Posted April 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Leo Gura said: It's amusing to me that the women here feel so strongly it's a judgment. Women interpret a harsh truth as an attack because it disregards feelings. Which beautiful proves the central point of this whole thread. Bottom line is: talk about serious truths with women and you will absolutely regret it. Leo— You know the weight your words carry. You’ve built a platform on insight, nuance, and depth. So when you reduce a complex dynamic to “talk about serious truths with women and you will absolutely regret it,” you’re not delivering truth—you’re delivering defeatism wrapped in superiority. You’re too smart not to see what you’re doing. You’re retreating into logic because you’re frustrated your logic isn’t landing. But that’s not the women’s fault. That’s the edge you haven’t grown through yet. The real teaching—the actual work—is learning how to speak truth that doesn’t bypass emotion, that doesn’t shame the listener, and that doesn’t let your disappointment mutate into contempt. You’re mistaking emotional resistance for ignorance. You’re mistaking being misunderstood for being right. And you’re mistaking your own frustration for clarity. This thread started with a provocative idea, sure. But it hit a nerve because there is a real dynamic worth unpacking. You could’ve been the one to thread that needle—humor, tension, honesty, and growth. Instead, you chose the easy road: a mic drop that flatters your followers and alienates the very people you say you’re trying to understand. You’ve told people for years: You must meet others where they are. So why don’t you? Why, when the emotions rise, do you turn your back and call it proof of their inferiority? This isn’t strength. It’s resignation. And it’s beneath you. You can be better than this. So be. Edited April 6 by yetineti Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Emerald said: Leo has a lot of really deep perspectives on many topics... but women, Femininity, and relationships are topics that he's fairly shallow in his understanding of. But that's mostly because he's not really interested in exploring the topic more deeply... as he doesn't see the value in it beyond basic pick-up stuff. I just wish that he wouldn't speak on it like such an authority when he understands to little on the topic. I would leave him alone if he wasn't doing that. Well get over it already. You are here since 2016 .just get how Leo works .i think there is a huge presence of arrogance and smugness to him. That in itself isn’t the issue because enlightened people can be quite blunt (to cut through the nonsense) which may come off as arrogant. But his has a different flavour. I thinks he has some sort of authority because this is his forum ?maybe ? Would you not be tempted to school everyone if you started your own community? 11 minutes ago, Emerald said: And which cartoon character are you? I'm not a cartoon character. Lolipop 😂 Edited April 6 by Someone here "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly." -Leo Gura. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 I'm addressing this to multiple guys on this thread who seem to think that "such a woman answer" is such a zinger... Stop being dicks. You're not clever. Are you struggling with self-sabotage and CONSTANTLY standing in the way of your own success? If so, and if you're looking for an experienced coach to help you discover and resolve the root of the issue, you can click this link to schedule a free discovery call with me to see if my program is a good fit for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 (edited) I am extremely disappointed with the men here. Men: If you are right. You should’ve kept your mouths shut. If you are wrong. You should’ve kept your mouths shut. Make sense? Good. Edited April 6 by yetineti Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 5 minutes ago, yetineti said: You know the weight your words carry. You’ve built a platform on insight, nuance, and depth. So when you reduce a complex dynamic to “talk about serious truths with women and you will absolutely regret it,” you’re not delivering truth—you’re delivering defeatism wrapped in superiority. Well said. Are you struggling with self-sabotage and CONSTANTLY standing in the way of your own success? If so, and if you're looking for an experienced coach to help you discover and resolve the root of the issue, you can click this link to schedule a free discovery call with me to see if my program is a good fit for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 Just now, yetineti said: I am extremely disappointed with the men here. Men: If you are right. You should’ve kept your fucking mouths shut. If you are wrong. You should’ve kept your fucking mouths shut. Make sense? Good. I don't agree with that. It's important to know how a sizable portion of the male population are thinking about women. If you don't know it... you can't sort for it? Are you struggling with self-sabotage and CONSTANTLY standing in the way of your own success? If so, and if you're looking for an experienced coach to help you discover and resolve the root of the issue, you can click this link to schedule a free discovery call with me to see if my program is a good fit for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 8 minutes ago, yetineti said: And you’re mistaking your own frustration for clarity. between you and Leo, you are clearly the frustrated one It's Love. