Law of Assumption

[BlueOak]

A good 12 years ago I did some reading on the universal laws, but its been so long that I haven't paid any attention to them because I never saw the results I wanted long term. While I could effect short-term changes, for example, going out in a state of unconditional love and seeing that reflected, and I do recognize that the world roughly aligns with who I am over time, I didn't find them filling the voids in my life, and thus it remained largely where it was.
 

Willing to give this another run, what do you think about this particular universal law, in regards to things like financial abundance or a general uplift in your state of being?

 

[Wilhelm44]

9 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

A good 12 years ago I did some reading on the universal laws, but its been so long that I haven't paid any attention to them because I never saw the results I wanted long term. While I could effect short-term changes, for example, going out in a state of unconditional love and seeing that reflected, and I do recognize that the world roughly aligns with who I am over time, I didn't find them filling the voids in my life, and thus it remained largely where it was.
 

Willing to give this another run, what do you think about this particular universal law, in regards to things like financial abundance or a general uplift in your state of being?

 

Even if you were able to manifest anything you wanted, it would not fill the void. Deeper spiritual work is required for that. Drop the manifestation videos and watch more of Leo's stuff. This manifestation business is a scam, trying to convince people they can get what they want without taking action.

[BlueOak]

True. Not really a scam per se, but without both aspects, action, and the right frame of mind/body, either nothing happens or the wrong thing consistently happens. 

@Wilhelm44

Oh and if I manifested everything I wanted, I guarantee you there would be no void :D. We all have different ones. 

Edited Monday at 11:25 AM by BlueOak

[Wilhelm44]

4 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

True. Not really a scam per se, but without both aspects, action, and the right frame of mind/body, either nothing happens or the wrong thing consistently happens. 

@Wilhelm44

Oh and if I manifested everything I wanted, I guarantee you there would be no void :D. We all have different ones. 

I hear you, it's just that the things that people generally try to manifest with these techniques, will definitely not fill the void, they will only meet physical needs and desires.

[BlueOak]

17 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I hear you, it's just that the things that people generally try to manifest with these techniques, will definitely not fill the void, they will only meet physical needs and desires.

True. I think most of us here, understand more though. For my part, I would say manifesting happiness is above all important, which to me is connection, purpose, growth, friendship, health, abundance, security, comfort and love etc.

Edited Monday at 11:47 AM by BlueOak

[Wilhelm44]

6 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

True. I think most of us here, understand more though. For my part, I would say manifesting happiness is above all important, which to me is connection, purpose, growth, friendship, health, abundance, security, comfort and love etc.

Yes, its important to have those aspects for a well functioning life. Just notice though that you have still linked happiness to aspects 'external' to you. What happens when connection, or purpose,  or growth,  or friendship,  or health, or abundance, or security, or comfort, or love, seem to disappear for a while ? Will you still be happy then ?

[BlueOak]

8 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yes, its important to have those aspects for a well functioning life. Just notice though that you have still linked happiness to aspects 'external' to you. What happens when connection, or purpose,  or growth,  or friendship,  or health, or abundance, or security, or comfort, or love, seem to disappear for a while ? Will you still be happy then ?

The outside world reflects who and what I am, overtime matching me more or less to it. I tend to think we harmonize with our environment and it to us, so it's a two way thing. Which is why having a good peer group or nice environment to live in changes so much about a person. So 'external' is not as clearly defined as we often state, the lines are a lot more blurred between internal/external than we consider.

When the six human needs, or more succinctly, what I consider important needs/wants, are not met, I will be unhappy. There is nothing inherently wrong with unhappiness; it's just not a desirable state to remain in, which is why it pushes you toward changing what is wrong.

Edited Monday at 08:49 PM by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

If I am missing something, or if the belief seems tangled or hindering, I am very open to a word of advice.

[Wilhelm44]

15 minutes ago, BlueOak said:

The outside world reflects who and what I am, overtime matching me more or less to it. I tend to think we harmonize with our environment and it to us, so it's a two way thing. Which is why having a good peer group or nice environment to live in changes so much about a person. So 'external' is not as clearly defined as was often state, the lines are a lot more blurred between internal/external than we consider.

