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New Age Scam by Tony Robbins

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Yes, like craniosacral osteopathia, or homeopathy, or enlightenment transference. My only question is whether those who do it know it's a scam or if they themselves believe it.

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There’s plenty of things on can do to alter their state, alter their perception in radical ways, have mystical experiences. What’s important is does it lead to insight, understanding and lasting resolution. Does it fundamentally change oneself so one is living with integrity? A lot of this stuff is usually based on the idea that it’s a short cut or you can just swallow a pill and it somehow solves your problems, lack responsibility. 

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I've got to sell an energetically charged rock for $1,600 -- supercharge your meditation by a factor of 100!

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@UnbornTao In theory, the materials you wear, place on earth you sit, direction you face when sitting, the temperature of the room, the foods you consume prior to and while meditating, the quality and quantity of your Qi, the sounds you hear, the purity of the air, the quality of the sunlight, the purity of your tissues, the health and strength of your body,... all play a roll in meditation.

A rock/ stone, could potentially help. Depends on how it sits energetically and how that would effect the body. I don't know enough about it. I would be skeptical, but wouldn't reject it because it is a stone, or because it's culturally cool to mock.

I am not saying a stone should be worth 1,600 but that a stone or crystal couldn't have healing or meditative health benefits.

I think there is some truth that wearing some stones can be therapeutic and spiritually beneficial. 

Just because something doesn't KILL CANCER, doesn't mean it doesn't have some benefit.

Best to avoid paying 1,600 dollars for it though.

At my local tea shop there is a tea cup for 650 dollars. Think it holds any water compared to the one I bought for 50$ which I think looks better?

Now, this chair... are we looking at it fairly?

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7 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Yes, like craniosacral osteopathia, 

This is not a flat out false thing. It's a controversial practice though. 

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3 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

I've got to sell an energetically charged rock for $1,600 -- supercharge your meditation by a factor of 100!

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2 hours ago, Thought Art said:

@UnbornTao In theory, the materials you wear, place on earth you sit, direction you face when sitting, the temperature of the room, the foods you consume prior to and while meditating, the quality and quantity of your Qi, the sounds you hear, the purity of the air, the quality of the sunlight, the purity of your tissues, the health and strength of your body,... all play a roll in meditation.

A rock/ stone, could potentially help. Depends on how it sits energetically and how that would effect the body. I don't know enough about it. I would be skeptical, but wouldn't reject it because it is a stone, or because it's culturally cool to mock.

I am not saying a stone should be worth 1,600 but that a stone or crystal couldn't have healing or meditative health benefits.

I think there is some truth that wearing some stones can be therapeutic and spiritually beneficial. 

Just because something doesn't KILL CANCER, doesn't mean it doesn't have some benefit.

Best to avoid paying 1,600 dollars for it though.

At my local tea shop there is a tea cup for 650 dollars. Think it holds any water compared to the one I bought for 50$ which I think looks better?

Now, this chair... are we looking at it fairly?

Make that $6200. :P

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lol I was super triggered when I wrote this, my girlfriend called me this morning and was like “I just spent 2000$ to sit in this chair” 😂 


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How is this post just me acting out my ego in the usual ways? Is this post just me venting and justifying my selfishness? Are the things you are posting in alignment with principles of higher consciousness and higher stages of ego development? Are you acting in a mature or immature way? Are you being selfish or selfless in your communication? Are you acting like a monkey or like a God-like being?

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10 hours ago, Thought Art said:

@integral Placebo is extremely aligned when truth when it’s used with integrity. 
 

Please note: You haven’t proven or disproven the efficacy of these chairs. They could be great for promoting the bodies healing if they nourish the Qi.

I agree, in two weeks I have an appointment to sit in the chair 😅. Gotta go test it out. But the TV display is very cringe and screams scam

At 11:52 there is this psychedelic TV 

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Tony Robbins does like every biohack, just read his book Lifeforce.

Anything he talks about related to health and wellness really needs to be questioned. He is not properly vetting this stuff at all from a public health POV. You could easily waste a ton of money or worse.


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3 hours ago, integral said:

 

 

You could probably get the same benefits by getting sunlight and fresh air. 


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Spending 2k to feel balanced when balance is your natural state... 

Might aswell be selling water by the river.

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I have no doubt that there is potential in resonance, vibration and energy fields when it comes to well-being. When you are in an environment that feels comfortable to your body and soul, the nervous system can calm down from the usual fight & flight mode. This opens up capacities for trance-induced introspection, and even healing. The room appears to mimic some sort of meditative space, which I suspect is similar to the rooms in Vipassana retreats or ashrams. I'm sure meditation, especially long-term and hardcore types changes your brain frequency over time, and that can expand outwards to possibly leave a temporary imprint on spaces you do it in. Can potentially shield you away from the artificial and harmful frequencies of technology the cities are built upon. However, biophotonic light therapy? C'mon. Seems like a sophisticated woo-woo term, like isn't that what the Sun can provide you?

