How are Disney movies programming me with epistemological assumptions?

[Husseinisdoingfine]

For context, skip to 54:30 of the video below.

https://www.actualized.org/insights/why-the-media-is-corrupt

I remember Leo in his blog video about why the media is corrupt, where he was talking about bias. How as long as someone is identified with something, then it is impossible to look at reality from an unbiased perspective. A man, a Democrat, an American, or even a human, as long as someone is identified with one of these limit and finite forms, it is impossible to look at reality objectively. 

But then Leo veered into a very strange direction, when he said that innocent culture was not innocent at all, and was programming us with certain metaphysical and epistemological assumptions. So those Disney movies I watched as a kid? I show them to my child. Because I loved those Disney movies! That's where the programming starts. And those same Star Wars I watched as a kid? I show them to my child. And the same University I went to? I send my child to that same University! Leo, what's wrong with that? Isn't this just innocent and harmless culture. Which, apparently, it isn't. It's programming us with certain epistemological, existential, and metaphysical assumptions.

What? How? How are Disney movies doing this? So if I have a kid in the future, I should not show them the childhood movies that I watched as a child. What existential assumptions could I possibly get from watching Soyuzmultfilm [Союзмультфи́льм], or Disney, and them showing it to my future child?

 

 

Edited Friday at 11:35 PM by Husseinisdoingfine

[Elliott]

It teaches that being the good guy is what's best for you in the long run, that bad guys eventually lose, that the world is ultimately fair.

Disney's illustration of love, it's criminal really. Like it's a feeling you get, that's not love it's infatuation. Love is commitment, loyalty, respect, caring.

[Leo Gura]

Look, you don't need to be so anal about.

Let your kids watch Disney movies.

You can't be so pure in this world. Corruption is everywhere and you can't avoid it all.

Most media for kids feeds them fantasies, but kids need some fantasies to get them going. You don't want to blackpill your kids with brutal truths about the world.

Edited Friday at 11:07 PM by Leo Gura

[gettoefl]

Let everything until 21 be fun, frolic, fiction.

At 21 let the bombs begin if the newly minted adult is sound enough.

Most of course will rather the happy ever after - fiction their whole life.

[Leo Gura]

21 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Let everything until 21 be fun, frolic, fiction.

That's way too late. By that time their whole life will be spoiled.

[gettoefl]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

That's way too late. By that time their whole life will be spoiled.

I would say that if you start in your teens it is likely because you are coerced or manipulated.

At 21, your decision ability is unquestioned.

At 20, I just wanted to stay up all night and party.

[Leo Gura]

I was thinking about serious issues since my early teens and working hard to build my life.

If you only start that at 21 you're fucked.

By 21 you should already have 1/3rd of your life built.

Edited Saturday at 03:32 PM by Leo Gura

[HelluvaGuy]

18 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

If you only start that at 21 you're fucked.

By 21 you should already have 1/3rd of your life built.

That sounds like such a counterproductive message to send - like what are these people who arrive late supposed to do then, go jump off a bridge?

 

[Leo Gura]

I am exaggerating a bit, but sorry, I have to set a high standard for young people. There's no time for games.

If you are behind, do your best to catch up. Do not wallow in dispair. No matter what you must make the best of wherever you are.

Edited Saturday at 04:12 PM by Leo Gura

[HelluvaGuy]

7 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am exaggerating a bit, but sorry, I have to set a high standard for young people. There's no time for games.

If you are behind, do your best to catch up. Do not wallow in dispair. No matter what you must make the best of wherever you are.

Okay, thanks for clarifying your thoughts. 

[Eskilon]

Until one discover and practice spiritual work, one is not really living. No matter how much success and sex you have.

The real question is: when will one stumble upon it and start droping its fictions?

Edited Saturday at 04:33 PM by Eskilon

[Nilsi]

47 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I was thinking about serious issues since my early teens and working hard to build my life.

If you only start that at 21 you're fucked.

