Why I'm quitting NoFap.

[Someone here]

7 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Answer the question!

Where is "please "? 

my answer is i simply not sure . I made the point that masturbation to your imagination is fine . But that porn mostly is harmful  . Now you come along like a tricky little devil and ask well what about masturbating to my GF pics?  And if its okay then where do we draw the line between whats considered porn and what's not porn ? And my answer is I don't know ..yet .

 

[Carl-Richard]

@Someone here Let's pretend we are scientists and want to give a theoretical explanation for why porn consumption is harmful. Is it that it leads to excessive arousal? If so, do you think it leads to more arousal than real sex? And if so, at what point does real sex become harmful?

[Princess Arabia]

15 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

@Someone here Let's pretend we are scientists and want to give a theoretical explanation for why porn consumption is harmful. Is it that it leads to excessive arousal? If so, do you think it leads to more arousal than real sex? And if so, at what point does real sex become harmful?

You're asking some real questions. Questions that really gets to the core. This is why they are so hard to answer. These questions force one to go within to the real issues and because we're so used to looking outside and blaming "dead objects" for our "alive" problems (images and memories VS our feelings in the moment) we cannot answer because the answers are the real issues we face which has not been looked at and dealt with because it's easier to put the blame on what we've been focusing on, which is the outside world. 

[Princess Arabia]

7 hours ago, Someone here said:

Just listen to your intuition at this point . Go open up some fucked up pornography like gangbangs or bukakus or pissing and shitting orgies and then come back and say with straight face "porn is harmless ".

What would make someone watch those things in the first place. They are not on TV, on billboards, or being advertised as trailers. Even on porn sites, one has to click on those types of videos and titles to view the content. Plus, the only way it could have a negative effect is if one stayed there and actually watched it. You are blaming the porn but not acknowledging the type of mindset that would even click on that content to begin with. Plenty of stuff exists in the world that you don't know about mainly because you're not focused on those types of things, amongst other reasons, and the Universe's natural algorithm lays dormant and out of reach for you until you express interest or are at a vibrational match to it.

[Someone here]

1 hour ago, Carl-Richard said:

@Someone here Let's pretend we are scientists and want to give a theoretical explanation for why porn consumption is harmful. Is it that it leads to excessive arousal? If so, do you think it leads to more arousal than real sex? And if so, at what point does real sex become harmful?

No .who said porn is harmful because of "excessive arousal "? 

Porn is harmful because it's addictive by design.  It is designed to hook you and tie you . You keep jumping and clicking on the next clip and the next clip with no end in sight until you find the perfect clip to wank to . And even after you rub one out and go to take a shower you may take the phone with ya to the bathroom and rub another one out before jumping into the shower . And you won't stop until you are partially castrated . I literally masturbated to porn 15 times in one day when I was 19 yo .

Porn is also harmful because it turns you into a lust-obsessed pig . When all that's going on in your mind is asses and boobs and moaning and cumshots you can't even answer 1+1=porn🤓

@Princess Arabia don't get cute on here please lol.

[Princess Arabia]

12 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Porn is harmful because it's addictive by design.  It is designed to hook you and tie you . You keep jumping and clicking on the next clip and the next clip with no end in sight until you find the perfect clip to wank to .

So is Youtube, instagram, social media on a whole. Even this forum can be addictive. I could also name other things, but you get the drift. These I mentioned aren't porn, just other avenues to allow for the addictive mind to express itself. THE MIND IS WHAT'S ADDICTIVE. THOUGHTS ARE WHAT'S ADDICTIVE. These abstract objects have no life until you give them life, until the mind succumbs to it's own neurosis. Please try and get this. I'm not trying to be cute. I'm trying to open up your mind to see things on a deeper level and not just on the surface. I'm also a victim of the mind and that's why I can recognize it. I'm speaking from experience, just different content, same structure. It's all the fucking same. All boils down to one thing - ESCAPISM!!! If it's not porn, it'll be something else because there's only one denominator here - you.

Edited Saturday at 03:25 PM by Princess Arabia

[Someone here]

43 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

What would make someone watch those things in the first place. 

