The harsh truth about women -Nietsche

[meta_male]

9 minutes ago, Chives99 said:

Maybe I’m looking in the wrong places...

Or maybe you don't have to look at all and sit back and relax. The soul level connection is a hoax..

[Chives99]

@Twentyfirst what is underground market lol

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

51 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Birth control disconnects the reason for sex by removing the possibility of children so people see sex as a standalone thing. I don't believe this but you can argue that female pleasure does not produce children but only male pleasure does as it's the male orgasm that has the seed. You could have 10 kids after a 3 minute sex session each totaling a half hour of the activity to produce 10 children. I think sex is overblown and it crazes peoples minds and causes drama, addiction, infidelity, and so much more

Sex is fun though but should be kept in check

I think people's selfishness is the biggest hurdle to overcome in both relationships and in regards to children, like, if both men and women understood each other, were very aware of their flaws and genuinely took responsibility over their flaws (that one's very important) and served each's needs and applied the same mindset to their children then most problems would just dissapear. It's the selfishness, narcisism, lack of self awareness and not taking responsibility and taking concrete actions to fix their flaws while also being genuinely unwilling to serve the needs of the other that creates all the relationship problems. And the problem with all this is that, even if you as a man (or you as a woman) were to do all these things on your part, there's no guarantee that the other party would be willing to do the same for you, i.e. meet you half way.

So it's not so much about any one specific isolated thing but just about the general attitude and self absorbtion in an attempt to serve only ones interests. Our interests should be taken care off but ideally in a natural way

Edited Friday at 03:46 PM by NewKidOnTheBlock

[Princess Arabia]

5 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

@Princess Arabia The reason it's so easy to trick women into sex is because women don't really put themselves into the shoes of men and because they underestimate men. Men will literally invent things just to get laid and since women aren't gonna go out of their way to sex they think men too won't go that far out of their way for sex. Men will build entire underground pick up spheres to get laid and then go out every day and take notes and discuss/compare those notes and create an entire science of what works and what doesn't. Women can't understand that

Women have to be taught these things. Sad that there's a need to have to trick. I don't think a guy who honestly cares for a woman, has her best interest in mind, wants her for more than just sex feels the need to have to trick her into bed. Why do men think women should adjust themselves to meet their horny standards is beyond me. We don't need to understand why you're so hungry for sex. You need to understand that's your position and to find ways and means without having to trick your way into it to get those needs met. 

[Twentyfirst]

7 minutes ago, Chives99 said:

@Twentyfirst what is underground market lol

I will assume you are a westerner 

Undergound market is sex, money, manipulation, transactions, deception, power dynamics. It also includes things such as side chicks, prostitution, mistresses, side dudes, ghosting, pimp and hoe dynamic, sugar babies, bdsm, escorts and things similar to this

Dating market USED to be casual fun, open ended, surprising, short term in the moment and USED to be a road to marriage without the virginity or parents decision and on a longer timeline to see if you like the person or not because the values are not shared you will have to check off other boxes

Marriage market is courting, intentions, structured by god/family/culture, future based, based on common values and goals. This is basically arranged or semi arranged marriages facilitated by the family or church with both husband and wife having basically virginity still and waiting until actual wedlock to have kids. You don't wait long to get to know the person as long as everything else checks out you just marry right away 

Now because of western feminism, red pill, mgtow, decentering men, passport bros, black pill, incels, father removed from house, divorces, removal of slut shaming...all these traditions being stripped away the dating market and underground market have basically merged into one. Now only 5 percent of people who go through the dating market will actually live a full live with an intact family (spouse, children) and the rest will fall off at some point and have miserable situations

Some say the dating market was hijacked. Others say it was always doomed from the beginning and the marriage market was the only true way

Of course we can wait longer to see how it all plays out and throw more guinea pigs into the experiment grinder lol

 

[Twentyfirst]

14 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Women have to be taught these things. Sad that there's a need to have to trick. I don't think a guy who honestly cares for a woman, has her best interest in mind, wants her for more than just sex feels the need to have to trick her into bed. Why do men think women should adjust themselves to meet their horny standards is beyond me. We don't need to understand why you're so hungry for sex. You need to understand that's your position and to find ways and means without having to trick your way into it to get those needs met. 

