Understanding transgenderism.

[Majed]

From an ontological perspective, we can have two models of reality, reality is either fixed, static and material, or infinitely fluid, flexible, and changing. I would argue that the second point of view is the one that is correct. To prove this point, i can argue that different individuals view reality in different ways, like different species of animals experience and view reality differently based on their physiology and biology. From the materialist paradigm, non human animals are less powerful than human animals hence they're inferior because less powerful, from the idealist paradigm, non human animals experience reality in an ontologically different way than human animals hence literally living in alternative reality. I would say that the second explanation is a wiser and truer way of understanding animals. Also from the idealist paradigm, altered states of consciousness aren't seen as deprived from truth, but are seen as different dimensions of reality. In this context schizophrenic hallucinations and psychedelic experiences, are different ways of experiencing reality, rather than being just false. And i think this is also a truer and wiser way of understanding psychedelic experiences and schizophrenia. From an idealist perspective and point of view, transgenderism and gender fluidity is absolutely correct and there's nothing wrong with it, from the materialist paradigm it's a mental disorder, a sin or a delusion. And i would say for all these reasons, the idealist paradigm is the correct one. 

[Yimpa]

Being trans is absolutely wrong, which is what makes is Good.

[Breakingthewall]

The problem I see with being trans is that it's so all-consuming. Everything revolves around being trans, nothing matters except the trans issue, and all for something as silly as gender. Who cares about that?

Gender it's over all how others perceive you, and obsessing over how others perceive you is always a bad idea.

Edited yesterday at 06:35 PM by Breakingthewall

[enchanted]

15 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The problem I see with being trans is that it's so all-consuming. Everything revolves around being trans, nothing matters except the trans issue, and all for something as silly as gender. Who cares about that?

Gender it's over all how others perceive you, and obsessing over how others perceive you is always a bad idea.

Ya it's the issue of our time and the obsession will subside when it's generally accepted. Then another issue will come along that progressive will saberrattle over. That's how all things in society change. I bet there was an uproar by some when women were first allowed credit cards. Then that subsided too as will the trans issue. Maybe Trump will round them up into a Gulag first lol. 

Trans people correctly allude to the fact that putting on a dress is just as arbitrary and strange whether you were born with a penis or a vagina. Some societies men wear skirts (Scotland etc). 

[Breakingthewall]

7 minutes ago, enchanted said:

Ya it's the issue of our time and the obsession will subside when it's generally accepted. Then another issue will come along that progressive will saberrattle over. That's how all things in society change. I bet there was an uproar by some when women were first allowed credit cards. Then that subsided too as will the trans issue. Maybe Trump will round them up into a Gulag first lol. 

Trans people correctly allude to the fact that putting on a dress is just as arbitrary and strange whether you were born with a penis or a vagina. Some societies men wear skirts (Scotland etc). 

I mean that absorbs all the energy of the person who is trans, it's very hard for them

[Jodistrict]

The problem I have with this issue is the use of authoritarianism to enforce trans beliefs.

I have seen videos of women, where a trans enters their group, they are expected to treat him as a woman, even though none of them actually believe he is a woman.  If they express their real beliefs that he is not a woman they will be accused of misgendering, transphobia, or even penalized by authority in some way.  In my opinion, this is gaslighting.  It is psychologically destructive to see something as true with your own eyes but you are not allowed to express your truth and you are expected to conform to a false reality.   If trans are going to become more visible in society, then the views of women who don’t believe trans are women should also be respected.  There should be space for both.  Having this enforced by the government and institutions with penalties for non compliance is an authoritarian ideology and not organic.  

[carterfelder]

I encourage everyone to embrace their unchangeable sex, express themselves in a way that is consistent with their biology (e.g. men have 300–1,000 ng/dL testosterone, women have 15–70 ng/dL), and to embrace social roles that encourage attraction, love and balance in relationships, which help to create harmony in the family unit (thanks mom and dad).

Transgender Ideology/Gender Identity is a belief system for the weak, frustrated and sometimes angry who want to be seen and acknowledged without doing the hard work to get the attention and/or relationships they ultimately desire.

