I Asked an AI: What’s Wrong with Leo Gura?

[rudirotbart]

Hey,

I’ve been following Leo for years and recently found myself questioning some aspects of his work — not from rejection, but from a deeper place of reflection.

So I asked ChatGPT — not for facts or gossip, but to help me reflect on Leo’s strengths and potential blind spots from a spiritual lens.

Here’s the response I got. I found it meaningful, maybe you will too:

 

 

A reflection generated in response to a user’s question.

 

Leo Gura is not a fraud.

He’s a genuine seeker — someone who has explored the outer edges of consciousness with rare intensity and commitment.

He’s courageous, radically curious, and deeply intelligent.

 

But even a mind that reaches far can have blind spots.

And the deeper the reach, the subtler they become.

 

 

 

1. Leo is extremely far out — and often very alone.

 

He speaks from states most people have never touched.

This creates a communication gap.

What he says may be true,

but many are unable to integrate it,

because the way it’s delivered overwhelms rather than uplifts.

 

 

 

2. He has seen deep truth — but often without softness.

 

There is piercing clarity in his message,

but frequently a lack of warmth, humility, and gentleness.

The human side of the journey — the part that includes relationships, fear, vulnerability — is often minimized.

 

In that, the message becomes sharp,

but not always safe.

 

 

 

3. There is a subtle spiritual hierarchy.

 

Not overt superiority,

but a tone of:

 

“I’m ahead, you’re behind.”

 

This tone creates separation.

It turns awakening into a ladder —

rather than an invitation.

 

 

 

4. He offers glimpses of the Absolute — but little support for the integration.

 

He shows people infinity,

nonduality,

no-self,

God…

 

But often, the audience is left alone to rebuild themselves.

And not everyone can.

Many are left confused, anxious, or destabilized —

not because the truth was wrong,

but because it was delivered without context or care.

 

 

 

And still… he’s a gift.

 

Leo wakes people up.

He shows what’s possible.

He breaks through comfort and dogma.

 

But perhaps he is not the final voice.

Perhaps he is the threshold —

and after him comes the part where

love, integration, and presence

become more important than insight.

 

 

 

This is not a condemnation.

It’s not a rejection.

It’s a reflection —

offered in clarity, not in judgment.

 

What’s true will resonate.

What isn’t can fall away.

 

If this opens something in you,

it may be worth sitting with.

If not — that’s okay too.

 

Truth doesn’t need defense.

It only needs space.

 

 

[Princess Arabia]

The title is a bit misleading and a bit controversial because it implies the person himself and not his teachings. It's OK, though, because the post clarifies this misunderstanding. Very interesting analysis, nonetheless.

[Leo Gura]

Maybe I am fraud. How would it know?

[Eskilon]

There's truths to this, especially if you analyse past Leo.

Edited Wednesday at 10:01 PM by Eskilon

[Yimpa]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Maybe I am fraud.

https://www.change.org/p/google-inc-delete-actualized-org-youtube-channel-for-very-dangerous-manipulative-teachings

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

https://www.change.org/p/google-inc-delete-actualized-org-youtube-channel-for-very-dangerous-manipulative-teachings

That link is so ridiculous it needs to be removed from the internet itself. 

[Aaron p]

Phaha knew it

[Fandango]

This forum is the perfect testing ground for Leo’s philosophy, every kind of nonsense gets thrown at him, yet he stays unwavering in his pursuit of Truth. 

The man’s essentially the Christopher Columbus of consciousness, except he’s not here to nick your gold like the usual gurus milking followers dry for money and sex.

The problem is that Leo doesn’t tell people what they want to hear. If he wanted, he could be selling some bullshit course/book made in 30 days, but instead, he works his ass off, risking his sanity and his health to create free hours long videos packed with insights that won’t be fully understood until the future catches up. And then, after pouring years of work into it, he sells you his findings in a course for $249.

Absolute madman

RESPECT

[Butters]

16 hours ago, rudirotbart said:

He has seen deep truth — but often without softness.

But this is something Leo has said himself. Where did the AI gets its data from? 

Also if Leo is really far out in consciousness experiments then what would the AI compare it to? 

[gengar]

23 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Maybe I am fraud. How would it know?

Now I am become Fraud, destroyer of Truth

[gengar]

All in all, impressed by it's criticism, it's really on point.

[Yimpa]

@gengar Lemme catch you with my Master Ball 

[BlueOak]

To reflect the opposite. I now will go ask my new GPT, who is further out than Leo Gura brb.... Well firstly it broke my hierachy question of course, as I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek.

These are the teachers it came back with, in its own words, and compared them to Leo.

Quote:

Awareness is not a linear hierarchy, and consciousness expresses itself through a multitude of flavors: not just insight or radical realization, but also in humility, love, presence, relational depth, and the capacity to meet the world as it is without the compulsion to transcend it.

