Treat Women Like Children

[Butters]

So for those wondering what Leo couldn't say in the other thread, I think this video covers it 

 

[Yimpa]

2:08 - Woman in the background 

[Butters]

55 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

2:08 - Woman in the background 

Lol he has another video called Women Are Like Cats. 

[Natasha Tori Maru]

None of this will work because frankly, most men don't know how to hold space for the feminine.

Many men (not all) hold better space for their cars than they do women: they check the engine, they clean it, change the oil, treat it with care, upgrade little bits, customise it. Then take it for a ride and the engine sings (6cyl+ only pls none of this resonant exhaust shit slapped on a micro engine 🤣) .

Just like with anything, she's gonna throw a check engine light and be a hassle if you neglect her. Especially a highly strung Ferrari! 

The biggest issue I see with forum users, is thinking life (and this includes getting a woman) is some vending machine where you put good stuff in and good stuff comes out.

It just shows how little life experience / real life application many here have. 

Theres a measure of black and white thinking tossed in also, which adds to this polarity. 

All of this could be applied to women in the reverse. Most women do not know how to allow/make room for the masculine to lead

 

 

Edited Saturday at 12:14 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[BlessedLion]

6 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

None of this won't work because frankly, most men don't know how to hold space for the feminine.

Many men (not all) hold better space for their cars than they do women: they check the engine, they clean it, change the oil, treat it with care, upgrade little bits, customise it. Then take it for a ride and the engine sings (6cyl+ only pls none of this resonant exhaust shit slapped on a micro engine 🤣) .

Just like with anything, she's gonna throw a check engine light and be a hassle if you neglect her. Especially a highly strung Ferrari! 

The biggest issue I see with forum users is thinking life (and this includes getting a woman) is some vending machine where you put good stuff in and good stuff comes out.

It just shows how little life experience / real life application many here have. 

Theres a measure of black and white thinking tossed in also, which adds to this polarity. 

All of this could be applied to women in the reverse. Most women do not know how to allow/make room for the masculine to lead

 

 

Exactly. I feel like the MGTOW and Tate guys love to philosophize on how to handle and treat women yet the ultimate joke is most of them are incels. They have no real world proof for these theories and can’t even attract women in real life. Honestly it’s quite pathetic. Few of the men here know how to actually lead and polarize a relationship with integrity and respect. And in that sense THEY are the children. And full honesty I think in general women are just more conscious then men 

[Schizophonia]

I read "Treat Women Like Chicken" 😂

[Lyubov]

It’s because many women have been sold a dream where they believe a man will come and save them and relieve them of responsibilities. But this in general does not lead to a sustainable life and it also falls apart when you meet reality and you have all sorts of considerations like money, life path and how to raise kids. It’s a slippery slope to hand wave this away. It’s the girl equivalent of “boys will be boys” when women don’t want to be responsible, just like how men don’t want to be responsible for their destructive behavior, women don’t want to be for their careless behavior. The guy in the video does make some good points but I’d probably use different language to describe the points he made. 

Edited Friday at 10:54 PM by Lyubov

[Leo Gura]

It's generally good advice when dealing with the feminine.

As a man you have to learn to emotionally manipulate women.

This sounds bad, but feminine women need and want their emotions managed. Children also need their emotions managed. The whole challenge of being a man is that you must deliver results with no one else to comfort you or manage your emotions. Women can operate that way too, but then they lose their feminine qualities and become masculine, which makes them unattractive.

The problem though is that this irresponsibility over one's own emotions in women cannot ultimately work. It must fail because life is far too serious to manage without being fully in control over your emotions. The feminine way of life is just not suitable for serious survival. It works when survival is relatively easy. Which is why feminine women often need men to take care of survival for them. The more she's able to handle very difficult survival, the less feminine she's gonna be. So there's a tradeoff between survival effectiveness and feminine innocence. If you want a very feminine girl then you gotta be ready to take care of her more, manipulate her emotions for her, etc. And in that sense it is like dealing with a child because the child cannot handle its own survival. That's the common thread.

Women are fully capable of taking care of themselves. The problem is that basically turns them into men. Which is unappealing to most men and women.

Learning to handle the feminine is a very tricky skill. It requires learning emotional manipulation. Men are never taught this tricky skill.

Edited Friday at 11:22 PM by Leo Gura

[OBEler]

@Leo Gura what exactly do you mean by emotionaly manipulation?

They can sense if you manipulate their emotions and then it gets really difficult because they feel then like in a cage where they cannot be free in emotional outbreak.

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, OBEler said:

They can sense if you manipulate their emotions and then it gets really difficult

In a simplistic sense of manipulation yes.

But there is a deeper sense of manipulation where they cannot tell and they in fact need it and want it.

"Manipulation" should not be taken in the negative sense here.

In the end, the feminine does not care about truth, it cares about feelings. So as long as its feelings are right it does not care how it got there, which means it actually wants to be manipulated into right feelings and if you fail to do this in favor of truth, it will hold it against you. No matter what the feminine says, in the end it cares about feelings, not anything else. This trips guys up because guys listen to the logic of the words, assuming the feminine takes the logic of anything seriously. It does not. In this way the feminine confounds the masculine. The naive masculine is fooled by this, but the mature masculine is wise to it.