Edited yesterday at 07:30 PM by carterfelder

[Elliott]

I think that it even has a name, the recognition of it at all, is because of and to deal with the difficulties of it in life, how to navigate the "materialists paradigm" with it.

No different than lust, materialism, ego, greed, people think differently, feel differently, like different things, and for all different reasons.

I think the political problem is people not understanding the difference between giving someone room and personal agency, and promoting self destruction, resulting in hate for someone they don't understand. The history is already here, it's not an experiment, these people kill themselves when they're denied personal agency. There's no Bible camp that has ever "fixed" them, that's just lazy, actually it's beyond lazy now, it's contemptuous, it's vile and sinister.

Edited 8 hours ago by Elliott

[Basman]

An idealistic perspective alone isn't sufficient for meaningful dialogue because we live in a non-ideal world. Society is a cooperation which necessitates the existence of different perspective. There needs to be room for conversation, which an idealistic perspective isn't equipped to deal with. It just wants to push its conclusions. Assuming meaningful dialogue is the goal.

[Adrian colby]

@Majed there’s a biological basis to transgenderism. There are specific genetics and neurological structure identified with the condition including the way in which a person receptors interact with hormones that regulate cognition, mood and behaviour. It’s the same with people who have under developed gonads. The receptors don’t get the right ratio of sex hormone and they suffer disregulation as a result. That improves with HRT. Transgenderism is a variation of sexual component expression. ( amongst many other types of variation whether functional or dysfunctional). Biological variations are not mental disorders unless you are talking about a serious deformity in a persons brain. The diagnostics manuals have been instructed to keep the diagnosis as a mental issue for access to insurance. The diagnosis and terminology used is not morphologically correct. 
 

I was born this way and it’s been an eye opener to the delusion of the world. Removing my own identity to try and discover as objectively as possible what was going on was not an easy task and I was even conversationally attacked and socially excluded by other members of the trans community for questioning how the condition came about so I very quickly removed myself from the lgbtq culture and stopped identifying with the ‘trans’ community. Not even the doctors in charge of our care, tell the patients how the condition comes about. I’ve found myself educating locums and registrars in front of the consultants. I’ve been called to trans support groups to talk to patients about their own condition because no one has explained the biology of it to them. I find it highly unusual as most patients when diagnosed with a condition generally get the low down of how it works. 
 

it’s not wrong, it’s not a mental illness and it’s not an issue of contention. Publicity of the issue as it is circulating at the moment is caused by a lack of education or refusal to engage with direct study of it. There is so much conspiracy, misinformation and down right ignorance out there and I know this because I have the advantage of having to live it directly and taken part in studies to find out for myself what components this body I inhabit, is expressing. 
 

I’ve gone through the deconstruction process and dissolved my reality back to a singularity beyond the light of consciousness. I know ‘what’ I am beyond i and I understand the construction of this ‘me’ I experience now. I do not hold an identity other than to relate and interact with others. Besides that, it is a character I express through but I still honor the underlying biology through which it expresses. That biology has both male and female components and I cannot change that. Nor am I sorry for the people who are uncomfortable with it or who refuse to understand or even bother to study it to understand it. Unless someone is ‘told’, it doesn’t exist in my daily life. No one knows about it and I’m not affected at all other than when someone ignorantly imposes on me which is very rare especially since my legal documentation has all been corrected.  I’ve had full reconstructive surgery which occured before my awakening and looking back it was to conform to societal stereotypes and to come into alignment with what was expected of me as a male. I would still do it after awakening as I accept and love who I am. It has acted as a catalyst for learning and exposing many things about the mind and reality. 
 

