hours ago by Scholar

[MsNobody]

@Emerald wow, that was a quite refreshing to read after the sick comments in the thread. Beautifully said. 

[Leo Gura]

16 minutes ago, Scholar said:

The law is not failing in this sense, it is simply that there is an epistemic hurdle that is unsolvable in relation to the law. There probably is no law that you could construct that would alleviate this issue entirely.

It goes beyond law. There is a vast culture of sexual abuse and exploitation of women in business, which is the status quo. And it skates by on sexual abuse being he-said she-said.

#MeToo is a response to that injustice.

[Scholar]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It goes beyond law. There is a vast culture of sexual abuse and exploitation of women in business, which is the status quo. And it skates by on sexual abuse being he-said she-said.

#MeToo is a response to that injustice.

You are moving the goalpost. The claim you initially made was that people will take things into their own hands if the laws fail. The laws are not what is failing here, it is society. This is why the whole vigilante thing is absurd and unproductive.

 

Yes, we live in a deeply sick culture. We objectify individuals by consuming their excretions, raping them so that they provide us with milk, killing their children and we repeat this cycle until the individuals reproductive system has been so exploited that it no longer provides us with any value. I am well aware of rape culture and the extend to which it permeates all of society.

The reason why the vigilantism is not a good idea is because, if you were to ever apply ethics in an even remotely consistent way, you would justify terrorism and atrocities you probably would not be as fond of after realizing they would be committed against you, because you are one of the objectifiers, one of the supremacists.

 

 

When I say these attitudes are dysfunctional and dangerous, I do not do so because I think society is not as bad as you think. I do so because society is far worse than most people can imagine. And those who lack that imagination are the very individuals who would have to face judgement if their standards were applied in any measure of justice.

Edited 16 hours ago by Scholar