A better question why they film these kind of things in the first place.. right ?

And BTW here's the real kicker ..it is precisely because these kind of porn videos are so fucked up that they force the porn user to click on them . There is something arousing about doing "immoral " fucked up shit . These big bosses study their business. They hire psychologists and psychiatrists and sexologists ...they know the user will start off with a softcore boy & girl clips then it will get boring and he will escalate into the most despicable nonsense out there ..sooner or later .

Now enough talking about porn for today .

This thread is about masturbation not porn .

[Someone here]

16 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

So is Youtube, instagram, social media on a whole. Even this forum can be addictive. I could also name other things, but you get the drift. These I mentioned aren't porn, just other avenues to allow for the addictive mind to express itself. THE MIND IS WHAT'S ADDICTIVE. THOUGHTS ARE WHAT'S ADDICTIVE. These abstract objects have no life until you give them life, until the mind succumbs to it's own neurosis. Please try and get this. I'm not trying to be cute. I'm trying to open up your mind to see things on a deeper level and not just on the surface. I'm also a victim of the mind and that's why I can recognize it. I'm speaking from experience, just different content, same structure. It's all the fucking same. All boils down to one thing - ESCAPISM!!! If it's not porn, it'll be something else because there's only one denominator here - you.

No I do think you are just being cute . Not just cute but adorable. 

Listen I told you before don't try to sneak in this spiritual bs into practical topics . And I also told you  that you have no idea what it's like having a snake bulge  down there👇 whenever you see two ballons of tits .simply put..you have no idea what it's like having a dick . And then having porn at your fingertips .the human mind didn't evolve to deal with this .when you present to it an endless pool of naked women doing all kinds of sexual acts at your fingertips then the mind gets fucked in the ass and the poor teenagers will masturbate their bloody lives away .

 

[Princess Arabia]

35 minutes ago, Someone here said:

This thread is about masturbation not porn .

The beginning of the masturbation, in your case, started with your disdain for porn, so yes, they are related. Can't solve a problem without going to the root. Masturbation will soon become the enemy because it was borne out of porn.

[Princess Arabia]

25 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Listen I told you before don't try to sneak in this spiritual bs into practical topics .

It's all one of the same. Can't separate the two. Spirituality is at the core of life, PERIOD. Try as you may to separate them, and you only become a fool trying to chase your own tail and end up spiraling up your ass and down the rabbit's hole.

 

28 minutes ago, Someone here said:

And I also told you  that you have no idea what it's like having a snake bulge  down there

No, but I know what the feeling is like for whatever caused that snake bulge. Feelings are Universal and are not gender based. The bulge is only a symptom of the cause. Stop using that excuse to dismiss a female's perspective. Female doctors also treat male patients' sexual issues.

[Basman]

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

The book I shared is written by a neuroscientist sharing empirical brain scans and studies on porn users' brains showing damage to the prefrontal cortex ..the reward circuit ..and the grey matter in the brain of porn Addicts..that's not serious evidence..?

Wilson's argument boils down to applying the coolidge effect unto humans which is controversial because it is essentially argues that novelty seeking is the root of "porn addiction". But how do you differentiate between "porn addiction" and "internet addiction". Are you a porn addict or actually just an internet addict? It's the same issue as with the previous example, porn could potentially be the cause of brain deterioration but it can't prove definitely that porn is the cause due to lacking that evidence. It is therefor pseudoscience to claim that it does anyway.

Wilson has made it his career peddling pseudoscience to an audience of mostly moralists who have already made up their mind on porn. His theories lacks empiricism to support the claims he makes and he isn't academically supported. That's why I don't consider him serious evidence.

4 hours ago, Someone here said:

... It seems like you just like to goon out on porn and you will fight tooth and nail down out of your way to justify your porn usage . And that's fine ..

I don't need to justify myself to anyone unlike moralists who need that justification to feel ideological congruence.

The thing is, it doesn't even matter. It's not even a problem to make a value judgement but a lack of transparency is. Misinformation should be treated as such.