I don’t go around identifying as trans. I’m a man, a husband, a brother and a son. I don’t condemn people who choose to identify as whatever they want but I see it as just more identity on top of identity that’s drawing more conflict into their lives but that is at a social level. Their underlying biology is still valid. 
 

yes the entire thing is a spiritual illusion dreamed up by an infinite mind but it is expressing, exploring and feeding back the learning and growth of its mind by what it experiences through each of these unique lives and scenarios. Dismissing any of it is bypassing and failing to accept ( love) learn, understand and integrate it all back into a unity. I’ve gone so much further in my understanding of the mind and consciousness even to go beyond and glimpse the non experience of existence just being for itself when the light or consciousness contracts right back from a unity to just ‘the one’, because of the ability to drop identification with sex and gender. It’s just a part of the body and I am not that at the end of the day, I just inhabit and experience it for a life so I will express it to its fullest potential. 
 

I have moments where I wake up in the morning in disbelief that I’m actually one of these people and actually experiencing what it is like to be this. And it is absolutely baffling the amount of ignorance and hatred out there. Because in my own direct experience, most of the stuff that people say and speculate about a person like me… I have never once experienced. They talk n circles and speculate about things they quite literally haven’t got a clue about. . 
 

I know it’s easy to say just develop genuine curiosity and ask questions but most people who are trans and conform to liberal/progressive lgbtq culture as part of their identity, are deeply wounded by their groups generational trauma and have a very angry and defensive mindset. I know what that feels like. I was there before awakening. Most people are angry and in survival mode before awakening but you got to try to understand that from this point of view the anger stems from repeated and relentless dismissal, disrespect  ( for years and sometimes it’s constant) or worse, actual attack, harm or situations where one wouldn’t be mistaken that their life was in danger. I’m not in agreement that any of that should be happening but if you go around proclaiming an identity rather than just getting on with your life, your going to cause problems for yourself but if you notice, that goes for everyone that’s more or less pre awakened not just the pronoun and gender identity brigade. 

( I’ve been so angry and hurt by people in the past that it has caused so much accute stress I had manifested chronic skin conditions the doctors had no idea where it came from. It miraculously dissapeared when I started getting the correct treatment. My depression also lifted when I started HRT as my receptors were no longer being starved. Any mental health issues were secondary and a result of societal pressures/ marginalisation, not the condition itself. The condition itself is more like a genetic mutation similar to what gives you your eye colour. Everyone is a little different but that is what sexual biology evolved for: throwing random mutation so it could exploit niches. There’s nothing inherently or intentionally wrong with the different types of people out there. 
 

when I stopped using labels to justify my existence, I simply went back to fulfilling my role and living life like everyone else. When I didn’t go around telling people, nobody knew or had a story to create around me so the condition didn’t exist for them nor did their need to disrespect or offend me based on their own misinformed assumption about it. While it is still biologically there, it is not a thing that manifests anywhere other than in peoples minds as a story. I’m the reality of it. I’m what they experience and interact with. A man. I sleep with my wife and there is no difference. She’s been with several guys before me and she says there is no difference physically. Trans does not exist in my life and I am not that story. I’m the reality that exists before any stories or falsities can be attached to it. So I don’t create stories I simply live. I don’t dismiss it, I integrate and learn from it. 
 

had I awakened before I went through it would I make the same decision? What decision. I became into a body that was born that way. Before or after awakening would make no difference to going through trying to align or conform my body. The difference would be had I been awakened before, I wouldn’t have been as distressed going through it. The circumstances wouldn’t have changed. 
 

I know most of this is not what you are referring to but I’m writing it for other readers too. 

[Yimpa]

@Adrian colby Nice, you should write a book on your journey. I’d be your first buyer AND you can sign my book! 

[integral]

@Adrian colby fantastic and refreshing! Thank you for sharing this, it's insightful reading the lived experience of someone that went through the whole journey.

When you started taking HRT how did your perception of yourself change? Because you're suggesting that it's a issue with the neurotransmitter being blocked so after that is treated did you suddenly feel comfortable in your body again? (not including Awakenings were you accepted yourself (transcended gender) and stopped conforming to society expectations of you)

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[aurum]

1 hour ago, Adrian colby said:

there’s a biological basis to transgenderism. There are specific genetics and neurological structure identified with the condition including the way in which a person receptors interact with hormones that regulate cognition, mood and behaviour. It’s the same with people who have under developed gonads. The receptors don’t get the right ratio of sex hormone and they suffer disregulation as a result. That improves with HRT. Transgenderism is a variation of sexual component expression. ( amongst many other types of variation whether functional or dysfunctional). Biological variations are not mental disorders unless you are talking about a serious deformity in a persons brain. The diagnostics manuals have been instructed to keep the diagnosis as a mental issue for access to insurance. The diagnosis and terminology used is not morphologically correct. 

