Treat Women Like Children

[Eskilon]

  On 4/5/2025 at 0:16 AM, Lyubov said:

The thing is though people try to stay on just one side of this duality and in doing so turn it into a pendulum at their expense, swinging radically from one side to the other. Masculinity / femininity are fluid qualities not absolutes about how one must live moment to moment in order to live good. It's not really possible to live aligned with truth from my experience if you try to live just as a totally feminine woman or a totally masculine man. In real life you have to find a balance of both and be able to wear both hats at times, it's like a dance or juggling, there's a rhythm to it in relationships. 

I've found the feminine values truth just as much as masculinity does. Men will not understand how women communicate and also lack experience in life, impose their expectations for how things should work, so they see women as less honest. I don't believe that to be true. Expecting someone else to see the world the same way as you and communicate in the same way as you is a form of self deception and not aligned with truth itself. 

Yeah I agree with you in general. Masculine and feminine are energies within each one of us. Man have feminine energies and women masculine ones.

It's not so black and white as a masculine leading and the feminine receiving/being vulnerable; the fantasy of a man providing for his woman simply doesn't hold anymore(If both partners are conscious enough to dispel the masculine/feminine categories). We need the balance so that individual is not lopsided and full of self-deception.

Edited April 5 by Eskilon

[OBEler]

  On 4/5/2025 at 0:33 AM, Leo Gura said:

This, men, is where you learn to keep your mouth shut. Let the woman feel she's right

@Leo Gura that's the most hardest thing to do if you are a man of truth. Especially an INTP. That's because many nerds struggle with relationships.

 

When feminine women thinks bullshit again you need to calculate the tradeoff between the damage it causes to disagree with her - which goes automatically against her feelings to follow her intuition/ her self esteem - and saving resources. 

[gambler]

  On 4/5/2025 at 0:57 AM, Eskilon said:

Yeah I agree with you in general. Masculine and feminine are energies within each one of us. Man have feminine energies and women masculine ones.

It's not so black and white as a masculine leading and the feminine receiving/being vulnerable; the fantasy of a man providing for his woman simply doesn't hold anymore(If both partners are conscious enough to dispel the masculine/feminine categories). We need the balance so that individual is not lopsided and full of self-deception.

Females are like flamboyant male homosexuals. Does that same type of flamboyant, over-the-top sassy, cheeky, mean-girl energy really exist within each one of us?

I don't think that level of energy exists within each one of us. I think it only exists with flamboyant gay men.

Edited April 5 by gambler

[Letho]

No.

You’re not seeing dominance for what it is. It’s not about treating her like a child. It’s about leading the emotional frame. Masculine energy contains. Feminine energy flows. That’s natural polarity, not parenting.

If I have to “treat her like a child,” I don’t see a partner, I see an emotional liability. And I don’t 'wife' liabilities. I filter them, or at most keep them at a distance with a relationship that has less intimacy, and is with more than one woman.

Most women today? Not wife material. Even my closest female friends will tell you the same as they know the conditioning runs deep, however I’m not here to heal the program, I’m here to live above it and that's what the drive of sentience is meant to encompass. Understand the reality you're in, no matter what reality, and master the 'simulation'.

I don’t manage chaos, I lead it.
I don’t complain, I recalibrate.
I don’t play therapist, I build legacy.

The women who enter my world already feel that difference. I don’t argue for my role, I embody it.

And I’ll be real, if she can’t feel safe in my frame, she’s not ready for it; I look for sentience in my relationships, for everything else there are multidimensional boundaries and various kinds of screens. I’m not here to control her. I’m here to be a man she wants to follow, not one that needs tricks or tactics as we see unhealthily projected on the forum in various ways, even using them towards female members here haha.

There’s a difference between being dominant… and being dramatic. The higher sentience learns to steer his awareness toward mastering that distinction. Make that internal shift, and everything changes... aka less heartache, fewer wasted years and no more entanglement with women who were never meant to hold your frame.

You stop chasing, start leading and finally tune into the kind of relationships that actually mean something; sentient; connective; depth... truth. There should be no distinction between the heights of the feeling of truth existentially and the heights of truth felt in a relationship. As I've expressed in other words, relationships continually teach us the existential underpinning to what we must master, if life is to come together; truly.

 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

All of us have masculine/feminine within us.

All of us have emotion/logic.

The beauty of being in relationship with another is it lets you sink into one polarity while your partner holds space.

You will both naturally switch between feminine/masculine in a response to each other's needs (and life at large). 

A healthy partnership will let you flow within the frequency of this switch.

This is at the core of a spiritual & energetic match within the bounds of a romantic relationship.

Stop thinking 'women are simpy in their masculine too much these days' 

Limiting belief, limiting thought.

A healthy person will be able to switch because they have mastered balance of energy.

 

[Eskilon]

  On 4/5/2025 at 1:02 AM, gambler said:

Females are like flamboyant male homosexuals. Does that same type of flamboyant, over-the-top sassy, cheeky, mean-girl energy really exist within each one of us?

I don't think that level of energy exists within each one of us. I think it only exists with flamboyant gay men.

I mean, you are trolling with this frame.

All I'm saying is that the providing logical male and the receiving emotional female is not entirely true. Or even, the best perspective on the matter.

Edited April 5 by Eskilon

[gambler]

  On 4/5/2025 at 1:24 AM, Eskilon said:

I mean, this you are kinda trolling with this frame.

All I'm saying is that the providing logical male and the receiving emotional female is not entirely true. Or even, the best perspective on the matter.

