The Reality of Morality? - An introduction to Abdul Qadir Jilani

[gengar]

Been thinking of suicide ever since and have gotten close.I think about it every day.

I've also been a weed addict for 9 years since I was 15. I quit cold turkey the 7th of January this year including quitting of cigarrettes and haven't looked back since. I was afraid of actually killing myself and not moving on in life and drug addiction was ruining me and my finances.

Tbh, I'm still contemplating whether I should kill myself or not. It's already quite clear for me that this suffering will continue for the rest of my life and that I will never be truly happy in this life and always suffer to some degree. Whether that degree is a lot or less, that might vary and be slightly in my control. But I suffer everyday which I didn't before that faithful period of decay in 2023.

But everytime I got close to getting on a train, to go to a cliffy area to throw myself off a cliff, I thought of two things; 

-my parents crying, me destroying their life because of my suicide

-the idea of how wrong suicide is, that somehow morality is real and not imaginary, and that I will face judgement for it and go to hell in the afterlife. If you believe that consciousness is eternal, which I have become conscious of, suicide doesn't really help you, since your consciousness will continue anyway, it will either be good, bad or neutral. Maybe it will all be random but I have an intuition your actions do have influence on it.

It got me thinking a lot about what is even the point of living if you can't be healthy and not suffer for your entire life, plus the thought of hell, got me interested in religion. This is one of my favorite audio segments for when I am losing faith:
 

It's by an Islamic spiritual master, one of the greatest of all time, who lived in Baghdad in the middle ages.
It goes deep into faith and giving up worldly pleasures for spiritual gain. It gives meaning to suffering it out and caring for others, being on the spiritual and religious path, and staying away from worldly excess.

I hope some of you can appreciate this wonderful man and his teachings. this is another great one:
 

Confronting the listener with their own inner hypocrisy and lack of integrity towards real spiritual growth and the Real.


To leave you with a metaphysical, philosophical question:

If all morals are imaginary, what would be the reason that so many people suffer in this life? If there are no morals (and thus no karma , not anything that can influence the next life) , it doesn't matter whether there is or isn't a next life, since no action can influence it. suicide would for many people be the best option, considering this. But this conflicts with the world and our life, namely, why would God create our life full of suffering if there is absolutely no meaning or challenge to it? God creates everything with perfect reason and doesn't let anything go to waste. So why create suffering at all if it has no meaning? that would make the escape of suffering the best possible course of action in all cases, since suffering is by itself bad (A=A), and there is nothing outside of A=A, like honor, others, judgement, that is tied to facing suffering in a less cowardly way.

I would love to hear what you have to say about this philosophical question as well,  @Leo Gura, since you seem to be a proponent of nihilism.

[Breakingthewall]

I don't see suicide as an option. I see life as a path to deepen and ascend. Perhaps is not, but intuitively, that's what it seems. Any opportunity must be seized; you have to fight to the end. It can be hard, extremely hard: old age, paralysis, dependency, loneliness. It can really be difficult, but I think you can always find a path to greater openness, greater depth. In the end, you die, and you've done your job.

If you commit suicide, it seems cowardly to me, unless it's to avoid being a burden. Although, who knows, perhaps in a situation of incurable illness, it's the only viable option. You never know what is going to happen next