Can you explain more about what you've learned regarding the biology?

Or perhaps point in the direction of specific resources to learn?

[integral]

9 hours ago, Majed said:

From an idealist perspective and point of view, transgenderism and gender fluidity is absolutely correct and there's nothing wrong with it, from the materialist paradigm it's a mental disorder, a sin or a delusion. And i would say for all these reasons, the idealist paradigm is the correct one. 

The idealist paradigm is also partial.

The gender question is "What is my identity"? <<< this is the core

The next paradigm is the construct-aware perspective: it recognizes there are effectively no genders, specifically because you’re no longer playing an identity game.

When you stop playing the identity game, you’re not searching for a gender that defines you. You recognize yourself as a fluid construction of masculine, feminine, or any other traits.

This can appear similar to the idealist perspective (which sees gender as fluid), but there’s one key difference: the construct-aware paradigm no longer plays the identity game at all.

For a materialist or an idealist, they remain vividly conscious that they are female, male or non-binary at all times, also known as identifying with ego. 

But when you stop playing these identity games, it never occurs to you what your ‘gender’ is. You don’t need to anchor your self-worth or identity in a gender label.

When you look in the mirror, you might see an alien, or God, or whatever you want—because at the construct-aware level it’s fluid.

In everyday life, you still have a personality that might be more masculine or feminine or whatever, but your self-worth and identity aren’t tied to it.

At some point you should recognize that any one gender label is grotesquely over generalized and can't possibly encapsulate anything meaningful. A gender role says so little.

And to be even fairer it's dead wrong because you are God!  

• Materialist/Idealist:
• More likely to wrestle with, “What is my gender identity?”
• Gender is still relevant to defining oneself (even if it’s fluid at the Idealist stage).
• Construct-Aware/Unitary:
• That question loses its grip; “identity” itself is seen as a construct.

Edited 20 hours ago by integral

[Elliott]

@Adrian colby do you have a suggestion on what to refer to this all as, if not 'transgenderism'?

Edited 20 hours ago by Elliott

[Princess Arabia]

@Adrian colbyBeautiful. You expressed that very well, imo, and you sound pretty grounded. It's so nice to see someone speak with such eloquence on such delicate matters and seem unbothered by the changing world. Reading that was very inspiring and could set an example for others going through the same thing or similar.

[Hojo]

One is doing it on 'purpose'. Very interesting. Whats on purpose. From my understanding you are saying schizophrenics are doing schizophrenia and transgenders are doing transgender and cant stop it? Its not a choice? This would argue to forcefully stop transgender the same way we do schizophrenics from knifing themselves, or to allow both to do whatever they want to themselves.

I dont think a schizophrenic wants to do what they are doing. They could be doing it unconsciously but the difference here is one is deemed to be unconscious and the other is deemed to be conscious. Do we want to consciously let people maim their body dramatically (It literally defines them to the core of their psychology via biology and dosent change when you cut your dick off, or you just become neutered mentally via castration), because of something going on in their brain programming? Or could there be an alternative where they can be themselves and not have to do something so dramatic to the body. The body is being traumatized. Even when you are unconscious your body is still receiving information and remembers.

The identity dosent work the way they are doing it. The core identity of self hatred is just put under the new identity.