By 21 you should already have 1/3rd of your life built.

At 21, you’re still a child.

Sure, you need guidance, structure, and higher values to aim toward - but at that age, you should be just as concerned with making friends, dating, partying, exploring, messing up, and learning from all of it.

The list of people who skipped that part of life and ended up deeply stunted, perverse, or unhinged later on is virtually endless: Osho, Marc Gafni, Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Sam Bankman-Fried, Mark Zuckerberg, Adam Neumann, Elizabeth Holmes, Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Tate, Donald Trump, Kanye West, Jared Leto, Shia LaBeouf, Marilyn Manson, Jim Carrey, James Franco, Friedrich Nietzsche, Michel Foucault, Howard Hughes, etc.

People who repressed their youth, only to have it erupt later in strange power fantasies, sexual confusion, or spiritual delusion.

Even I see traces of this in myself - though I only skipped a few years of social life between 19 and 22. I can’t imagine who I’d be if I hadn’t had a stretch of fun before that, and now again in the past couple years.

Fun is not optional - it’s integral to development.

[Elliott]

@Husseinisdoingfine do you see any value in those movies? I don't. 

Not that i would bar them, they'll see them at their friends house or the movies. But I won't be a bad example watching stuff like that.

[Leo Gura]

What I said still leaves plenty of room for fun.

You can work 10hrs a day and then still have fun for 3hrs.

But you cannot afford to play for 10hrs a day and work for 3.

Edited Saturday at 04:39 PM by Leo Gura

[Elliott]

3 minutes ago, Nilsi said:

 but at that age, you should be just as concerned with making friends, dating, partying, exploring, messing up, and learning from all of it.

 

I think you should do those your whole life.

I didn't know anything at 21, but I sure wasn't a child as in under my parents direction, that seems very unhealthy.

[Nilsi]

Fair enough, you guys - just wanted to make sure the fun was explicit.

[Schizophonia]

 

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

 

If you are behind

Behind for what ?

 

Edited Saturday at 05:23 PM by Schizophonia

[gettoefl]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I was thinking about serious issues since my early teens and working hard to build my life.

If you only start that at 21 you're fucked.

By 21 you should already have 1/3rd of your life built.

For me, 21 is zero years old as an adult.

It's the beginning of everything.

Before that, distraction is crazy mainly because you are still growing into what you are.

[Schizophonia]

5 hours ago, gettoefl said:

Let everything until 21 be fun, frolic, fiction.

At 21 let the bombs begin if the newly minted adult is sound enough.

Most of course will rather the happy ever after - fiction their whole life.

I'm almost 22, and the days I've been happy can easily be counted on the fingers of one hand.
Otherwise, it's mostly been boredom and stress, sometimes major stressors (extreme insomnia for almost 3 years, near-anorexia, social conflicts—not to mention to protect my ego—family problems), and I've basically done nothing (shitty studies because I was too tired and depressed to continue with medicine and then engineering, no driver's license, less than 1k in my account, virgin, no social group outside of a few fairly dysfunctional friends...)

Leo's speech is useless; it just doesn't inspire people to get to work and build something. If you overestimate the work and the time involved, then there's no reason to get to work.

That's essentially the problem with this forum; Most of the time it's not about sharing masculine energy, no one has ever PM me or even notified me to say, "Hey, man, be careful, if you do this or think that, this will happen to you. Watch out, man! You're doing something stupid!" I've mainly seen mirrors who prefer to act in a perverse and obsessive manner. And above that, there's Leo, who is kind and already more masculine, but seems to play a cold and unsupportive father figure.

That's the goal I've set for myself in the way I interact with others, especially friends. Be curt but encouraging when asked.

That's manly energy, not smoking cigars and talking impulsively, that's being a repressed gay lol, manliness is offering a mirror of possibility.

I want to see less enthusiasm for spiritual self-flagellation in my world, and more for productivity.

Edited Saturday at 05:48 PM by Schizophonia

[Yimpa]