I'm not trying to troll. I don't understand the point of pointing out feminine/masculine energies that exist within us when our levels of those energies aren't all the same.

How many men have the compulsion to wear make-up? Or want to feel sexy in their body and flaunt it for the whole world? Feminine energy in females is different than the feminine energies in most men. 

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[Leo Gura]

What makes a man a man is that he has to deal with very cold truths.

And what makes a woman a woman is that she has to deal with children, who require warmth.

It makes sense that women are more child-like because they have to deal with children.

Although man-children are common today.

Edited April 5 by Leo Gura

[gambler]

  On 4/5/2025 at 1:32 AM, Leo Gura said:

Although man-children are common today.

I'm a man-child.

[Eskilon]

  On 4/5/2025 at 1:32 AM, Leo Gura said:

What makes a man a man is that he has to deal with very cold truths.

And what makes a woman a woman is that she has to deal with children, who require warmth.

It makes sense that women are more child-like because they have to deal with children.

Although man-children are common today.

This is very caveman-ish

[Leo Gura]

  On 4/5/2025 at 1:37 AM, Eskilon said:

This is very caveman-ish

Exactly. And people have lost all sense of their caveman foundations, thus acting like modern fools.

The cavemen were masters of survival, raising children, and common sense.

Edited April 5 by Leo Gura

[gambler]

  On 4/5/2025 at 1:37 AM, Eskilon said:

This is very caveman-ish

Females themselves perpetuate this dynamic.

When I'm in my feelings, complain, or even something as simple as saying I wish I could be a stay at home husband, I lose respect from females. I get stepped all over, mocked, bullied, and slowly but surely, they start ignoring me and treating me like I don't exist.

When I was in the 10th grade and my female teacher asked me what I wanted to be when I grow up, I said a stay at home husband. She and the 15 or so girls in the class expressed disgust at me. Eww'ing, and throwing me disgusted looks. The teacher herself said no woman would ever want to be with a man like that. She asked the girls how many of them would want to be with some like that and they doubled down in their disgust.

  On 4/5/2025 at 1:44 AM, Leo Gura said:

Exactly. And people have lost all sense of their caveman foundations, thus acting like modern fools.

The cavemen were masters of survival, raising children, and common sense.

Cavemen don't deserve to be demonized.

Edited April 5 by gambler

[Hojo]

@OBEler Its very easy just think, I am talking to a child. Why argue with a child? Woman legit has 0 power over a man except what they can do to your mind. They could stab you or shoot you in extreme cases.

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[Eskilon]

  On 4/5/2025 at 1:48 AM, gambler said:

When I'm in my feelings, complain, or even something as simple as saying I wish I could be a stay at home husband, I lose respect from females. I get stepped all over, mocked, bullied, and slowly but surely, they start ignoring me and treating me like I don't exist.

That's just because those women were underdeveloped and immature.

Edited April 5 by Eskilon

[ExploringReality]

Thank you Leo for these nuggets of wisdom, I will apply this to my relationships in a conscious and mature way, to understand in the moment what is going on. 

[Lyubov]

Boys are no longer coddled by society when they grow up, much less so compared to women who get help from others much easier. Women deal with many of the same cold truths but when faced with hardship they tend to be supported more through it.

 

[RendHeaven]

first 20 minutes are extremely on-topic for this thread. vid timestamped for the punchline

[RendHeaven]

and another timestamp. nail in the coffin.

[MarkKol]

  On 4/5/2025 at 1:32 AM, Leo Gura said:

What makes a man a man is that he has to deal with very cold truths.

And what makes a woman a woman is that she has to deal with children, who require warmth.

Leo-wisdom never stops, this is VALUE.

[Schizophonia]

  On 4/5/2025 at 5:29 AM, MarkKol said:

Leo-wisdom never stops, this is VALUE.

No, being a man means having a penis and testicles; Then generally we expect men to behave in a more "phallic" way, that is to say, roughly speaking, in a position of power; Men are more (it's a spectrum) master manifestors.

Leo's main problem is that he sees the world, and women in particular, through a strong anal sadistic fixation. Personal development, spirituality, even politics are literally full of people with this kind of regression, sometimes hysterical but mostly obsessive-compulsive men and even women (more rarely).

The scenario is very individual, but the typical case is a son too close to his mother, usually controlling and dissatisfied, and a bad relationship with the father such that the personality has been structured around a strong anxiety of castration by the father, due to the spread over time of the Oedipal temptation.

The strange cult of disillusionment, maturity, "truth" lol etcetc is a pathological avoidance of this temptation, because it has not in fact been well resolved; the object of love has been abandoned less out of love for the father and enthroning of the prohibition of incest and of a healthy principle of reality in general, than out of fear/anxiety of the father (and substitutes), by the anxiety of castration.

The devil is in the detail: Look closely at whether Leo actually offers a phallic position most of the time (productivity, courage, strength, mutual aid, etc.) or if there are some other things.

This forum is Leo's baby and mirror. Are the members of this forum a reflection of him? No, it's full of humanity and "depravity."

  On 4/5/2025 at 4:50 AM, RendHeaven said:

and another timestamp. nail in the coffin.

Lol, Owen Cook looks gay + He thinks he has to sound gay to have relationships and automatically manifest it.

I have attracted some very pretty girls (not the calves Owen flirts with on the street) with my heavy, monotone voice; In fact, if I push myself to speak with better posture and confidence, my voice becomes even heavier; Typical voice of the dark-haired Frenchman with a prickly beard and a shirt.

If you know the YouTuber Denmo, that's kind of like it. I think Denmo is much more successful than Owen.

Edited April 5 by Schizophonia