When the six human needs, or more succinctly, what I consider important needs/wants, are not met, I will be unhappy. There is nothing inherently wrong with unhappiness; it's just not a desirable state to remain in, which is why it pushes you toward changing what is wrong.

Yes, by all means its very important to meet all your human needs. But that kind of happiness is still fleeting, because all those things can be given and taken away from you again. There is also Happiness with a capital 'h', which is more like happiness for no reason. This can be realized more and more by deeply contemplating yourself as the source of all that is.

[samijiben]

@BlueOak yes, man, you have lost yourself in a rabbit's ass! I mean hole...

Close your eyes, take a deep breath, open them, and see that you ARE  (literally ARE - I AM NOT JOKING!!) everything you could ever want + and then some...

[Wilhelm44]

2 minutes ago, samijiben said:

@BlueOak yes, man, you have lost yourself in a rabbit's ass! I mean hole...

Close your eyes, take a deep breath, open them, and see that you ARE  (literally ARE - I AM NOT JOKING!!) everything you could ever want + and then some...

Nice one (:)

[BlueOak]

6 minutes ago, samijiben said:

@BlueOak yes, man, you have lost yourself in a rabbit's ass! I mean hole...

Close your eyes, take a deep breath, open them, and see that you ARE  (literally ARE - I AM NOT JOKING!!) everything you could ever want + and then some...

As you were straight with me i'll be straight with you. This also sounds somewhat deluded. You might as well not incarnate at all.

[Wilhelm44]

7 hours ago, BlueOak said:

As you were straight with me i'll be straight with you. This also sounds somewhat deluded. You might as well not incarnate at all.

He's actually pointing towards the truth. Playing with childhood memories helped me a lot. For example, think of a beautiful moment from the past. Lets say a lovely day at the beach as a kid. What if you were not just one character in that scene ? What if you were actually all the characters in the scene ? And what if you were actually the entire scene ? 

Edited Tuesday at 05:06 AM by Wilhelm44

[BlueOak]

2 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

He's actually pointing towards the truth. Playing with childhood memories helped me a lot. For example, think of a beautiful moment from the past. Lets say a lovely day at the beach as a kid. What if you were not just one character in that scene ? What if you were actually all the characters in the scene ? And what if you were actually the entire scene ? 

I understand you can generate any emotion you wish. I understand we are the reflection; I've been saying that above. 

There are basic human needs that all of us in this life experience.

No amount of solitude fills loneliness. 
No amount of stagnation means growth.
No amount of self-reflection gives contribution.

etc

Edited Tuesday at 07:45 AM by BlueOak

[BlueOak]

Here are two speakers giving you the same info

https://tealswan.com/resources/articles/relationships-and-the-six-human-needs
https://www.tonyrobbins.com/blog/do-you-need-to-feel-significant

While if I have a point of reference, I can experience a memory of this (if I was lucky enough to experience some), that's not being present with who and what I have incarnated into. I've tricked myself all my life into filling the void of loneliness, I am an expert in what you suggest, but its not being present with the current emotional state generated by my own reflection. The reflection I see in the environment around me.

[samijiben]

@BlueOak

Man, I hate to see this happen to you!

You are going in circles again! Why do you want a formula? Why do you want to "understand reality" WHEN IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU??

 

Drop the Shtick. I know you're playing a game. You know you're playing a game. 

 

This has nothing to do with the supposed capacity to generate whatever emotions YOU PLEASE.

 

Don't you see how viciously selfish this is?

 

Drop all pretenses at once, Be Still, and KNOW THAT I AM GOD.

I am serious: this is more than anyone could ever ask for. 

 

This is the end of your suffering, and just the beginning, the very fucking tip of the iceberg, of what lies beyond....

[BlueOak]

@samijiben

When you are working 45 hours a week, currently 3 weeks on no days off, and the rest of your hours are spent trying to start a business, exercising, or relaxing.  I already know I am god, I had that realisation in 2012. It doesn't unmake the reality I am experiencing. Can you not step outside your own micro perspective for a second and actually BE the reality you are experiencing in this message? Here i'll show you, and i'll do it for both of us.