Edited Friday at 11:50 PM by Leo Gura

[Raze]

43 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's generally good advice when dealing with the feminine.

As a man you have to learn to emotionally manipulate women.

This sounds bad, but feminine women need and want their emotions managed. Children also need their emotions managed. The whole challenge of being a man is that you must deliver results with no one else to comfort you or manage your emotions. Women can operate that way too, but then they lose their feminine qualities and become masculine, which makes them unattractive.

The problem though is that this irresponsibility over one's own emotions in women cannot ultimately work. It must fail because life is far too serious to manage without being fully in control over your emotions. The feminine way of life is just not suitable for serious survival. It works when survival is relatively easy. Which is why feminine women often need men to take care of survival for them. The more she's able to handle very difficult survival, the less feminine she's gonna be. So there's a tradeoff between survival effectiveness and feminine innocence. If you want a very feminine girl then you gotta be ready to take care of her more, manipulate her emotions for her, etc. And in that sense it is like dealing with a child because the child cannot handle its own survival. That's the common thread.

Women are fully capable of taking care of themselves. The problem is that basically turns them into men. Which is unappealing to most men and women.

Learning to handle the feminine is a very tricky skill. It requires learning emotional manipulation. Men are never taught this tricky skill.

If femininity doesn’t have a survival purpose why did women evolve to be feminine and men evolve to be attracted to it? 

Edited Friday at 11:51 PM by Raze

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, Raze said:

If femininity doesn’t have a survival purpose

I didn't say that at all. Feminine is all about survival.

Every creature is only able to survive within a narrow niche. A fish cannot survive on the moon.

The feminine is designed to survive in a narrow situation: where the masculine provides a survival container. As long as that container is given, the feminine thrives. The feminine is designed for raising children within the survival container of the masculine. And no amount of LGBTQ ideology is going to change that. This is the delusion of leftist gender politics.

Masculine is the ocean in which the feminine fish swims.

Edited Saturday at 12:22 AM by Leo Gura

[Lyubov]

The thing is though people try to stay on just one side of this duality and in doing so turn it into a pendulum at their expense, swinging radically from one side to the other. Masculinity / femininity are fluid qualities not absolutes about how one must live moment to moment in order to live good. It's not really possible to live aligned with truth from my experience if you try to live just as a totally feminine woman or a totally masculine man. In real life you have to find a balance of both and be able to wear both hats at times, it's like a dance or juggling, there's a rhythm to it in relationships. 

I've found the feminine values truth just as much as masculinity does. Men will not understand how women communicate and also lack experience in life, impose their expectations for how things should work, so they see women as less honest. I don't believe that to be true. Expecting someone else to see the world the same way as you and communicate in the same way as you is a form of self deception and not aligned with truth itself. 
 

[Hojo]

I said the same thing and got a warning. I say treat women like 12 year olds not out of spite but because they seem to not get as dark as males minds get or most of them don't. Mens minds are like x10 000 more dark then women's and when talking we have to switch our minds into child mode.

Not nessesarily treat women like 12 year olds more turn into a 12 year old when dealing with women. When you think like a sex depraved lunatic in your mind your body will show in micro actions. You have to stop every mature thought in your mind when talking or thinking about women or your body will subconsciously react to what you are thinking and fuck it up.

Every eye movement and hand movement will show the person you have alterior motives in your mind.

Edited Saturday at 12:23 AM by Hojo

[Basman]

Teal Swan talks a lot about "containment" and how necessary it is for women in dating. It's basically just a fluffy way of saying to take care of women's survival needs and make them the focus of your attention. Remembering their birthdays and shit.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

34 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I didn't say that at all. Feminine is all about survival.

Every creature is only able to survive within a narrow niche. A fish cannot survive on the moon.

The feminine is designed to survive in a narrow situation: where the masculine provides a survival container. As long as that container is given, the feminine thrives. The feminine is designed for raising children within the survival container of the masculine. And no amount of LGBTQ ideology is going to change that. This is the delusion of leftist gender politics.

Good points, the power of being able to maintain that container is the essence of the masculine polarity.

I think also, your other points above are valid. The choice of the word 'manipulation' is catching people, as most have negative attachments to their definition. If users read the above by substituting the word 'guide' in, the same concepts are conveyed.

It's a common theme on the forum - users negative/positive attachment to words blind them to the overall meaning. 

Edited Saturday at 12:29 AM by Natasha Tori Maru

[Natasha Tori Maru]

3 hours ago, BlessedLion said:

 And full honesty I think in general women are just more conscious then men 

Shhhh we must not speak truths men aren't ready for!

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Natasha Tori Maru said:

Shhhh we must not speak truths men aren't ready for!

This, men, is where you learn to keep your mouth shut. Let the woman feel she's right

Edited Saturday at 12:33 AM by Leo Gura

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Dead (ಥ◡ಥ)

I keep walking into your traps!

[gambler]

This explains why my younger sister has always been an airhead and why my logical attempts have never worked.