I never really tricked a girl into sex even though I could've. A lot of model quality girls I missed out on for many reasons due to my own values. But I have also captured a lot of women's hearts the old fashioned way

I will teach my future daughter that she should only unlock her virginity to the man I give permission to. Giving me full control. I don't trust her to make logical decisions against predators like Tate who have personal assistants whose only job is to find female targets and message them a script on his behalf 

[nerdspeak]

eh. people in the 60s panicked about how highways, trains, birth control and no-fault divorce changed gender relations. things are changing because of technology but it's not really a big deal, there are soooo many people. 

you can find what you want. 

[nerdspeak]

1 minute ago, Twentyfirst said:

I will teach my future daughter that she should only unlock her virginity to the man I give permission to. Giving me full control. I don't trust her to make logical decisions against predators like Tate who have personal assistants whose only job is to find female targets and message them a script on his behalf 

predators like Tate are rare, this sounds like an overreaction. 

[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

eh. people in the 60s panicked about how highways, trains, birth control and no-fault divorce changed gender relations. things are changing because of technology but it's not really a big deal, there are soooo many people. 

you can find what you want. 

Yes the third thing that people say. 1st is that dating got hijacked. 2nd is that dating was always doomed to fail and arranged marriages are the only way.

This is the 3rd. That this is all part of evolution and that all societies will have to go through this gender war and broken family disaster to come out of the other side better than anything we had before

[Twentyfirst]

1 minute ago, nerdspeak said:

predators like Tate are rare, this sounds like an overreaction. 

Tate is just a polished predator. Many guys wish they could do that but don't know the pimp game well enough. These guys are called simps which is the opposite of a pimp. I don't want my son to be a simp or my daughter to get pimped

[nerdspeak]

8 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

Tate is just a polished predator. Many guys wish they could do that but don't know the pimp game well enough. These guys are called simps which is the opposite of a pimp. I don't want my son to be a simp or my daughter to get pimped

There are guys like that but that's the most damaged 10-20%.

Men who are a bit more secure don't have the desire to "pimp," that drive comes from trust issues. 

When I was in my 20s I had lots of short-term relationships but some of them turned into longer-term more serious things that lasted a few years. I don't think I "pimped" these girls even if it was a one-night stand, we were having fun.

I think if you told these women they got "pimped" they would be offended, and say that they were having fun and liked it but it didn't go anywhere serious. 

If you're talking about teenagers, yeah okay, maybe they should be protected and just date people from their high school and college, that I agree. 

Edited Friday at 04:16 PM by nerdspeak

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

And how can you talk about men using women for sex when you are equally using men for their money?

How am I USING men for their money when they're the ones that come to me, approach me, knows exactly what they're getting into nobody gets hurt, nobody gets lied to and it's between consenting willing adults. By your statement everybody in life is using everybody else for everything. We can argue that. Why are you on this forum. You are using this forum to get some need of yours met. Why does your employer hire you. He's using you to do a job he needs done. I could go on for decades. Do you say an employer is using their employees and that the employees are using their employers for money. No, why in this case. Plenty of rotten unsuspecting wives are out there right now using their husbands for money but are fucking respected on the outskirts by people because they are wives and not hookers who are doing a job. Hookers aren't using their clients, it's a fucking job, unless you look at having and doing a job as using people. Lying to get sex is not a job. Using a woman for sex is OK but only if she's willing and is OK with being used this way. That's the difference.

[Twentyfirst]

26 minutes ago, nerdspeak said:

There are guys like that but that's the most damaged 10-20%.

Men who are a bit more secure you don't have the desire to "pimp," that drive comes from trust issues. 

When I was in my 20s I had lots of short-term relationships but some of them turned into longer-term more serious things that lasted a few years. I don't think I "pimped" these girls even if it was a one-night stand, we were just having fun.

I think if you told these women they got "pimped" they would be offended, and say that they were having fun and liked it but it didn't go anywhere serious. 

If you're talking about teenagers, yeah okay, maybe they should be protected and just date people from their high school and college, that I agree. 

All it takes is one pimp to damage a girl for life. For every pimp there is 1,000 women. How many girls did tate have sex with? In a free for all market 90 percent of girls swarm to 10 percent of guys

Anyways I am not a fan of the dating market regardless. I do not see the point of it

I like the marriage only market better and I see it result in more success than anything else

Edited Friday at 04:44 PM by Twentyfirst

[Princess Arabia]

17 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

I will teach my future daughter that she should only unlock her virginity to the man I give permission to. Giving me full control.

