Leo, do you still believe in determinism?

[Breakingthewall]

When I say that it's impossible for God to exist, I mean that a creator is impossible. In reality, there is no creation process; Being exists; it's different. Creating suggests a will directed by a purpose; Being implies direct existence. You are not creating your body, nor the neural interconnections that create images; they are Being; they are the expression of Being. Being has no motivation, since it is absolute. It seems to have one, because a motivation is something relative to something else, and this is not ultimately so; rather, it is absolute. Absolute means that what appears is an expression of Being, period. Apparent creation is an expression of Being, the same as a star, or the entire cosmos. You are that, Being. And to realize your nature, you must break down the barriers of the apparent, of the relative, and place yourself in the absolute perspective in which nothing has a cause; it just is.

Causality is apparent, and so is motivation. To say: you are God creating the reality out of love is apparent in all directions. I'm not stuck on anything at all. It's just that the absolute is extremely simple: it is, period. Any teaching that delves into causal relationships is a relative teaching, as relative as science.

9 minutes ago, Someone here said:

day and you still haven't figured out how Leo "works "?

How he works? I just tried to explain something obvious if you want to do enlightenment work. If you don't understand what absolute is you will get lost in the relative . It's just a matter of perspective 

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[Someone here]

17 hours ago, Never_give_up said:

Reality seems like a paradox, so how can you be so sure that you are not wrong about determinism?

Personally I think determinism is true and I like it that way, free will (randomness) seems very scary to me, but sometimes I wonder, if reality seems so paradoxical and illogical , how can I be so sure that determinism follows logic then? maybe reality is so illogical that it is random and not deterministic. I am so confused. 

 

(This question is mostly for Leo, but if anyone else wants to answer, you are more than welcome to answer)

Oh honey thats adorable..classic newbie question...good old free will vs determinism debate .

Sit down and get a piece of paper ..and I want you to write down the first movie that comes to your mind . Notice that whatever it was  ..Harry Potter ..Titanic.. batman etc..it just arose out of the blue . That's because if you look inside your skull there is no one there.  You're not authoring your thoughts ..that's because "you " is a thought . There's no one in the driver seat .it's perfectly out of control as Leo once said .so please chill.

[Someone here]

@Breakingthewall thats what Buddhists call thought attachement .

you need to take your mind less seriously.  Your mind is a bullshit generating machine .

It seems like you don't get the cosmic joke yet . Oh boy your in for a rude awakening 😂. 

 

[gettoefl]

Think about chess. Interesting game but entirely trivial, finite and deterministic. Every game is the same thing happening again and again. Same with life. When you pop out of the womb, your number of seconds lay before you. You cannot change one hair on your head or lack thereof in some of our cases, just like Jesus said in scripture.

Ah but there is just one thing you can do different that 99.999 in history have never done. Fear not, God has provided you a mechanism to choose different and exert free will for the first time ever.

So yes there's definitely free will.

Don't go stale, mate?

Gettit?

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[Breakingthewall]

39 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Breakingthewall thats what Buddhists call thought attachement .

you need to take your mind less seriously.  Your mind is a bullshit generating machine .

It seems like you don't get the cosmic joke yet . Oh boy your in for a rude awakening 😂. 

 

please, go to watch porn and smoking, or anything that people of your condition does. don't try to interact with adults, this is not your place

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[Breakingthewall]

Anyone who thinks reality is being created doesn't understand the absolute. The absolute is absolute simplicity. It is infinitely complex in its relative divisions, but ultimately it is absolutely simple: it is. The entire cosmos of infinite ramifications is the expression of being. There is no creative will; there is the inevitability of what is, developing its infinite potential. You can't spend hours talking about God because all you can say about God is: God is. There is nothing else; everything else is a relative aspect of being.

[Breakingthewall]

1 hour ago, gettoefl said:

Ah but there is just one thing you can do different that 99.999 in history have never done. Fear not, God has provided you a mechanism to choose different and exert free will for the first time ever.

God hasn't done anything like that, you are god, there is not anything above you giving you things. You are the being expressed as a human, you are an expression of god, you haven't been created , you are. Your experience is the reality taking this shape of infinite interconnections, without anyone controlling it, it's like hair of your head, are you creating it? How? It is, it appears because it's an expression of what you are, same than breath or sight , or anything. Enlightenment mean open yourself to the pure substance that is veiled by the facets that appear. It's here always, but it's veiled . You can be open to it full time, there is not a god protecting you or judging you, only you, the reality, flowing. If you can see through the veil of the form, you will see you, what you are, and you will say: hallelujah. Everything. The total existence. 

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[Someone here]

4 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

please, go to watch porn and smoking, or anything that people of your condition does. don't try to interact with adults, this is not your place

You're triggered like a kid when you could just actually look at what i said and the foolishness You're doing here.. And then talking about being an "adult"? Give me a fucking break. 

Porn?  Well why do you hate porn? Apparently God (your idol ) absolutely is in love with pornography. Because this industry makes billions of trillions of dollars . You wanna convince me that you don't like to unzip your pants and just goon out to some fucking wild ass Porn?  

Porn is God. Just like everything else .if God didn't like porn or thought that porn shouldn't exist he would have not created it.  But as far as I know  there seems to be endless porn content online its literally insane and mind-boggling..Apparently..God is a porn addict .just like you .

[Breakingthewall]

@Someone here I don't understand what you are talking about. I just wanted to point you that this is a serious conversation, and maybe you would be more comfortable in another environment, because your contribution didn't fit in this conversation. 

[Someone here]

@Breakingthewall oh you still do not get it ? Lets try again I'm not leaving you alone until you awaken properly. 