Here's a good read that criticizes Wilson's theory on porn addiction: https://figshare.com/articles/journal_contribution/Between_platonic_love_and_internet_pornography/23449100?file=41265894

Edited Saturday at 05:32 PM by Basman

[D2sage]

Its a fact that to much porn causes harm. Porn Induced Erectile Dysfunction etc. 

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5039517/

Brain scans dont lie or make up stuff.

Many studies links porn use with less sexual relationship satisfcation among with poor cognitive abilities. These studies are done by Neuroscientist using MRI, fMRI, EEG. Also a chunk of studies have busted the myth that porn users just have high sex drive.

 

You will have much higher sex drive if you say goodbye to porno. Also you get a harder cocktail sausage.

Yes you might cum in a minute, but why is this problematic if you can just wait a few minutes and get back on the saddle? 

Men think they need to last for hours but the ability to recover from a cum in a few minutes is far more valuable. its during the recovery when you start again where the long lasting sessions starts.

Edited Saturday at 06:02 PM by D2sage

[NewKidOnTheBlock]

Well I like my prostate. A lot. Takes 21 times a month to reduce the prostate cancer risks to a minimum, and in general it seems that there's an inverse correlation/association between the ammount of times you're doing it and the risks of you getting prostate cancer. You won't be able to jerk off that many times just by using your mind, that's way too boring and it just takes forever to get off that way, and orgasms aren't that good. I'm emptying the sacks once a day at least and never encountered these "desensitization" issues or seeking more and more extreme content. Seems to me like these problems have nothing to do with porn and more with us being so anti social and socially inept while also lacking this sort of social courage

[Basman]

Brain scans don't lie or make up stuff. In fact, they don't say anything at all. It is just data. To extrapolate any kind of conclusion requires interpretation.

What annoys me the most about porn haters is that they present themselves knowing what is best for you when in reality their priority is their arbitrary moral convictions. The veneer of medical authority is a trojan horse to convince you of their ideology and there isn't enough push-back to it. Porn very well may be harmful to a certain extent if presented with the evidence but there is no diligence at all. Maybes are turned into absolutes. I'm most worried about young guys whose head gets filled with this nonsense and are being misinformed. It distracts from proper self-improvement which entails meaningful action. Not magical thinking and half-baked science.

Never take medical advice from people that can't even get basic science right.

[Yimpa]

The only porn worth being consumed by is God's Infinite Love.

[D2sage]

All the brain scans from compulsive porn users lights up the same area in the brain compared to healthy people who indulge in sexual intercourse with a real woman. That's the intressting part of the neuroscience.

Watch porn all you want. Hell, even film your own. But dont complain later down the road when you rely on viagra to get the blood flowing. 

Never take medical advice from Compulsive Pornography Users. Viagra is expensive.

Edited Saturday at 08:08 PM by D2sage

[Applegarden8]

6 minutes ago, D2sage said:

All the brain scans from compulsive porn users lights up the same area in the brain compared to healthy people who indulge in sexual intercourse with a real woman. That's the intressting part of the neuroscience.

Watch porn all you want. Hell, even film your own. But dont complain later down the road when you rely on viagra to get the blood flowing. 

I am year into not beating my meat. The urge for sexual pleasure has drastically reduced. :) I wonder what will happen on 10 years time, because I am not planning to ever beat my meat ever again.

 

[Yimpa]

Damn, Valerie Voon got a sexyy a++ brain.

Me:

 

[Schizophonia]

Nofap is another shitty game in the maya just like heavy metal chelation lol.

[Schizophonia]

12 minutes ago, D2sage said:

All the brain scans from compulsive porn users lights up the same area in the brain compared to healthy people who indulge in sexual intercourse with a real woman. That's the intressting part of the neuroscience.

Watch porn all you want. Hell, even film your own. But dont complain later down the road when you rely on viagra to get the blood flowing. 

Never take medical advice from Compulsive Pornography Users. Viagra is expensive.

It is simply the negative regulation of the activity of the sexually related networks of the reward system.