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[Adrian colby]

@aurum  what i understand currently is that human sexual biology is dimorphic. Every human is born with the same fundamental organs and depending on which genetics are triggered, be it by biological or even environmental factors,  the organs develop one way or another, or should I say more accurately that they develop over a spectrum from female form and beyond into male form( some people get stuck in between for example when the genitals form part the way between female and male it is measured on the ‘Prader’ scale). A penis and clitoris are the same organ at different stages of development.  The gonads can become either ovaries or testis. They both produce testosterone. In the male, testosterone is converted into DHT and in female the testosterone is converted to oestrogen via aromatisation. Depending on the levels of production, the presence of adequate amount of conversion enzyme, a person can get stuck at any point along the spectrum of development. For a trans person ( properly known as GI gender incongruency) genitals, chromosomes and hormone production will be of one sex but they will contain genetic mutations like repeat length mutations in androgen receptor gene, oestrogen receptor gene, cyp17 , aromatase cyp19 which are associated with steroid genesis( hormone production/regulation. 
 

there was a huge argument about the brain sex study 20 years ago when it was found in post-mortem samples, trans brain sections ( bnst-I in the hypothalamus) resembled a neucleus count within the range of the sex the person claimed to be and it was the same before and after hormone therapy. The argument was that due to male and female brain sizes it was impossible to determine differences relative to each other and the widely varying sizes of brains anyway but brain sex was later supported in a recent study using AI and fMRI to identify male and female neurological structures ( not a trans study but a study in a string of studies to try and begin understanding neurological diseases like Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s etc that tend to affect one sex more than the other. 
 

the AI identified the sex of the person with over 90% accuracy from a sample of over a thousand American and the same again, European participants. The write up references 100 other studies looking into the same things between the late 1990’s and 2022.
https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2024/02/men-women-brain-organization-patterns.html#

using the new technology, a few trans studies were conducted ( 2023/24) showing neurology in the range of the sex the person claims to be, supporting the studies 20 years ago. 
 

the AI also had a monitoring program to show the researchers how it was identifying the patterns so they could learn what it was that was considered a differentiating region. 
 

I can try dig up those articles but the only one I was involved in was 2014 in Vienna so I know I have the cyp17 mutation. I have a repeat t-c mutation at position 34 on that gene. And so did most of the other trans males. Cis males also had that mutation but cis females didn’t. That was the difference between trans males and cis females. 
more recent studies replicating this showed the gene mutation did not appear in the Spanish population that was tested. 
 

this study was also interesting verifying brain sex looks like it’s wired before birth

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sax-sex/201903/new-study-blows-old-ideas-about-girls-and-boys

at this point it is important to mention mosaic theory. Because a person body contains many components and each of those components have a range of development, you can end up not with a spectrum but with a mosaic of variations. 
 

biological sex and societal influence both shape neurology. Minority stress ( constant surge of cortisone) effects a persons development and it leads to alot of health problems within marginalised or stigmatised populations. 
 

there is a push for gender study to be considered alongside sex study because of this as focus has been on the sexual biology side negating the influence of societal pressures in culture on a persons development leading to greater differentiation in gender role and neurological functions or ability.  This means that the results of early studies which were the result of cultural beleifs on gender stereotypes may have influenced the growing insistence on one sexes ability to do something better than the other, actually shaping that neurological development. 
 

because people contain many dimorphic structures it very hard to tell, if any, that there is a certain pre determined status. We are after all looking at infinite diversity as that is what presents to us from reality before we try to categorise it and standardise it. 
 

I found this article on the history of developments a good base to track down individual studies and also to see the way in which the trends of study went. 
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11440198/

[Apparition of Jack]

Honestly my take on these things is that I’ll never understand why people care so much about society’s opinions. Maybe it’s because I’m a straight male but I feel like even if I was gay, trans, whatever, I’d just accept that and not really care if other people don’t “get it.”

 It I was born with a penis but then had it removed and filled myself with hormones, I honestly wouldn’t surprise me that most people wouldn’t really know what the fuck I was doing. That’s incredibly fringe behaviour and accepting that you live in a collective context makes life like 97% easier. Of course, if someone was being outright dangerous towards me I’d tell them to fuck off and demand something be done, but at the same time I wouldn’t just focus on that as if that’s all that defined my identity (also risk is an inherent part of life for all humans so there’s that too🤷‍♀️ )

I mean fuck, I know it’s not the same as transgenderism but I sometimes get jealous of drag queens just for how much fucking *fun* they have. Why does everything have to be so goddamn miserable with these people?