Everything you are saying here is absolute meaningless noise.  There is no difference between the sound of my farts and what you're saying .

323fddhffgz%^&^£78_fgdtggg ...this Is all you are saying for what it's worth .your mind is lying to you . Awakening is about breaking free from your mind.and you claim to be awake .meanwhile you are saying shit like this :

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Anyone who thinks reality is being created doesn't understand the absolute

Anyone who makes a statement like this  clearly haven't even done ABC true awakening  work.

Go play kung fu with your thoughts . 

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, Someone here said:

@Breakingthewall oh you still do not get it ? Lets try again I'm not leaving you alone until you awaken properly. 

Everything you are saying here is absolute meaningless noise.  There is no difference between the sound of my farts and what you're saying .

323fddhffgz%^&^£78_fgdtggg ...this Is all you are saying for what it's worth .your mind is lying to you . Awakening is about breaking free from your mind.and you claim to be awake .meanwhile you are saying shit like this :

Anyone who makes a statement like this  clearly haven't even done ABC true awakening  work.

Go play kung fu with your thoughts . 

I'm sorry that it's not understandable for you. Maybe in some years you could get it's sense, if you are serious in this work

[Someone here]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

if you are serious in this work

Uh-oh you're making a mistake again..one needs not be "serious " AT ALL. In fact if anything one needs to chill out more . Hindus have literally called existence Leela which translates to " play ". Buddhists call it maya which translates to " illusion ".  Jesus have told the wealthy man who asked him " how do I find God? ".Jesus replied " leave all your possessions and come beg for bread with me ". 

Literally every spiritual tradition has shitted on reality and the mind . And you ..the most intelligent thing ever know better than these people that reality is a serious thing ? And arguing with Leo about these niggle technicalities?  You need a serious slap on the butt .

 

 

[gettoefl]

3 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

God hasn't done anything like that, you are god, there is not anything above you giving you things. You are the being expressed as a human, you are an expression of god, you haven't been created , you are. Your experience is the reality taking this shape of infinite interconnections, without anyone controlling it, it's like hair of your head, are you creating it? How? It is, it appears because it's an expression of what you are, same than breath or sight , or anything. Enlightenment mean open yourself to the pure substance that is veiled by the facets that appear. It's here always, but it's veiled . You can be open to it full time, there is not a god protecting you or judging you, only you, the reality, flowing. If you can see through the veil of the form, you will see you, what you are, and you will say: hallelujah. Everything. The total existence. 

You are trapped, haven't you realised yet?

You can stay here for ever if you like.

Well a long time will seem like forever.

Here is going to end one day.

You can end it this lifetime or a trillion lifetimes later.

God doesn't mind.

But here ain't good, haven't you noticed yet?

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Someone here said:

Jesus have told the wealthy man who asked him " how do I find God? ".Jesus replied " leave all your possessions and come beg for bread with me ". 

Then all the beggars are enlightened. The work is serious because human nature is dual, due to how this experience is constructed, so there is always the dissatisfaction of an observer or knower who observes, understands, and seeks. What we want is for that dissatisfaction to disappear, since it is unsatisfactory, and the only, exclusive, singular, irreplaceable formula is enlightenment. And enlightenment is the breaking of the gap that your nature makes inevitable in you from the moment of your birth, the gap between you and reality. There are no shortcuts to breaking it; it is a long road.

[Breakingthewall]

5 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

You are trapped, haven't you realised yet?

You can stay here for ever if you like.

Well a long time will seem like forever.

Here is going to end one day.

You can end it this lifetime or a trillion lifetimes later.

God doesn't mind.

But here ain't good, haven't you noticed yet?

Trapped where?

[gettoefl]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

Trapped where?

Is here heaven or is it hell?

[Someone here]

8 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Then all the beggars are enlightened. The work is serious because human nature is dual, due to how this experience is constructed, so there is always the dissatisfaction of an observer or knower who observes, understands, and seeks. What we want is for that dissatisfaction to disappear, since it is unsatisfactory, and the only, exclusive, singular, irreplaceable formula is enlightenment. And enlightenment is the breaking of the gap that your nature makes inevitable in you from the moment of your birth, the gap between you and reality. There are no shortcuts to breaking it; it is a long road.

There is no you and there is no gap between you and reality .there is no work and there is no road.  Seriously where do you find these things?  You captured them in a jar or something?  Talk about something real .I mean for fucks sake right? 

"Reality " for your information is utterly and impossibly unknowable..nobody has the slightest idea what the fuck is happening right now .and this is going to be the case forever. Deal with it .

Goodbye. 

[Breakingthewall]

9 minutes ago, gettoefl said:

Is here heaven or is it hell?

It's the reality and I feel it's essence, my nature. But if something hurts and I can't sleep for 4 days in a row while working 12 hours a day, it's unpleasant.

 

Just now, Someone here said:

There is no you and there is no gap between you and reality .there is no work and there is no road.  

Sure , that's why Buddha was 15 years or like that searching 

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

The work is serious because human nature is dual, due to how this experience is constructed, so there is always the dissatisfaction of an observer or knower who observes, understands, and seeks. What we want is for that dissatisfaction to disappear, since it is unsatisfactory, and the only, exclusive, singular, irreplaceable formula is enlightenment.

Nice. Now go to work, magician.

[gettoefl]

1 minute ago, Breakingthewall said:

It's the reality and I feel it's essence, my nature. But if something hurts and I can't sleep for 4 days in a row while working 12 hours a day, it's unpleasant.

Happiness is impossible here.

But truth is, it's your absolute nature.

You can skip out of here.

I agree with all you said above.

It will become more and more prolonged.

And eventually you will be all you all the time.

Now you're the totality thinking you're the part.