I admit I haven't thoroughly checked the scientific background of the research behind this system, but I'm almost sure it is a scam for this price (or a tool for the rich to get richer)

The closest quick biohack I found that improves people's well-being and healing is Vitamin D (and synergistic cofactors). Unless you are extremely sensitive to it (and are deficient like most who are not taking it), taking 10K+ IU once will provide you a heightened sense of well-being that can last for hours/days. Supplementing systematically over time, optimizing your levels can result in maintained well-being for your body and mind (throughout your life). Not mentioning the optimized immunity that reduces sickness, increased recovery rates, drastic reduction of risk for cancer, age-related issues like skeletal issues or dementia/AZD. Heck, even curing autoimmune diseases and cancer is not out of the picture with it.

Best part is that you can supplement for a year+ (including cofactors) on the price 20 sessions cost you with this EES.

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On 28/03/2025 at 2:36 PM, Thought Art said:

In fact, I think of lot of you guys meditating would benefit from Pranayama and Qigong which are Energy working practices. I've been studying with Dr. Yang Jwing Mind to deeper understand Qigong through Chinese and western perspectives. There is legitimacy there. Qi, is a real thing and learning about it could help you.

This is why I like this forum. I have not heard of those practises so will be trying them out tomorrow. Thanks for sharing

Any particular style of Pranayama or Qigong for grounding that you would recommend?

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On 3/28/2025 at 8:20 AM, integral said:

 It is a placebo, but that doesn’t mean it won’t work, it will work, because it fixes your unhealthy mindset. 

Bingo. This is how a human operates. 


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On 28.3.2025 at 1:01 PM, integral said:

They even sell pendants and crystals that prevent ageing for $500 each. 🤮

They could actually work though.

 

On 28.3.2025 at 1:01 PM, integral said:

Energy healers that are not giving you a complete holistic package of how to improve your health from every possible angle know nothing about healing and you’re dealing with low level green New Age spiritual nonsense.

Does a surgeon's scalpel not work if they don't also teach holistic health?

 

On 28.3.2025 at 1:01 PM, integral said:

There is no magic pill that’s going to heal you. Grow up. There is no Magic chair we’re just gonna sit on and heal yourself. Grow up. There is no magic pendant you can wear and stop ageing. Grow up. No magic crystal that’s going to help you stress levels. Grow up.

You sound very openminded here.

 

On 28.3.2025 at 1:01 PM, integral said:

It’s all placebo.

And you’re extremely affected by placebo because you’re hypersensitive to how everything makes you feel.

Placebo is amazing. It's amazing that it's possible to heal oneself in ways we can't explain physically.

 

On 28.3.2025 at 1:01 PM, integral said:

How something makes you feel is not energy. Grow up.

Stop projecting.

It is all assisted forms of meditation, not magical energy transferring from one person to another.

What's being transferred during the assisted meditation?

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I will give you a rundown of how "New Age healing" could work:

Let's say you buy a pendant from this highly charismatic, spiritually attuned and good-feeling energy person that makes you feel good in their presence. If this person has claimed to have imbued their energy into the pendant, or given it a specific healing power, here are two possibilities:

  1. Every time you wear the pendant or think about the pendant, you will be reminded of this person and their virtuous state and the state that you feel in their presence (which is one of peace, tranquility, safety, reassurance, etc.).

    This will have a real and direct impact on your state right now. Your mental state is directly reflected in your physical state (they are two sides of the same coin). And this could do things like reduce the rate of aging, cause increased rates of healing of physical ailments (through reduced stress, etc.).
     
  2. Who the fuck knows what reality is: maybe it is possible to imbue something in some way that has a special impact which differs from if you had not done that. That's the claim of places like the Dhyanalinga, or the Himalayas. People do claim this is possible, people with real "spiritual credentials" if we can call it that.

    Besides, reality is rampantly and in fact inherently mystical (unexplained by physical mechanisms), and we are all somewhat empathically and even telepathically attuned to each other (I believe we share information across mental space that is either poorly explained or indeed unexplained by physical mechanisms). 

    Now, if it's possible to leave an imprint in mental space (which we all do all the time by merely thinking), like an intention that a certain object will evoke certain states in certain people who wear it, then this intention could manifest its effects on those people, simply by virtue that we all share this mental space.

    And certainly if you are open, willing, and "bought in" (both ideologically and economically), and also align your focus and intention with it, then you will be more open to tune into this information in mental space.
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