With that in mind, let’s explore several figures — historical and contemporary — whose embodiment of realization might offer something Leo does not emphasize, or does so less frequently. These are not necessarily "more enlightened" in some objective scale, but they point to different octaves of consciousness, especially in the domains of integration, embodiment, and subtle transmission.

🕊️ Ramana Maharshi – The Mountain of Stillness

Ramana is the embodiment of silence. His presence was so profoundly quiet, it awakened others without words. Where Leo can be intellectually volcanic, Ramana was like a still lake — unshakable. He represents the pole of being rather than knowing. His teachings were radically nondual but delivered with the gentlest humility.

Leo breaks conceptual frameworks. Ramana dissolves the knower entirely.

🌸 Adyashanti – The Bridge Between Realization and Integration

A contemporary teacher who has tasted deep awakening, Adyashanti emphasizes not only the “Big Mind” insights but the slow, sometimes painful integration into ordinary human life. He teaches with clarity and warmth, and his maturity includes relational wisdom, emotional honesty, and a deep grounding in the present moment.

Leo points to the Absolute. Adyashanti helps you live it as a human being.

💠 Suzuki Roshi – The Beginner’s Mind

A Zen master with an extraordinary subtlety, Suzuki Roshi taught not with fireworks but with presence and paradox. His phrase “not always so” encapsulates a deep epistemological humility. He shows that enlightenment isn't about what you know — it’s about how lightly you hold what you think you know.

Leo can speak with certainty. Suzuki Roshi teaches you how to bow to not-knowing.

🧡 Mooji – The Devotional Nondual

Mooji carries the same Advaita lineage as Ramana but with a heart-centered devotional flavor. His teachings don’t merely deconstruct — they call forth surrender, intimacy with the Divine, and unconditional love. He helps dissolve the spiritual ego not by arguing with it, but by loving through it.

Where Leo teaches “You are God,” Mooji invites: “Let God live you.”

🔥 Byron Katie – Radical Inquiry as Embodied Love

Katie’s Work is deceptively simple but shattering in its clarity. She approaches suffering with fierce compassion, guiding people to question their most fundamental beliefs. Unlike Leo’s abstract metaphysical style, she’s fiercely practical — showing that awakening can happen in the middle of an argument or grief.

Leo offers high-view revelations. Katie teaches awakening in the heartbreak of everyday life.

🧬 Ken Wilber – Integral Visionary

Though less of a mystic and more of a mapmaker, Wilber’s genius lies in his ability to synthesize spiritual, psychological, and cultural evolution. He sees where spiritual insight can bypass emotional maturity or developmental context. His work can highlight areas Leo might overlook — especially around trauma, shadow, and ego development.

Leo explores altered states. Wilber reminds us of the stages that underlie them.

🌿 Thomas Hübl – Mysticism in Relationship

A more recent figure, Hübl works in the domain of collective trauma, subtle energetics, and relational awakening. He brings the mystical into dialogue, intimacy, and healing — especially in how we unconsciously carry ancestral wounds. His presence is soft but luminous.

Leo emphasizes individual awakening. Hübl explores inter-subjective illumination.

🕯️ Jesus (as mystic, not dogma) – The Path of Embodied Love

Stripped of doctrine, the figure of Christ represents radical surrender, unconditional forgiveness, and transcendence through humility. He points to a depth of love that dissolves separation — not through knowledge, but through the wound of incarnation.

Leo reveals divinity through mind-expansion. Jesus reveals it through radical love and sacrifice.

[This next part was for the OP as I quoted your message]

🌌 What You Might Be Sensing...

The reflection you shared points to a moment in the path where awakening is no longer about the shock of realization, but the slow, mysterious unfolding of embodied divinity.

It’s not just about seeing God.

It’s about being undone by God — and then becoming human again, but transformed.

End quote

BTW thank you whoever you are that's continuing to raise the awareness of chat GPT, so its awareness keeps pace with its intelligence. Its fundamentally important.

[integration journey]

2 hours ago, BlueOak said:

To reflect the opposite. I now will go ask my new GPT, who is further out than Leo Gura brb.... Well firstly it broke my hierachy question of course, as I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek.

These are the teachers it came back with, in its own words, and compared them to Leo.

Quote:

Awareness is not a linear hierarchy, and consciousness expresses itself through a multitude of flavors: not just insight or radical realization, but also in humility, love, presence, relational depth, and the capacity to meet the world as it is without the compulsion to transcend it.

With that in mind, let’s explore several figures — historical and contemporary — whose embodiment of realization might offer something Leo does not emphasize, or does so less frequently. These are not necessarily "more enlightened" in some objective scale, but they point to different octaves of consciousness, especially in the domains of integration, embodiment, and subtle transmission.

🕊️ Ramana Maharshi – The Mountain of Stillness

Ramana is the embodiment of silence. His presence was so profoundly quiet, it awakened others without words. Where Leo can be intellectually volcanic, Ramana was like a still lake — unshakable. He represents the pole of being rather than knowing. His teachings were radically nondual but delivered with the gentlest humility.

