Why I'm quitting NoFap.

[Wilhelm44]

49 minutes ago, Vynce said:

How do you know that I don't want to engage in it myself?

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There comes a time where not jerking off feels more disruptive to ones energy than forcefully going against your insticts and emotions.

Fapping out of boredom is usually pathetic. Fapping out of pure lust usually greater than real sex. Why would you miss out of that? 

Its a delicate balance, that is easy to find, if you are connected with your body's real needs.

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Its super important to find ones owns truth in this matter. I'm just saying what works for me.

I think you misunderstood what i said. Are you saying you wouldnt mind being a porn star ? Thats what i meant by engaging, ie actually taking part in making porn

Edited Sunday at 08:32 AM by Wilhelm44

[Vynce]

28 minutes ago, Wilhelm44 said:

I think you misunderstood what i said. Are you saying you wouldnt mind being a porn star ? Thats what i meant by engaging, ie actually taking part in making porn

Yes, I probably wouldn’t mind. It’s hard to say definitely, but I can imagine worse. 

I made some friends with people who do porn with moderate to large reach. And of course I see that money is probably 90% of their motivation to do it. But that’s true for most other jobs. 
 

And since something like 1/3 of the entire internet is porn, you sure could find a way to make it artistic, fun and meaningful. 

I just deconstructed a lot of the beliefs and non-sense around most sexual topics and found there to be little reason for their bad reps. Porn included. 

And with the liberation of Stage Blue religious dogma bs, porn will only grow in its already massive significance for mankind. 

[Wilhelm44]

1 hour ago, Vynce said:

Yes, I probably wouldn’t mind. It’s hard to say definitely, but I can imagine worse. 

I made some friends with people who do porn with moderate to large reach. And of course I see that money is probably 90% of their motivation to do it. But that’s true for most other jobs. 
 

And since something like 1/3 of the entire internet is porn, you sure could find a way to make it artistic, fun and meaningful. 

I just deconstructed a lot of the beliefs and non-sense around most sexual topics and found there to be little reason for their bad reps. Porn included. 

And with the liberation of Stage Blue religious dogma bs, porn will only grow in its already massive significance for mankind. 

I might be wrong, but I have a feeling that your expectations and the reality of that world wont match up. I dont believe the hype that porn actors are somehow these liberated people. My sense is that it's more like severely damaged people. This is not some moral judgement, just my intuition. When ur having sex with your girlfriend, do you really want other guys to watch you and jerk off at the same time. Can you see how thats a little twisted ? Lets be honest, to get into porn, you need to be desperate for money, and either have low self esteem or no self respect. Once again, this is not a judgement. But there definitely are better ways to make money if you want to actually satisfy your soul.

[Peo]

8 hours ago, EternalForest said:

I totally agree with you. Masturbation is excellent for a man's mental health. Porn is not.

I disagree. Porn is beautiful (Not the free stuff on porn websites tho) Masturbation is bad.

[Wilhelm44]

8 minutes ago, Peo said:

I disagree. Porn is beautiful (Not the free stuff on porn websites tho) Masturbation is bad.

Curious about your reasoning here. If porn is beautiful, how exactly is masturbation bad ?

[Peo]

@Wilhelm44 Why masturbation is bad? Since it is boring and it only feels good for 10 seconds then it is all gone. Having an eraction while watching porn without jerking off feels better in my opnion. The eraction can last for hours an orgasme only last some few seconds.

I only jerk off maybe 1 time every 1-2 weeks. I hate jerking off. I am a not a normal guy tho. If you enjoy masturbating then go for it. 

I guess for most people masturbation will be good and healthy, but not for me. 

[Wilhelm44]

42 minutes ago, Peo said:

@Wilhelm44 Why masturbation is bad? Since it is boring and it only feels good for 10 seconds then it is all gone. Having an eraction while watching porn without jerking off feels better in my opnion. The eraction can last for hours an orgasme only last some few seconds.

I only jerk off maybe 1 time every 1-2 weeks. I hate jerking off. I am a not a normal guy tho. If you enjoy masturbating then go for it. 

I guess for most people masturbation will be good and healthy, but not for me. 

If you treat it like a meditation where you become conscious of every micro sensation, without trying to control anything, it does have the potential of being something way more interesting and pleasurable than just a quick quest for orgasm.

[Princess Arabia]

Humans have turned everything into a problem and have found every reason to fear. Look no more outside it's all within. Yeah, yeah, woo woo stuff. Drop one thing and on to the next. "Oh no, you really 'bout to do it". Yeah, now I'll be addicted to no fap. it never ends. 

[Princess Arabia]

9 hours ago, Someone here said:

and thats why in most porn videos they do a zoom into the dick penetrating the vagina . There is not much focus on kissing ..sensuality ..intimacy..foreplay etc .

Porn doesn't cater to the need for intimacy. That's for real-life human interaction. That need cannot be satisfied through a screen. 

[AION]

9 hours ago, Yimpa said:

AI?

[Someone here]

13 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Never give up on jerking off

Hey that's my favourite emoji.  Please use your own favourite emoji which is this :

Lol😘

Edited Sunday at 06:53 PM by Someone here

[Someone here]

13 hours ago, Lyubov said:

I actually think nofap has its place but it also has a lot of limitations and there are higher belief systems and practices that are better for most guys. For me I want to do this less because I think it’s getting in the way of me being more intimate with my girlfriend out of some fear of being separated on day. So for me addressing that instead of retreating would be beneficial.