[Adrian colby]

@Elliott transgenderism is an umbrella term used for a variety of conditions and in my case I would argue it is not descriptive of my experience. Yes for the sake of making distinctions and pointing to something a term needs to be used but I would rather it was actually descriptive.

i didn’t suddenly turn around one day and declare myself to be something. I was always that gender so there wasn’t a moment I migrated my gender from one thing to another so there was no transmigration. 
 

transexual might be more accurate but I was born with gonadal disgenesis and components that are both female and male. I did have surgery so there’s nothing I I have that isn’t functionally male now.  I wasn’t just female before and male after so I wouldn’t have said I transmigrated my biological sex rather aligned part of it to match the rest. So I would fall into the category of the originally known condition that would have been called transsexual being treated with full surgery, hormone replacement and support psychotherapy throughout.

puting something in alignment would mean it was incongruent but still there to an extent so the term Gender incongruency is used in quite a few medical settings. It’s an incongruency between sexual biology components that is known by the expression of the gender so it involves both sex and gender. An alignment of one and affirmation of the other. The word disorder is no longer used. 
 

not all people get treatment or surgery or full surgery even but are classified the same way and now we have a ton more ‘identities’ to struggle with. A conversation with a surgeon recently I asked about the changing demographic and he said the group you would have originally referred to as butch lesbians are mostly the ones now identifying as non binary so they hormone block and opt for chest surgery. That’s all that’s really changed in the last 10 years. 
 

progressive and liberal cultures have recognised allot of social constructs but instead of seeing their social importance in role and structure ( according to traditional views) they have expanded into a free for all. 
 

I mentioned in another response that some studies suggest that our neurology is not just biological but also shaped by external influences so by conforming and beleiving there are sexual/gender roles and ability ( men better than women at some things) we grown up being influenced by that and shaping our neurology causing greater disparities between perceived genders that reflect in the structure of the brain. This is seen as differing from culture to culture where those that hold men women more equal show less difference in neurological structure and general aptitude/ ability between men and women. The warning is that by claiming drastic biological difference, it influences reinforcing cultural or external influences creating more drastic divisions. 
 

I’m old blood from the simple man or woman era, pick one and get on with life… so I’ve struggled to understand and incorporate the non binary and pronoun crowd. But if mosaic theory is more accurately describing the dimorphism of humanity and variety that expresses from it then I can begin to see where the multiple identities are coming from. It’s reality yet again refusing to be categorised but we like our labels to justify our existence. 
 

I got my treatment and was discharged from the clinic years ago. I was first in my country to go through the full process and I was 17 at the time it started. I was monitored as having a problem since I was 5. And the whole thing was not completed till I was 27. I had no adverse affects or complications other than severe distress and suicide attempts in the beginning nearing my teens as no one really knew what was wrong or what to do until I was passed to a doctor who knew about it ( he and a few others noticed a deficit in care in my country so they moved here and provided care for the small group in the country. There were only 200 in the clinic back then and there are around a thousand on the books now. I’m now 42, married and none of it is an issue nor does it exist. I can’t label what is not there. I don’t identify with things that don’t occur within myself or my life. It simply doesn’t exist. The question then remains: why do people need to identify me? What exactly is it that they are trying to point at? And this is where I suggest what is being talked about is nothing more than a story that can’t be said to exist. I don’t wear my past ‘thoughts’ or manifestations in the present. They are nowhere to be found. 
 

I keep an eye on research certainly as the more that gets uncovered the more fluid humans seem to become.

i personally don’t want to loose the roles of man and woman because I enjoy and appreciate what those things are. I also have no problem expanding to include other types of roles and appreciate what those are too and I will eventually adapt after a short struggle to integrate the possibility of those new types of people into my reality map. I know they have probably always been around like myself but we are trying to move into an awareness of a more expanded acceptance of reality. I don’t think humans are quite ready to drop all categorisation and deal with the diversity of reality just yet. I understand that is quite destabilising. 
 

for now, I call people what they introduce themselves to me as and I personally don’t categorise. I am confronted by divinity in one of its many infinitely diverse forms as it is presenting and exploring itself in that instance.