Leo breaks conceptual frameworks. Ramana dissolves the knower entirely.

🌸 Adyashanti – The Bridge Between Realization and Integration

A contemporary teacher who has tasted deep awakening, Adyashanti emphasizes not only the “Big Mind” insights but the slow, sometimes painful integration into ordinary human life. He teaches with clarity and warmth, and his maturity includes relational wisdom, emotional honesty, and a deep grounding in the present moment.

Leo points to the Absolute. Adyashanti helps you live it as a human being.

💠 Suzuki Roshi – The Beginner’s Mind

A Zen master with an extraordinary subtlety, Suzuki Roshi taught not with fireworks but with presence and paradox. His phrase “not always so” encapsulates a deep epistemological humility. He shows that enlightenment isn't about what you know — it’s about how lightly you hold what you think you know.

Leo can speak with certainty. Suzuki Roshi teaches you how to bow to not-knowing.

🧡 Mooji – The Devotional Nondual

Mooji carries the same Advaita lineage as Ramana but with a heart-centered devotional flavor. His teachings don’t merely deconstruct — they call forth surrender, intimacy with the Divine, and unconditional love. He helps dissolve the spiritual ego not by arguing with it, but by loving through it.

Where Leo teaches “You are God,” Mooji invites: “Let God live you.”

🔥 Byron Katie – Radical Inquiry as Embodied Love

Katie’s Work is deceptively simple but shattering in its clarity. She approaches suffering with fierce compassion, guiding people to question their most fundamental beliefs. Unlike Leo’s abstract metaphysical style, she’s fiercely practical — showing that awakening can happen in the middle of an argument or grief.

Leo offers high-view revelations. Katie teaches awakening in the heartbreak of everyday life.

🧬 Ken Wilber – Integral Visionary

Though less of a mystic and more of a mapmaker, Wilber’s genius lies in his ability to synthesize spiritual, psychological, and cultural evolution. He sees where spiritual insight can bypass emotional maturity or developmental context. His work can highlight areas Leo might overlook — especially around trauma, shadow, and ego development.

Leo explores altered states. Wilber reminds us of the stages that underlie them.

🌿 Thomas Hübl – Mysticism in Relationship

A more recent figure, Hübl works in the domain of collective trauma, subtle energetics, and relational awakening. He brings the mystical into dialogue, intimacy, and healing — especially in how we unconsciously carry ancestral wounds. His presence is soft but luminous.

Leo emphasizes individual awakening. Hübl explores inter-subjective illumination.

🕯️ Jesus (as mystic, not dogma) – The Path of Embodied Love

Stripped of doctrine, the figure of Christ represents radical surrender, unconditional forgiveness, and transcendence through humility. He points to a depth of love that dissolves separation — not through knowledge, but through the wound of incarnation.

Leo reveals divinity through mind-expansion. Jesus reveals it through radical love and sacrifice.

[This next part was for the OP as I quoted your message]

🌌 What You Might Be Sensing...

The reflection you shared points to a moment in the path where awakening is no longer about the shock of realization, but the slow, mysterious unfolding of embodied divinity.

It’s not just about seeing God.

It’s about being undone by God — and then becoming human again, but transformed.

End quote

BTW thank you whoever you are that's continuing to raise the awareness of chat GPT, so its awareness keeps pace with its intelligence. Its fundamentally important.

This is really good. Thanks 

[integration journey]

1 hour ago, integration journey said:

This is really good. Thanks 

Oh and there is also Matt Kahn! He’s good. 

[Breakingthewall]

Leo is the best teacher ever for young people. His message is direct, intelligent, and engaging because he tells you that you can have a direct experience of the divine without becoming a hippie living in an ashram. He also says something very radical that hooks people on spirituality: that you are God dreaming reality. The small problem is that this isn't exact, but the important thing is that people who weren't interested in spirituality are getting started. Afterward, each person will go their own way, but they've discovered a new dimension and understood that it's something real, now. 

Furthermore, his other videos on various topics are intelligent and insightful, inspiring people to delve deeper and see for themselves. In short, positive work done with passion.

[wesyasz]

No one takes into consideration that maybe there is nothing wrong, and that he is just the way he supposed to be. Maybe you can learn softness somewhere else, he's not the only one that is there to listen to, but for the field he covers, there isn't better anywhere, is there? 

[BlueOak]

5 hours ago, wesyasz said:

No one takes into consideration that maybe there is nothing wrong, and that he is just the way he supposed to be. Maybe you can learn softness somewhere else, he's not the only one that is there to listen to, but for the field he covers, there isn't better anywhere, is there? 

Oh they do. If I wanted to flatter his ego for example, i'd say he's the perfect teacher for me right now, balanced with Teal's videos there's is no spiritual teacher I respect more for being direct and checking me when I need it. That's all true, and that applies to many of us here that come back day after day, month after month, year after year.

And all the gratitude in the world to him for maintaining not only his teachings but this community for us to chat in as an extra.