New Video: Why God Cannot Be Proven

[ExploringReality]

@Leo Gura!!!!! Minutes ago before checking the forum and seeing this post, I had a visceral insight and vision of God as an infinite eyeball that wants to look at itself. This experience was so intense probably because I was laying down in the sun after a hard skateboarding session and the sun was in my face, I was thinking about God and your previous episode and then, it suddenly shined on me, this sentient infinite eyeball of God.

Also your background effect on your video is pitch black 🖤 there is an existential depth to your style. Like taking us on a orientation and presentation around the universe.

Edited Thursday at 08:29 PM by ExploringReality

[Yimpa]

Leo is wrong.

And I’m ALL RIGHT

[Yimpa]

Time to check into a mental intuition. AKA, my home 

[AION]

Good stuff. Length of the video: infinity

Edited Thursday at 09:58 PM by AION

[Yimpa]

1:23:39

 

[Daniel Balan]

Thank you Leo! 🥹🥹

[Yimpa]

Thank You Trump

I mean... TYT!

Kent... I mean Cent!

 

Produced by God

[GabeN]

This 3 episodes series about God looks promising to be so juicy I can’t wait to watch this new one!

Edited Friday at 05:50 AM by GabeN

[Judy2]

Thank you for the new episode, Leo! I am very grateful for your work and it seems to be connected to my own journey in so many ways. Lately, I have been watching some of your older episodes and it all ties together really neatly:)

In the video, you actually touch on something I have been meaning to ask you about, which is the intersection of "insanity" and awakening.

For example, one diagnostic criterion of borderline personality disorder is an unstable sense of self - which made me wonder because...isn't that normal in the sense that everybody's sense of self is constantly fluctuating, and ultimately illusory? But then we somehow use that to diagnose an illness in some people and pretend like it would be normal to have a fixed, rigid sense of self...which is a little backwards and it is the opposite of what you teach. At the same time, it is reasonable and even important to acknowledge an inherently unstable self-image as a lack of health and holistic well-being in a human being - especially since the ego is most likely still rigidly identified even with the shifting, unstable self-definition, which is antithetical to awakening and true self-realisation.

A good friend of mine @Exystem explained this to me by saying there first needs to be a grounded, well-developed ego before someone is ready to do spiritual work and deconstruct the self. Is that the same explanation you would give? 

I am also asking because, to me, my struggle with mental illness is somehow infused in my spiritual journey and was intricately connected to an ego death I had in 2020, less than a year after I discovered your channel and first learned about the possibility of awakening. If I had to give my personal opinion, I would say that mental illness can be destabilising and very much antithetical to awakening, truth, and self-realisation most of the time, but sometimes it can cross that boundary-line:) and go full-circle, getting so absurd in its instability or desperate attachment that the ego can push itself to its own fault lines, if that makes sense. It's like mental illness can definitely impact my state of consciousness in the negative sense, but that itself can sometimes be revelatory. (which is of course not to say I'm advocating for that, it's simply the dynamic I have observed in myself)

I'd love to hear your thoughts on this! @Leo Gura

Edited Friday at 08:01 AM by Judy2

[Leo Gura]

@Judy2 The issue of mental illness, multiple personality disorder, insanity, Awakening, and God is extremely complex. Do not settle for simplistic answers.

The ego that we talk about in terms of Awakening and no-self, is different than the self that is being talked about in the case of multiple personality disorder. Multiple personality disorder is a much more strange and twisted thing, which involves very unusual and complex self dynamics which do not exist in normal spiritual work. This will also be true for other serious mental disorders like schizophrenia.

However, of course, in the end, all of this phenomena is Consciousness, so there are interesting overlaps and connections.

People with heavy mental disorders or just strong neuro-divergence generally have looser baseline states of consciousness than ordinary folks. Their minds are less locked down, which means they are more unstable and chaotic. Weird forms can arise like demonic voices, seeing entities, seeing auras, etc. The more loose consciousness is, like on a psychedelic, the more chaotic and unstable it is, the more imaginative is it, the more it can hallucinate mystical stuff.  So yes, there is a connection between spiritual experiences and mental disorders because the normal human mind is so locked down that it never has a single spiritual experience ever. This makes the mind optimizes for mundane survival, like working in a factory. A more chaotic mind is more unstable and more artistic and more spiritual, which is why artists tend to be more psychotic and weird.

