The universe never began

[trenton]

I have been reading a lot about metaphysics, epistemology, and the origins of the universe. I found a lot of fascinating possibilities. I put this together with various profound findings from quantum mechanics and the implications in how humans do logic. I was deconstructing various logical principles in the process by demonstrating when logic fails.

Eventually I came to the idea that if there were nothing in the beginning, then what existed before there was nothing? The answer is still nothing. The implication is that nothingness existed forever with no beginning because it is impossible to not have existence. Nothingness itself is also absolutely infinite with no end or beginning or space or position. Nothing therefore fills everything in existence.

This paradox left me with a sense of fascination and awe as I looked into all of the infinite possibilities of the universe.

However, throughout the process as I was deliberately looking for the limits of human knowledge and logic, it was also triggering feelings of anger and frustration for some reason. I was still intrigued by everything so I pressed on. Maybe this anger was an ego defensive response to my sense of reality being undermined. It was completely automatic and natural even though there was no real danger. Human knowledge is extremely limited and human logic and our capacity for sense making is flawed and limited.

This makes me think that if there is an absolute truth then it might be something which defies all logic and reason to the point that it seems like insanity. Once again my mind was opening up to more and more possibilities with fascination even though there was automatic anger.

[Princess Arabia]

Nice. Might be unto something. 

[Breakingthewall]

On 2/4/2025 at 5:18 AM, trenton said:

Eventually I came to the idea that if there were nothing in the beginning, then what existed before there was nothing?

Nothing is the absence of change. For something to exist, movement is necessary; without movement, there is no "something." This makes us contemplate the nature of reality from a different perspective. We assume that reality is something, and that something does things; it manifests itself in different ways, but the reality is that something = manifestation. Without manifestation, there is nothing. This implies that the difference between nothing and something is not an essential difference but a difference of state. Nothing is reality in a static state; something is reality in a dynamic state.

The essence of reality cannot be movement; rather, reality manifests itself in movement, since nothing limits its development. This implies that absolute nothingness is exactly as real and absolute as the manifested cosmos. The difference is in appearance, not in essence. You could say that nothingness does not exist because there is always movement. This only means that always = movement, and never = lack of change, but in essence, always and never are the same.

Absolute means that it is the manifest and the unmanifest, always and never, something and nothing. The difference between something and nothing is only one of state, not of essence. Nothingness has total depth, just like something. The essence of reality is this total depth, not its manifested qualities. These are the veil that prevents the realization of the absolute, which is why it is difficult, because they are "always" present. So you must enter in "never," but you will never be able to do so, since you are always. But you could realize that always really is exactly than never,  then the nature of reality will be opened. 

Edited Thursday at 02:00 PM by Breakingthewall

[Hojo]

The reason no one has ever told you what God is is because they physically and metaphysically cannot do it. It is not possible to say what it is.

Edited Thursday at 02:11 PM by Hojo

[Someone here]

I agree with you on the absolute level but I would dial down from overthinking these radical truths because they can lead to mental instability. 

The reason I said I agree is because yes ..from the absolute level nothing even exists at all (but of course good luck grasping this with your rational mind ).

Papaji has a book called "nothing ever happened " 😂.  Which is a true statement. Nothing has ever happened. You are imaging the entire past .your whole life is a thought . But if you actually grasp what is being said here you will become depressed forever because you will actually awaken from the illusion and collapse into a Solipsistic bubble .and this is serious shit don't kid around with these existential matters if you care about your mental health. 

Much love 🙏

[Aaron p]

@trenton have you read this. So far my favourite book of all time. I'm only really starting my reading journey properly recently 

That subheading: 

"How true skeptics know there is no death and fathom answers to life, the universe, and everything." 

I squirted a little pee out when I read that