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 (edited) 10 minutes ago, yetineti said: The real teaching—the actual work—is learning how to speak truth that doesn’t bypass emotion, that doesn’t shame the listener, and that doesn’t let your disappointment mutate into contempt. There's no need to tiptoe around people's emotions when they're serious about truth. You're Assuming he has contempt and that he's shaming people. My girlfriend has told me multiple times that she's just a child and she wants me to take care of her and she can't handle life. If you want I will get her to text me that right now, she has enough self-awareness to know who she is and I didn't implant any ideas in her head. Edited April 6 by integral StopWork.ai - Voice Everything Browser Extension How is this post just me acting out my ego in the usual ways? Is this post just me venting and justifying my selfishness? Are the things you are posting in alignment with principles of higher consciousness and higher stages of ego development? Are you acting in a mature or immature way? Are you being selfish or selfless in your communication? Are you acting like a monkey or like a God-like being? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 8 minutes ago, Someone here said: Well get over it already. You are here since 2016 .just get how Leo works .i think there is a huge presence of arrogance and smugness to him. That in itself isn’t the issue because enlightened people can be quite blunt (to cut through the nonsense) which may come off as arrogant. But his has a different flavour. I thinks he has some sort of authority because this is his forum ?maybe ? Would you not be tempted to school everyone if you started your own community? I'm not a cartoon character. Lolipop 😂 I have my own community.... a YouTube channel with nearly 70k subs. And I don't school them. It would be an irresponsible to relate to them in that way as people are incredibly impressionable. So, I'm incredibly careful about what I share with my audience and how I share it, as I know it can cause so much harm. And that's why I'm hard on Leo... as he has a larger audience. Yet, he often doesn't consider how much power his words have over his audience. So, no. I don't even have the urge to school my audience because my audience is full of bright deep-thinking individuals that I see as my equals. I only come on here to argue at willing targets... because I sometimes require a safe space to spar with people. It's all in good fun. But I would never do it on my own platform as it could really harm people. Are you struggling with self-sabotage and CONSTANTLY standing in the way of your own success? If so, and if you're looking for an experienced coach to help you discover and resolve the root of the issue, you can click this link to schedule a free discovery call with me to see if my program is a good fit for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Emerald said: I don't agree with that. It's important to know how a sizable portion of the male population are thinking about women. If you don't know it... you can't sort for it? I am sorry that seems harsh. I am pointing out the hypocrisy in this conversation. What you called being a dick. The men here are being dicks, yes. If they are right about the way women should be treated, they are not acting how they say they should. They are saying what they said they ‘shouldn’t say.’ I am not saying women cannot handle that. I am saying if your claim is women need special handling and then you treat them poorly, it looks extra bad. Principle, that’s all. Edited April 6 by yetineti Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 (edited) This conversation has been like walking through a Garden of roses in comparison to the conversations we used to have on this forum. This is a very impressive clean conversation overall. Edited April 6 by integral StopWork.ai - Voice Everything Browser Extension How is this post just me acting out my ego in the usual ways? Is this post just me venting and justifying my selfishness? Are the things you are posting in alignment with principles of higher consciousness and higher stages of ego development? Are you acting in a mature or immature way? Are you being selfish or selfless in your communication? Are you acting like a monkey or like a God-like being? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 (edited) 14 minutes ago, integral said: There's no need to tiptoe around people's emotions when they're serious about truth. You're Assuming he has contempt and that he's shaming people. My girlfriend has told me multiple times that she's just a child and she wants me to take care of her and she can't handle life. If you want I will get her to text me that right now, she has enough self-awareness to know who she is and I didn't implant any ideas in her head. It’s not tip toeing, its emotional maturity and effectiveness of teaching and meeting people where they’re at. Your girlfriend? Who cares? This isn’t about you. Edited April 6 by yetineti Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 (edited) 15 minutes ago, integral said: My girlfriend has told me multiple times that she's just a child and she wants me to take care of her and she can't handle life. If you want I will get her to text me that right now, she has enough self-awareness to know who she is and I didn't implant any ideas in her head. It honestly sounds like she’s the rational one and you’re the one who needs her to parent you into parenting her then. Long