Actually masturbation is going to help you have better and prolonged sex with your girlfriend.  If you don't masturbate for long time you will experience premature ejaculation and you will become a two-bumb squirt . She would start barely scratching your ears and kissing your chest and you'd cum already 😂. 

[Someone here]

13 hours ago, AION said:

Being able to yield your sexual power is one the greatest task a man is forced to conquer or be conquered by it. Great skill and character is needed. It shouldn’t be underestimated. 

There is validity to celibacy if you are trying to achieve something extraordinary in the world like becoming a millionaire or a full blown fana-al-fana enlightened monk ..but if you are just a regular horny young single male..then just wank it off few times a month and chill .

[Someone here]

13 hours ago, M4sti said:

Hypnosis, asmr, hands free mind orgasms, roleplays.

classical porn just useless and stupid. 

Agreed .

I only watch audio porn and Roplay at this point . Most mainstream porn is garbage. 

[Someone here]

13 hours ago, integration journey said:

Yup. After years of struggle I came to the same conclusion.

I just jerk off once a week with no external stimuli. Just using my own imagination. Feels like the healthiest thing to do.

I can’t go a week without jerking off at least once. I become a crazy horny motherfucker if I don’t.  

😂 I can relate bro . I'd say it's a skill that needs practice . Most guys tend to binge after masturbating. Meaning they keep doing it again and again ..if you can control yourself and do it just once a week then you are good to go 👍

[Someone here]

13 hours ago, Wilhelm44 said:

, but its creepiness is proven by the fact that you would never actually engage in participating in it yourself.

Totally wrong and off the mark . I could literally chop one of my two balls off for a chance to shoot a porn scene with Lexi Belle .😂 

[Someone here]

10 hours ago, Norbert Somogyi said:

Porn addiction is real, people unfortunately are exposed to porn thanks to the internet even below age 10. This is a hindrance to their sexual development - distorted perception of the opposite sex and their sexuality, 24/7 availability of sex, objectification, PIED etc. It is also used as a clutch to temporarily supress emotional pain, even boredom. I'd say it is best to quit porn altogether.

When it comes to NoFap and the whole movement, despite the humble and mature origins, is completely derailed by now. Teenagers are completely repressing their sexuality instead of embracing it, questioning themselves whether sex (even with a loved one) is allowed, and asking each other how long does it take to get out of it. Furthermore the majority attaches shame and guilt to each relapse, instead of celebrating their progression. 

Another issue I see with the movement (at least the subreddit, I don't check the forums that much) is that NoFap has been molded into a single cure for people's anxiety, motivational issues and life problems. The thing is changing this one piece in your life will not often yield great results, at best it can be used as a fuel to change one's life. The more you try to go against it, the steeper the hill you are climbing. Real progress happens when you take other steps to improve your life and you have less and less thoughts on it. Even further once you stop punishing yourself for indulging it, when you can embrace and accept this part of your sexuality.

I've been on NoFap for quite a lot of years in my life, with varying success. Numerous streaks between weeks and sometimes months (it did make a difference), and there was one breakthrough moment. I felt thoroughly disgusted by it in my body, and made me able to go for prolonged periods of time without even giving it a thought. I felt as if my addiction was cured, but nah the story did not end there. 

I see the value in building up your sexual energy (I don't think not ejaculating increases the risk of prostate cancer, sounds like a cherry-picked study funded by the porn industry - your body gets rid of the excess either way through wet dreams), but the thing is if it gets stuck without direction it is going to cause more harm than benefit. Anger, irritability, insomnia etc. There's a thing called transmutation (not just in tantric circles) when you use the built up sexual energy to fuel something greater, something purposeful. Can be personal and spiritual development, art, life purpose, building a company, physical fitness etc.

NoFap does and should not require to abstain forever (that's Semen Retention, which I tried with varying results - currently does not feel right for me.), people have different sex drives. Some people feel best on a weekly basis, some bi-weekly, monthly, the frequency differs individually. Awareness is key here, why you are doing it and how do you feel about it.

There's a robust research behind POIS (Post-Orgasm Induced Syndrome), forum can be found here.

Currently I'm also on a weekly basis, but since I started to optimize my biomarkers I feel just as great as I did on longer streaks, furthermore the shame is also gone by now. Embrace your sexuality, it is not a sin.

P.S: I got banned from the NoFap subreddit for posting a link of the free e-book *The Easy Peasy Method*, which provides a drastically different approach to porn addiction. Oh, the irony.

Bro you make quality posts all time .I agree with what you are saying for the most part but I need to contemplate it as well.

Thanks for your comment .

[Someone here]

4 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

That need cannot be satisfied through a screen. 

Yeah ? There is VR and 3d porn nowadays.  Please catch up to the latest technologies . 

[Carl-Richard]

18 hours ago, Someone here said:

So I'm convinced now that masturbation is good..healthy &NECESSARY.

Unless you feel literally no need for it, which is possible.

 

18 hours ago, Someone here said:

so just use common sense boys and cum twice -4 times a month and enjoy your life .

You pretty much copy my position now 

[Someone here]

2 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

Unless you feel literally no need for it, which is possible.

Good luck with that . This is only possible if you are a soy boy with low to none testosterone levels..or if you have a sexy bombshell blonde girlfriend