The harsh truth about women -Nietsche

[Leo Gura]

7 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Please guys, don't justify why you're lying. We already know you're lying no need to double down on it. 

It's not about lying outright, it's about knowing when to keep your mouth shut.

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'Can't tell women the truth" comment response. What truth? Is the question. 

What truth?

Can't say, since women would get upset.

I've already said too much.

Edited Friday at 01:14 AM by Leo Gura

[Ulax]

11 hours ago, Davino said:

I know what you mean Leo but this has toxic vibes from a mile away. Be careful what you say, comments like this sound awful.

I agree. 

Way too much of a black and white statement. It’s a toxic comment imo

 

Edited Friday at 12:33 AM by Ulax

[Jayson G]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Everyone with power is a liar.

You are even lying to yourself that you will get and hold power without lying. Even your desire for power is based on lies you tell yourself.

If there's one thing you can certain of, it's that Tate is a massive liar.

@Leo Gura I sort of asked this in a different way in the past, but how does that correlate to life purpose? 

Today I'm imagining all the ways I can transform society. There's so many amazing opportunities coming up due to AI, not in the crappy marketing ways, but actually creating world-class software and stuff. 

And as I'm dreaming big, and build my platform every day, it's a sort of life mastery software, sometimes I get concerned that it could get to say 500k+ users perhaps, and put me in a position of power, and as we're studying here on actualized.org - people in power tend to be more corrupt. 

How do you sort of reconcile those 2 things - pursuing life purpose to transform the world, elevate mankind, and solve problems, yet that puts one in a position of power, and does that power naturally make you a more corrupt, lying person? Or perhaps is that inevitable, but you just accept it, and focus on minimizing that, and becoming more conscious over time, while also elevating mankind?

The system I'm building, I don't see how it can be used to harm. Minimal social media, it's just a life mastery system, where I don't necessarily even give people a philosophy or dogma, but rather the structures to create their own sense of reality, and figure it out for themselves. It's more like a commonplace book system.

I also don't care that much about money. In the sense, my plan is if I make hypothetically 100 million dollars, I keep 10 million for me and my family, and 90 million give it away to good causes. I don't even want to deal with the headache of excessive money and power, but it seems like often that it is inevitable if you are ambitious with your life purpose (in certain types of life purposes)

I can hear myself telling myself: "So say I do go down this path, and do a lot of good for humanity, but in the process my lying and corruption as a human being will go up. It's almost like .. does more good for humanity = more corrupting and lying humans?" Idk if I'm missing something here? 

Edited Friday at 12:48 AM by Jayson G

[Emerald]

@Leo Gura You seem to believe that your cynical views on human relationships is reflective of truth.

But if you really care about what's true like you say you do, you'd be wise to question whether that's the reality or whether it is just a smudge on your own glasses.

[Natasha Tori Maru]

Oh my gosh!

This entire dialogue again - history doomed to repeat.

This conversation genuinely comes across as so low consciousnesses.

Please - I put forth no judgement in the above

Women are humans just like you. 

We are your mothers, your sisters, your grandmothers. 

Female humans even go through menopause and live on. I am not sure any other female of other species lives on past child bearing age?

That 70 year old woman has a function. Custodians of knowledge & care.

All this inane dialogue does is divide you all.

Fuck this stupid 'human love' and 'love' distinction. There is NO DISTINCTION.

We are all the same and all one and all lit up by the light of the same energy.

The light of God!

[Leo Gura]

42 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

How do you sort of reconcile those 2 things - pursuing life purpose to transform the world, elevate mankind, and solve problems, yet that puts one in a position of power, and does that power naturally make you a more corrupt, lying person? Or perhaps is that inevitable, but you just accept it, and focus on minimizing that, and becoming more conscious over time, while also elevating mankind?

You do that by doing philosophy, reaching God/Good/Truth/Love, and using that to clean up your own corruption as best you can.

But keep in mind, the small biz you're building is not serious power. If you were after serious power, that would require serious corruption. A small biz can get away with low corruption.

Edited Friday at 01:16 AM by Leo Gura

[gambler]

52 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not about lying outright, it's about knowing when to keep your mouth shut.

Well said.

[Jayson G]

49 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You do that by doing philosophy, reaching God/Good/Truth/Love, and using that to clean up your own corruption as best you can.

But keep in mind, the small biz you're building is not serious power. If you were after serious power, that would require serious corruption. A small biz can get away with low corruption.

@Leo Gura gotchya, that clarifies things a lot. 

[Princess Arabia]

Ok guys, we misunderstood Leo. He didn't mean to lie to women, but to just not say anything at all or maybe just tell her what she wants to hear as long as it's only a white lie and not an abomination of the truth. 

I'm being silly, but seriously, we did misunderstand, he meant just don't say anything, if you think the truth may hurt or cause friction. 

[aurum]

It should be obvious that both men and women lack a capacity for handling truth.