I am god. Everything I experience I am and that is all I need. There is only observation and experience, it is the only constant in the universe. - Your perspective. Reality is me, I don't ignore it, I am present with it, this is the current reflection of myself I am experiencing - My perspective. These are both the same thing. Collapse your own duality rather than fight it, because you are not telling me anything I don't already know.

Just saying I AM GOD, does absolutely nothing practical. I still have to go to work tomorrow, I am still single, I am still living pay check to pay check, I am still not experiencing what I would like to experience day to day. Why the hell i've generated this argument inside myself is a question I will meditate on but so far it was just frustration being reflected, rather than an answer if the universal laws were worth studying again! lol

Here'll i'll reflect again.

Stop resisting your own experience because this message is currently it in this moment. So that would be both of us then, and if you don't realise that you haven't accepted all of yourself yet.

 

[Wilhelm44]

1 hour ago, BlueOak said:

I understand you can generate any emotion you wish. I understand we are the reflection; I've been saying that above. 

There are basic human needs that all of us in this life experience.

No amount of solitude fills loneliness. 
No amount of stagnation means growth.
No amount of self-reflection gives contribution.

etc

Yes, by all means, focus first on meeting all the human needs. It's crucial. But spoiler alert, once that happens, there will still be a sense of void. True happiness is not circumstantial.

[BlueOak]

1 hour ago, Wilhelm44 said:

Yes, by all means, focus first on meeting all the human needs. It's crucial. But spoiler alert, once that happens, there will still be a sense of void. True happiness is not circumstantial.

How we meet the needs is circumstantial; the needs themselves are not, they are an intrinsic part of human existence.
We are what we experience, so they are part of you/god. It isn't dismissing the truth you are telling me to argue with samijiben above, that ignorance of the needs/our experience is the repression, not the liberation, of the God you both describe. You might even say, without them, there would be no point or drive to your incarnation.

If you understand the needs are met in your reflection, which is you, there is no external.

From my perspective, what are you saying to me is:
You need less X and more of Y. OR You can generate more of that from within and put it in the reflection. Any generated feeling, such as divine love, goes away without the outer world's reflection and reinforcement of it.

Has anyone had any experience using these laws internally and seen results externally?

Edited Tuesday at 10:27 AM by BlueOak

[Wilhelm44]

23 hours ago, BlueOak said:

@samijiben

When you are working 45 hours a week, currently 3 weeks on no days off, and the rest of your hours are spent trying to start a business, exercising, or relaxing.  I already know I am god, I had that realisation in 2012. It doesn't unmake the reality I am experiencing. Can you not step outside your own micro perspective for a second and actually BE the reality you are experiencing in this message? Here i'll show you, and i'll do it for both of us.

I am god. Everything I experience I am and that is all I need. There is only observation and experience, it is the only constant in the universe. - Your perspective. Reality is me, I don't ignore it, I am present with it, this is the current reflection of myself I am experiencing - My perspective. These are both the same thing. Collapse your own duality rather than fight it, because you are not telling me anything I don't already know.

Just saying I AM GOD, does absolutely nothing practical. I still have to go to work tomorrow, I am still single, I am still living pay check to pay check, I am still not experiencing what I would like to experience day to day. Why the hell i've generated this argument inside myself is a question I will meditate on but so far it was just frustration being reflected, rather than an answer if the universal laws were worth studying again! lol

Here'll i'll reflect again.

Stop resisting your own experience because this message is currently it in this moment. So that would be both of us then, and if you don't realise that you haven't accepted all of yourself yet.

 

What is preventing you from giving yourself something nice to look forward to ever week, even while you are doing a job you might not like. For example, going on a date every friday night etc.

To get back to one of those laws you mentioned. The law of assumption for example, simply means to take a strong position in assuming that your wish has already been fullfilled. Like living from the end backwards. Playing with that concept can be usefull, in that it can help to remove the sense of lack after a while, and make the journey more enjoyable.

Edited Wednesday at 07:20 AM by Wilhelm44