I feel that i can't change my situation, is a bit sad

[Yimpa]

5 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

If you need some videos or something let me know.

 

[Yimpa]

 

[Raze]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUTIMyxvCM8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUaep_B2_qE
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKoKdCyq0D8

 

[Davino]

Hi @Asia P, hope you're doing fine.

I'd say It's part of the process.

It's time for integration and grounding now. You liked nature, go have a walk in the forest and find joy in limitation back again.

Edited Friday at 07:39 AM by Davino

[Verg0]

@Asia P What would happen if you don't judge your current state of consciousness? 

But appreciate it and love it unconditionally? 

[Leo Gura]

5-MeO is rough. The loss of God afterward is rough to handle.

[Twentyfirst]

 

[Twentyfirst]

There's a funny Futurama episode where they all have to make Fry cry to get out of a situation

 

 

Fry: It's no use. I wanna cry but I'm just too macho.

Bender: I'll make you cry, buddy! You're a pimple on society's ass and you'll never amount to anything.

Fry: What do you mean? I was Emperor of a whole planet.

Bender: Good point. But here's a disturbing reminder: Everyone you knew or loved in the 20th century is dead.

Fry: These things happen.

Bender: OK, Fry, grab a Kleenex for this one, 'cause there's no God and your idiotic human ideals are laughable!

Fry: Phew! That's a load off my mind.

Bender: Man, I guess it's harder than I thought to make someone cry.

[Davino]

49 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

5-MeO is rough. The loss of God afterward is rough to handle.

It really is. 

It still is.

As a matter of fact, this is the reason why I sometimes despise comments like everything is God or Infinity is now, because once you truly experience God or Infinite Consciousness the contrast with human life is like night and day.

Edited Friday at 09:34 AM by Davino

[Verg0]

@Leo Gura 

46 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

5-MeO is rough. The loss of God afterward is rough to handle.

Still, better to have entered and united with God and return to the pain of separation than to have never entered in the first place. 

Cause that would be an unthinkable loss. 

 

"If the cost of having had these experiences is being haunted by their beauty for the rest of my life, better this than not to have had them at all" ~Chris Bache 

 

Even though there is this incredible heartache , we can still find some sense of Beauty in that. 

 

As so many poems express: 

"On my quest

I feel so confused and restless.

Set on fire, my heart explodes with the pain of separation. In this struggle, I am caught forever unless I go beyond this You and I. "  ~Rumi 

[Leo Gura]

There's also loss in meditation.

You lose your progress after a retreat.

[OBEler]

1 hour ago, Davino said:

It really is. 

It still is.

As a matter of fact, this is the reason why I sometimes despise comments like everything is God or Infinity is now, because once you truly experience God or Infinite Consciousness the contrast with human life is like night and day.

Oh how....can you explain? 

[Breakingthewall]

On 26/3/2025 at 7:32 PM, Asia P said:

Can i increase my level of consciousness somwhow? Or am i forced to live in this limited consciousness? In comparison to higher states that i reached with 5 meo dmt, life is so limited! This is honestly sad from my point of view

There is not difference between the normal state or being high with 5 meo, the only difference is that 5Meo inhibits certain mental barriers that make up your defined identity, the ego capsule. But you can permanently dissolve them when you're sober. In fact, 5 Meo is deceptive; it has a very false component. It's essential to realize this. No one has ever achieved enlightenment with 5 Meo. It's impossible because it expands the mind, breaking down certain energetic barriers, but it leaves the most basic barriers. It can't fully equalize the appearance of a doer with a motivation. An embryonic ego remains, and that ego seems like God.

Expansion with 5 Meo is never complete. It allows you to break through the gates of heaven and see, but in seeing, there remains an observer, subject, and object. This is often confused with enlightenment, but it isn't. The fundamental step is missing: the complete fusion with existence, truly being one with Being. No one who has taken this step will say they are the creator of reality; they will say they are the reality.

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Expansion with 5 Meo is never complete. It allows you to break through the gates of heaven and see, but in seeing, there remains an observer, subject, and object. This is often confused with enlightenment, but it isn't. The fundamental step is missing: the complete fusion with existence, truly being one with Being.

Nothing is missing in 5-MeO.

It is all that and more.

[Schizophonia]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Nothing is missing in 5-MeO.

It is all that and more.

Are you still afraid of 5 Meo?

[OBEler]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

Are you still afraid of 5 Meo?

What a question is this to someone who took it hundreds of times.

 

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

There is not difference between the normal state or being high with 5 meo, the only difference is that 5Meo inhibits certain mental barriers that make up your defined identity, the ego capsule. But you can permanently dissolve them when you're sober. In fact, 5 Meo is deceptive; it has a very false component. It's essential to realize this. No one has ever achieved enlightenment with 5 Meo. It's impossible because it expands the mind, breaking down certain energetic barriers, but it leaves the most basic barriers. It can't fully equalize the appearance of a doer with a motivation. An embryonic ego remains, and that ego seems like God.

Expansion with 5 Meo is never complete. It allows you to break through the gates of heaven and see, but in seeing, there remains an observer, subject, and object. This is often confused with enlightenment, but it isn't. The fundamental step is missing: the complete fusion with existence, truly being one with Being. No one who has taken this step will say they are the creator of reality; they will say they are the reality.

I am confused. A 5 Meo breakthrough is exactly that: the observer is vanishing. Complete fusion with existence. 5 Meo is absolutely capable of that I thought. You say subject and objective doesn't breaks down on a 5 meo breakthrough? I thought this is the definition of a breakthrough. Unfortunately I never had a real breakthrough so I can only say what I read.

 

"No one has ever achieved enlightenment with 5 Meo."

What about Martin ball? He seems to have archived it. 

Edited Friday at 02:51 PM by OBEler

[Thought Art]

5meodmt more more enlightening than is comfortable.

[Davino]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

Are you still afraid of 5 Meo?

There's s healthy fear in dealing with a nuclear bomb.

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Nothing is missing in 5-MeO.

It is all that and more.

I guess that It depends of the person. But what I mean is that what we call awakening, enlightenment, is the realization that you are the absolute. I think you agree with this. To realize that you are the absolute, the only way is to become absolute.

The configuration of human experience is relative. That is, there is always duality: one thing in contrast to another, cause and effect. Another configuration of experience could exist that is absolute, such as a tree or a fetus maybe. But the human one is relative. So, breaking that distance between points a and b, cause and effect, the observer and the observed, is very difficult; it's not natural. That's why no one is enlightened.

In my particular case, 5meo makes me realize that reality is infinite. But there is always an observer who sees that reality is infinite, that within my mind is infinity, and I am creating it. Something is missing here; the observer must merge with reality and fully realize its nature. Then you see that you are not creating anything; you are, and everything that appears are facets of your nature. They are inevitable, like the fact that your blood circulates. They are not caused; they arise from your infinite nature. Then you intuit the perfect synchronicity of the cosmos, how infinite being flows into itself in infinite dimensions. With 5 meo, I've never reached that; there's always been some separation.

[OBEler]

@Breakingthewall but there are so many reports where it's said with 5 meo this is possible. Ask Leo it happened to him. To Martin ball also.

I read so many trip reports about 5 meo that my common expectation is that you only have a real breakthrough if your observer vanishes and you merge with the observed. Pure non duality.

Although there may be a tiny bit of ego left but that's neglectable.

 

Edited Friday at 04:00 PM by OBEler