It's really more of a human problem.

[BlessedLion]

11 hours ago, nerdspeak said:

Not really, when you get a bit older and you can’t rely on your parents or peer group for support or backup, having a partner provides psychological comfort. 
 

It’s conditional and to an extent an illusion, but let’s say I get sick and can’t work for a relatively short period, like 1-2 months. My gf would take care of me or help me.

If I become depressed and start being horrible to be around for long enough, of course she would leave. If I became disabled and couldn’t work forever, probably she would leave. But still this limited support is useful — you don’t have much else in this life given how society is set up.  

This basically confirms that for most people relationships are just survival mechanisms. I feel like if you are good with yourself you don’t need a relationship to fill that psychological comfort role. Ideally it’s just because you love their vibe. 
 

What about love you guys, for real? Do you just not believe in genuine authentic love between 2 people?

[BlessedLion]

8 hours ago, LordFall said:

What need is there to lie when you are a powerful man in abundance? Lying is for cowards that use manipulation instead of power.

You’d be shocked by the amount of men who lie and worm/weasel their way away women just to get a kiss. I agree with you regarding being in your own power there is no need to lie, because lying is actually disrespectful to yourself, thinking you need to hide your truth. 

[Salvijus]

7 hours ago, aurum said:

This is literally survival. 

Oh aurum...

Sigh... 😓 

[Salvijus]

Survival is not always ego. Survival can also be God's will for you, so it's the opposite of corruption. People are attracted to God's virtues such as honesty, open mindedness, wisdom, love etc. I know I am. I know I enjoy the company of people who embody these qualities aswell. Like attracts like. You can simply enjoy someone's company because you like their presence, as simple as that, no survival involved in it. 

There you go, the "harsh truth" debunked. 

Edited Friday at 05:30 AM by Salvijus

[aurum]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Survival is not always ego. Survival can also be God's will for you, so it's the opposite of corruption. People are attracted to God's virtues such as honesty, open mindedness, wisdom, love etc. I know I am. I know I enjoy the company of people who embody these qualities aswell. Like attracts like. You can simply enjoy someone's company because you like their presence, as simple as that, no survival involved in it. 

There you go, the "harsh truth" debunked. 

You’ve debunked nothing.

In practice, humans will only recognize the 0.000001% of reality that is good for their survival as love. And everything else will just be ignored or actively treated as evil, including the virtues you listed.

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, aurum said:

You’ve debunked nothing.

I was debunking Leo's position that all human activity is corrupt and genuine love in relationships doesn't exist. You're welcome to point out where there's any error in these statements. 🙏

1. Not every human activity is run by the fear of death. People act for the sake of love aswell. (I can give milion examples to prove this and already linked a couple in a previous page.)

2. Survival is not always ego. Survival can be service to love's will aswell. Therefor to call survival corrupt is incorrect, or incomplete at the very least. 

3. Relationships can be the means to joy. Pursuit of joy is not ego, pursuit of joy is God. (pursuit of pleasure is usually ego, careful not to mix the two) although pleasure in itself is not evil. Addiction to pleasure is evil (ego). 

4. You can appreciate someone/something without trying to extract anything from them. (And I'd say it's not as unusual as you believe it to be but that's a seperate debate) therefor, you can appreciate the company of someone without ego being involved. 

If any one of these statements is true, then it's ggwp/checkmate for you guys. 

Edited Friday at 08:18 AM by Salvijus

[gettoefl]

Let both bring a list of 1. needs-non negotiables and 2. wants-open to compromise with their wants to every budding relationship.

Needs are sleep, food, exercise, financial arrangements, living arrangements ... Wants are sex, drugs, parties, vacations, kids ...

Sign on the dotted line to ensure no problems thereafter.

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

17 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

That you only want her for sex.  

Let's be real - the only realistic way for men and women to "not be using each other" is if they work towards a common goal for which both of them have to sacrifice themselves. That goal being having children and starting a family

Edited Friday at 03:01 PM by Davino
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[Davino]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Dealing with human egos is a kind of game. Handling women is a kind of game.

You can tell women the truth just make sure she's in the right emotional state.

If your style is stabbing another with truth that might not sit right with most women. I personally enjoy it but I had to learn other don't unless some conditions are met. If you actually set the right conditions then it gets through the ego.

Don't have this limiting belief that relationships with very low corruption are impossible, no. It's very much possible and the right vision for a relationship. One should strive for it and build the tools and right ecosystem for that to happen. That's the right nuanced approach.

[Twentyfirst]

The more honest you are with women the more chance you have of getting laid. Even if you say "I just want sex from you but nothing else" you are more likely to get laid than the guy who lies and says he wants more when he really doesn't. Real old school PIMPs know this

You don't need to lie to women or play games with them. Women lie to themselves and will play the game in their own head

Edited Friday at 12:49 PM by Twentyfirst