There is a wide spectrum between pure logical material rational mind and wild chaotic unstable psychotic mind. There's always a tradeoff between the two.

Psychedelics are the best example of loser consciousness. The point of a psychedelic is to make the mind more psychotic and insane.

There is more than one way for sense of self and loss of self to occur. There are healthy and unhealthy ways. Enlightenment is one way, but borderline personality disorder is something else. The self is a very weird, rich, and complete thing. It is not a simple binary on/off switch. You can have all sorts of weird notions of self, some of them healthy and others not.

You should not assume that the no-self of Awakening/Enlightenment will fix your mental instability or mental health issues. Maybe it will, but maybe it won't. And maybe it will even make it worse. It's impossible to predict.

Yes, developing a healthy ego is generally important before you go deconstructing the whole thing. A child needs to form a health sense of self. And this matter goes far into adulthood.

The reason mental illness relates to spirituality is because both are about having a looser sense of not just self, but also reality. As your sense of material reality loosens you will start to experience more mystical phenomena. This mystical phenomena could be positive, negative, or neutral. It's hard to predict. You could see angels, you could see demons, you could see space kangaroos. You could hear the voice of God, you could hear the voice of Satan, you could hear the voice of an alien. As the mind loosens you have to be more and more careful about self-deception and delusion because you can have very powerful, very deceptive hallucinations of things are not part of consensus material reality. That kind of mind is also very prone to making shit up and wild grandiose fantasy.

Finding a healthy balance on that spectrum is important. For people with mental illness the cure is about finding ways to ground yourself in reality vs fantasy. To make the mind less loose. You need a mind more like that of a factory worker than a psychotic. This can be achieved through medication, therapy, trauma healing, spiritual work, yoga, or whatever else.

For me, my goal is to become more psychotic. Because my mind is naturally too rigid.

Edited Friday at 08:38 AM by Leo Gura

[Judy2]

@Leo Gura Thank you for your reply, this makes sense to me:)  

In the video, you also say that every day hundreds of people are admitted into mental institutions and insane asylums because they are experiencing God and cannot cope with or contextualise it. I am very curious to hear where you got that number, or if that is merely an estimate you personally came up with?

Edited Friday at 08:47 AM by Judy2

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, Judy2 said:

I am very curious to hear where you got that number

I pulled it out of my ass.

But mental institutions are filled with such people. And of course even more who never check themselves in.

If you want to learn more, you can read the books and research of Stan Grof. He's studied this domain a lot.

I am not qualified to speak about mental illness. I just have my theories about it based on my own explorations of insane consciousness.

Edited Friday at 08:50 AM by Leo Gura

[Judy2]

@Leo Gura Okay I'll check it out:)

Is insane consciousness the same thing as God consciousness, or simply a different dimension of consciousness? Sorry if this is a stupid question, I'm just trying to understand (at least conceptually) how the two are related.

[Leo Gura]

19 minutes ago, Judy2 said:

@Leo Gura

Is insane consciousness the same thing as God consciousness

No, they are very different. Although God can still be "visible" so to speak in the insane states, or not.

There are thousands of different weird, higher, and sideways states.

Edited Friday at 10:38 AM by Leo Gura

[Judy2]

@Leo Gura okay:) 

[Princess Arabia]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

@Judy2 The issue of mental illness, multiple personality disorder, insanity, Awakening, and God is extremely complex. Do not settle for simplistic answers.

The ego that we talk about in terms of Awakening and no-self, is different than the self that is being talked about in the case of multiple personality disorder. Multiple personality disorder is a much more strange and twisted thing, which involves very unusual and complex self dynamics which do not exist in normal spiritual work. This will also be true for other serious mental disorders like schizophrenia.

However, of course, in the end, all of this phenomena is Consciousness, so there are interesting overlaps and connections.

