A Letter to Leo — From One Who No Longer Needs to Arrive

[rudirotbart]

Dear Leo,

 

First, thank you.

Your work reached into places I was too afraid to go.

You shattered walls that needed breaking,

and I will always honor that.

You were necessary in my journey.

And now, I’m ready to tell you why I’ve let you go.

 

For years, I thought I needed your kind of truth.

The kind that’s absolute.

The kind that cuts through everything — thoughts, ego, identity, illusion.

The kind that promises God, if only I’d die enough times inside.

But what I’ve discovered is this:

 

Truth, without love, isn’t whole.

Truth without love doesn’t liberate —

it burns.

 

You speak of infinite love.

But often, what comes through is a war against the self.

Your message says:

“You’re still addicted.”

“You’re still lying to yourself.”

“You still don’t get it.”

 

That is not love, Leo.

That’s spiritual shame.

And shame does not awaken.

Shame protects the ego more than anything else ever could.

 

Here’s what I now see:

Love isn’t something you arrive at after truth.

Love is the truth.

Not a concept. Not a practice.

But the space where everything is already allowed,

even ego.

Even fear.

Even the one who’s “not getting it.”

 

Real awakening didn’t happen for me when I realized I was God.

It happened when I realized I didn’t need to become anything more.

When I stopped trying to earn enlightenment.

When I stopped trying to prove I could love “everything” —

and instead just loved myself,

even in the places I once rejected as unspiritual.

 

You still seem to be trying to prove something, Leo.

And that’s okay.

That’s human.

But you’ve built a system around that effort —

a system that says truth is only real if it hurts enough.

 

And I want to offer you this:

Truth that doesn’t hold

is not as true

as truth that loves.

 

Because love doesn’t need you to get it.

It’s already here.

Right now.

For you, too.

 

Maybe you’ll understand this someday.

Maybe you won’t.

Either way — I’m not trying to save you.

 

I just wanted to speak.

Because I don’t need to climb anymore.

I’m not trying to awaken.

I’m just here.

And that’s more than enough.

 

With peace,

A fellow soul

Who no longer needs to awaken

To know he’s home.

 

Edited Saturday at 09:01 AM by rudirotbart

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, rudirotbart said:

But you’ve built a system around that effort —

Yeah. Actualized.org is a system, a catalogue of concepts for jailbreaking the mind.

It's quite a loose system. Just a web of concepts.

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a system that says truth is only real if it hurts enough.

No. I've never said such a thing. Truth does not depend on your feelings.

Sometimes truth will hurt and sometimes it won't.

Making yourself deliberately suffer has never been what this work is about. I just have a strict style of teaching and very high standards.

But I understand that my style may have hurt you. I do like to beat you over the head with truth. And I know many people won't like that and would benefit from a softer approach. In fact I am softening my style, but it will never be as soft as you'd probably like just because I have a certain serious and radical character. If you go train in Japanese Zen, it's rough. They don't pamper you and it's not suitable for everyone.

But thanks for the feedback and good luck with your journey.

Edited Saturday at 10:49 AM by Leo Gura

[rudirotbart]

I just want to say one more thing —

from my heart.

 

I love you.

Not because I agree with everything you teach,

and not because I need anything from you.

But because I see the depth of your search.

I see how much you’ve given,

how much you’ve risked,

how far you’ve gone

to serve what you believe is truth.

 

I love you

even in the places where you still fight.

Even in the edge, the sharpness, the solitude.

I don’t need you to be softer.

I don’t need you to be different.

 

This is just my way of saying:

Thank you.

And I love you.

Fully.

Freely.

No strings attached.

[Leo Gura]

[Someone here]

Haters gonna hate ..fakers gonna fake ..neo advaitans Buddhist rats gonna neo advaitaning ..and Leo is gonna Leo. 

I mean none of what you wrote is wrong .but its just limited . I bet that Leo knows this shit very well and even as he told me once he has grown sick of this kind of message or teaching because it just doesn't make sense to him anymore and doesn't satisfy his lust for understanding reality ..which is his new goal as he is becoming more of a philosopher rather than a spiritual teacher .

What you said is real spirituality . But Leo is not a spiritual teacher anymore . He is trying to understand all aspects of existence and life equally ..money ..dating ..business..politics ..philosophy..God..etc 

[Alexop]

33 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Haters gonna hate ..fakers gonna fake ..neo advaitans Buddhist rats gonna neo advaitaning ..and Leo is gonna Leo. 

I mean none of what you wrote is wrong .but its just limited . I bet that Leo knows this shit very well and even as he told me once he has grown sick of this kind of message or teaching because it just doesn't make sense to him anymore and doesn't satisfy his lust for understanding reality ..which is his new goal as he is becoming more of a philosopher rather than a spiritual teacher .

What you said is real spirituality . But Leo is not a spiritual teacher anymore . He is trying to understand all aspects of existence and life equally ..money ..dating ..business..politics ..philosophy..God..etc 

This is so important. To combine what you get from spirituality and apply it on day to day life. If you separate spirituality from you mortal human form, it will be as worthless as a seal in the desert. Your human form works so hard to relaize God so it can enlighten its daily life and lives of others. You only realize God for the sake of realizing it then you die, and what? You become God either way when you die.

Edited Saturday at 01:59 PM by Alexop

[Exystem]

Everytime I have another awakening like the one today I am puzzled by the intelligence actualized.org resembles in my storyline. It's stunningly awesome! To me, it's almost the purest form of love I could imagine. Seriously, it's like God imagined a father to teach itself how to be God. This is not about Leo per se, I am not an idealizing fan that thinks he's above anything. I am just sooo amazed about how many synchronicities I have experienced with the actualized.org teachings and how every of Leos stick-beatings is like the fresehest sip of water and the purest breath of air to me. Him pointing out my self-deception is like a dentist drilling and filling my holes. It's not that I like going to the dentist, but...

If you can't see the endless love a dentist drills into your tooth, well... Love more <3

To me, the actualized.org teachings are all about Love. It is a lasertool which cuts through all the BS into the heart of the (every)thing, which is an explosion of overwhelming Love. That only serious truth-seeking would be required to result in an endless explosion of Love, who could ever believe this?! I am stunned by Beauty ...

[TheEnigma]

The thing is, Leo's style is a bit direct. But he has to be in a way, because the world doesn't have enough people willing to tell you these things already. If he beat around the bush too much or became too soft, I almost feel like he probably feels he's doing his audience a disservice. Leo has put in so much quality work from the time he was very little, till now, to be able to share these ideas and insights by his direct experience. His humility is orders of magnitude above many great philosophers and spiritual leaders. His time is so precious. It will be sad when he is gone. But this isn't to say you haven't suffered greatly either. It's just a personal preference in style. All the best to you.

Edited yesterday at 07:25 AM by TheEnigma

[JosephKnecht]

On 05/04/2025 at 10:56 AM, rudirotbart said:

Truth that doesn’t hold

is not as true

as truth that loves.

I think someone loves the Truth a bit too much  

I won't say who, but I think you know. 

@rudirotbart Thanks for sharing. 

[Aaron p]

[Yimpa]

Let's spice things up a bit, shall we