story short, your argument was somewhat ironic. Edited April 6 by yetineti Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 46 minutes ago, Leo Gura said: It's amusing to me that the women here feel so strongly it's a judgment. Women interpret a harsh truth as an attack because it disregards feelings. Which beautifully proves the central point of this whole thread. Bottom line is: talk about serious truths with women and you will absolutely regret it, because what they care about is feelings, not your truth. Personal responsibility is absolutely a factor. I implore you to think about how your statement, that is quite black and white, does not just apply to women. It is not true that women alone cannot abide harsh truths. It is rather, people, humans, that cannot. When I tell a male tradie they have fit off a fixture with no care, its below my standard & to get down to site and fix it, they get angry. This is an emotion in response to a truth. Men and women will respond the same, it's the subject being addressed and how they feel about it that dictates the reaction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 5 minutes ago, yetineti said: Your girlfriend? Who cares? This isn’t about you. Because my girlfriend is not offended by this conversation. Or anything Leo said. StopWork.ai - Voice Everything Browser Extension How is this post just me acting out my ego in the usual ways? Is this post just me venting and justifying my selfishness? Are the things you are posting in alignment with principles of higher consciousness and higher stages of ego development? Are you acting in a mature or immature way? Are you being selfish or selfless in your communication? Are you acting like a monkey or like a God-like being? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 Just now, integral said: Because my girlfriend is not offended by this conversation. Or anything Leo said. Again, irony. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 Just now, yetineti said: I am sorry that seems harsh. I am pointing out the hypocrisy in this conversation. What you called being a dick. The men here are being dicks, yes. If they are right about the way women should be treating, they are not acting how they say they should. They are saying what they said they shouldn’t say. I am not saying women cannot handle that. I am saying if your claim is women need special handling and then you treat them poorly, it looks extra bad. Principle, that’s all. It might seem harsh, but look around the world. And you will see that it's just a practical safety concern. You would think similarly if you were a woman. There's so much misunderstanding that so many men have about women... and when you misunderstand something, you will fear and harm that something. And it's not a mistake that women recoil at men who openly talk about these thoughts and feelings. It's just a smart move. What's worse is that the men that think like this are so certain that they're correct. They're like a full cup that can't be poured into. And they get mean and gang up... and they let their true colors show when you challenge them on it. So, it's genuinely good for men to communicate as loudly and proudly as possible what they're thinking about women. It's better if they tell on themselves. But of course what you say is true about them saying "Don't tell women x." and then "telling women x" as they're saying that. It's just a a game to big themselves up as the 'logical ones that know better and can handle harsh truths'... but it's just a mixture of a lot of them sucking their own dicks and licking their wounds together as a salve for their own loneliness. Are you struggling with self-sabotage and CONSTANTLY standing in the way of your own success? If so, and if you're looking for an experienced coach to help you discover and resolve the root of the issue, you can click this link to schedule a free discovery call with me to see if my program is a good fit for you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 Coming along sooner than you guys think ..I'm not gonna sign off until this happens first 😂 Enough . "When you get very serious about truth you accept your life situation exactly as it is. So much so that you aren't childishly sitting around wishing it were otherwise.If you were confined to a wheelchair you would just accept it as how reality is. Just as you now just accept that you are not a bird who can fly." -Leo Gura. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 10 minutes ago, yetineti said: It honestly sounds like she’s the rational one and you’re the one who needs her to parent you into parenting her then. Long story short, your argument was somewhat ironic. So you interpreted it as my girlfriend's scolding me for not playing my masculine roll correctly? StopWork.ai - Voice Everything Browser Extension How is this post just me acting out my ego in the usual ways? Is this post just me venting and justifying my selfishness? Are the things you are posting in alignment with principles of higher consciousness and higher stages of ego development? Are you acting in a mature or immature way? Are you being selfish or selfless in your communication? Are you acting like a monkey or like a God-like being? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Posted April 6 (edited) @Emerald I thought me being that harsh came across wrong. We agree though and I understand what you’re saying. Edited April 6 by yetineti Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