People with heavy mental disorders or just strong neuro-divergence generally have looser baseline states of consciousness than ordinary folks. Their minds are less locked down, which means they are more unstable and chaotic. Weird forms can arise like demonic voices, seeing entities, seeing auras, etc. The more loose consciousness is, like on a psychedelic, the more chaotic and unstable it is, the more imaginative is it, the more it can hallucinate mystical stuff.  So yes, there is a connection between spiritual experiences and mental disorders because the normal human mind is so locked down that it never has a single spiritual experience ever. This makes the mind optimizes for mundane survival, like working in a factory. A more chaotic mind is more unstable and more artistic and more spiritual, which is why artists tend to be more psychotic and weird.

There is a wide spectrum between pure logical material rational mind and wild chaotic unstable psychotic mind. There's always a tradeoff between the two.

Psychedelics are the best example of loser consciousness. The point of a psychedelic is to make the mind more psychotic and insane.

There is more than one way for sense of self and loss of self to occur. There are healthy and unhealthy ways. Enlightenment is one way, but borderline personality disorder is something else. The self is a very weird, rich, and complete thing. It is not a simple binary on/off switch. You can have all sorts of weird notions of self, some of them healthy and others not.

You should not assume that the no-self of Awakening/Enlightenment will fix your mental instability or mental health issues. Maybe it will, but maybe it won't. And maybe it will even make it worse. It's impossible to predict.

Yes, developing a healthy ego is generally important before you go deconstructing the whole thing. A child needs to form a health sense of self. And this matter goes far into adulthood.

The reason mental illness relates to spirituality is because both are about having a looser sense of not just self, but also reality. As your sense of material reality loosens you will start to experience more mystical phenomena. This mystical phenomena could be positive, negative, or neutral. It's hard to predict. You could see angels, you could see demons, you could see space kangaroos. You could hear the voice of God, you could hear the voice of Satan, you could hear the voice of an alien. As the mind loosens you have to be more and more careful about self-deception and delusion because you can have very powerful, very deceptive hallucinations of things are not part of consensus material reality. That kind of mind is also very prone to making shit up and wild grandiose fantasy.

Finding a healthy balance on that spectrum is important. For people with mental illness the cure is about finding ways to ground yourself in reality vs fantasy. To make the mind less loose. You need a mind more like that of a factory worker than a psychotic. This can be achieved through medication, therapy, trauma healing, spiritual work, yoga, or whatever else.

For me, my goal is to become more psychotic. Because my mind is naturally too rigid.

Wow! This explained so much and gave for a better understanding of certain aspects of the individual mind. The part about the loosening of the mind and it's effects made sense to me especially. Never saw it that way. Why it makes sense to me is I can notice my own behavioral changes and also the similarities with what you've said in respect to the people I personally know. Those who are rigid VS a bit looser, the things they believe, how they operate, how they see the world and themselves - just by hearing them speak about it and why it can be difficult for them to understand or grasp this kind of work as in spiritual notions and concepts. I've noticed the rigid minds tend to not be so open to it. I've always been interested in how the mind works, so this is my cup of tea and a lot you've said here tied a few things together for me where I didn't understand that makes a lot of sense now with the use of comparisons'.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Dear Leo, could you please upload your videos onto the Apple Podcasts App? I want to listen to your new episodes when I'm out on walks.

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Dear Leo, could you please upload your videos onto the Apple Podcasts App? I want to listen to your new episodes when I'm out on walks.

I just play them on my phone and listen to it on youtube when I'm walking through my JBL speaker.

[Husseinisdoingfine]

2 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

I just play them on my phone and listen to it on youtube when I'm walking through my JBL speaker.

Yeah but I don't want to waste cellular data. The Apple Podcasts App allows me to download it when connected to WiFi and then listen to it when my cellular data and wifi are turned off.

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Yeah but I don't want to waste cellular data. The Apple Podcasts App allows me to download it when connected to WiFi and then listen to it when my cellular data and wifi are turned off.

Ok, cool but learning about Reality isn't a waste. I get it though.

Edited Friday at 02:56 PM by Princess Arabia