Lol. One reason why humans appear to suffer. They think they're controlling anything. When life shows us otherwise.....WE WAKE UP...hehe good luck with that. I understand, though, it's a culture thing and a social conditioning. I remember your statements from a past thread about feminist women and how you're in control and blah blah blah.

You'll definitely be a turn on to a very submissive woman who likes to be tied up, whipped and be dominated by a dominant male and who she can be a servant to and maybe have role play sex of you choking her to the verge of asphyxiation as she climaxes and screams for more. That's your ideal mate. Sorry, I went a bit overboard there, I was lost in fantasy...

 

 

 

 

[Twentyfirst]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Lol. One reason why humans appear to suffer. They think they're controlling anything. When life shows us otherwise.....WE WAKE UP...hehe good luck with that. I understand, though, it's a culture thing and a social conditioning. I remember your statements from a past thread about feminist women and how you're in control and blah blah blah.

You'll definitely be a turn on to a very submissive woman who likes to be tied up, whipped and be dominated by a dominant male and who she can be a servant to and maybe have role play sex of you choking her to the verge of asphyxiation as she climaxes and screams for more. That's your ideal mate. Sorry, I went a bit overboard there, I was lost in fantasy...

 

 

 

 

We already went over this

It's the feminist independent woman that needs to feel dominated as a way to balance out the extreme independence and decision making. Why do you think 50 shades of grey which is a bdsm book gained so much popularity during the same time as the me too movement which was about shaming mens dominance 

The traditional submissive housewife is not a doormat and is actually much stronger than the tik tok boss babe who is constantly paranoid and on edge from overworking and disappointing relationships and the traditional women is more likely to be satisfied by vanilla sex

I don't see the issue in controlling women's reproduction. I don't want my daughter to marry some man who can't make decisions and I don't want her having a child with some guy who will run off to create more baby mamas elsewhere. Find me a better alternative and I will consider it 

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

@Princess Arabia Prostitution belongs to a job group akin to cleaning sewers or cleaning public toilets imo, it's trying to solve certain problems of society in a dishonourable, non-ideal way. It's just 100x more paid. You cannot compare them to honourable jobs.

I wouldn't want to look at relationships and sex the way you do, so transactionally

Edited Friday at 04:38 PM by NewKidOnTheBlock

[Princess Arabia]

3 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

Prostitution belongs to a job group akin to cleaning sewers or cleaning public toilets imo, it's trying to solve certain problems of society in a dishonourable, non-ideal way. It's just 100x more paid. You cannot compare them to honourable jobs.

Sorry but I don't consider my engaging with someone in a respectable manner, having a great time enjoying life in the moment through some form of creative aspect in life as in going to dinner, dancing, going out for walks or vacationing while getting paid something that belongs in the sewer. I think tricking an unsuspecting girl to get in her pants just to shoot a load is. 

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, Twentyfirst said:

I don't see the issue in controlling women's reproduction. I don't want my daughter to marry some man who can't make decisions and I don't want her having a child with some guy who will run off to create more baby mamas elsewhere. Find me a better alternative and I will consider it 

How about trying to do your best to raise her in a way where she can be responsible enough to make her own decisions on the matter and maybe act in ways where she can use you as a role model for how she chooses her former mates. 

[Twentyfirst]

5 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

How about trying to do your best to raise her in a way where she can be responsible enough to make her own decisions on the matter and maybe act in ways where she can use you as a role model for how she chooses her former mates. 

Nah, I will choose for her because that's how it was with my mom, my grandma, and so on

You only want change if the situation you are in is bad

[Princess Arabia]

13 minutes ago, NewKidOnTheBlock said:

I wouldn't want to look at relationships and sex the way you do, so transactionally

You're the one that called me a prostitute, I never once said I was that, I say I'm a working girl or maybe an escort. Cant be that much of a prostitute without having much sex, now can you. That's why I stay away from that word as a description. I escort for a living and I work. Take that how you wish. I don't look at sex any how, you're projecting that belief unto me. We've never sat down and discussed how i view sex so that's your idea. If a male and a female both decide to do transactional sex, you seem you'd point the finger at her and her alone for doing it transactionally. I look at a job as a job. I can't see how you can have sex with someone you don't care for. Such intimate details shared and such intimate parts being used. How can you. Transactionally, maybe. You do me and i do you. Please, don't be a hypocrite.