PurpleTree

How should Europe deal with a more hostile US?

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The rest of the world should enact a coordinated boycott of American businesses and products, ala Apartheid South Africa.

Despite puffing himself up as a strongman, Trump's regime is weak and unpopular - don't believe Trump's lies that he has a mandate, in actuality only 31.8% of the country actually voted for him (the rest of the country either voted for other candidates or stayed home).

He's got historically low approval ratings for a new president, which are poised to drop further as his idiotic, chaotic policies continue to tank the US economy.

A coordinated campaign to hit American companies in the pocket book could put serious pressure on the regime, and begin to separate Trump's regime from its pillars of support.

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From my sources, Europe is not doing so good, neither are we here in North America, at least Canada and the States, I think Trump is trying to change this for the States, we have to do it too for Canada, we've relied on the States for most everything now its biting us in our ass, but in the end we all need one another, these lines on maps are Man made, the Earth is being destroyed by Us, if we all do our own things, then that will make things worse, we need to combine resources, skills and drop the cultures or not be so identified with individual cultures, if we did this that everyone would benefit, not just certain citizens of certain countries while others continue to not prosper and go down as usual.. But I think this is not going to happen until some catastrophe happens and we're forced to do it or humanity dies... 


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36 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

From my sources, Europe is not doing so good, neither are we here in North America, at least Canada and the States, I think Trump is trying to change this for the States, we have to do it too for Canada, we've relied on the States for most everything now its biting us in our ass, but in the end we all need one another, these lines on maps are Man made, the Earth is being destroyed by Us, if we all do our own things, then that will make things worse, we need to combine resources, skills and drop the cultures or not be so identified with individual cultures, if we did this that everyone would benefit, not just certain citizens of certain countries while others continue to not prosper and go down as usual.. But I think this is not going to happen until some catastrophe happens and we're forced to do it or humanity dies... 

Europe isn't in the debt the u.s. is, some European countries have savings actually. The u.s. needs the world economy like no one else, isolation would be catastrophic for the u.s. and no one else.

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11 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Europe isn't in the debt the u.s. is, some European countries have savings actually. The u.s. needs the world economy like no one else, isolation would be catastrophic for the u.s. and no one else.

Well this is because the US has taken a leadership role over the last decades providing certain things to happen for World Trade and so forth, plus it takes tons of $$ to be the powerhouse they became, Europe did not do this since WW2 so that is why they are not in as much debt, but they maybe in the near future and with Russia on their doorstep who's knows if they can handle it on their own...

I think the Middle East, the ones in good shape are going to prevail, I don't know for sure, but lots are flocking to places like Dubai where there is more freedom and its safe and good business practices, so who knows.. The US is still the world leader in most things, and the biggest economy so we'll see, China is on the downfall from my sources...complicated, glad I am not a politician lol!!


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8 minutes ago, Ishanga said:

Well this is because the US has taken a leadership role over the last decades providing certain things to happen for World Trade and so forth, plus it takes tons of $$ to be the powerhouse they became, Europe did not do this since WW2 so that is why they are not in as much debt, but they maybe in the near future and with Russia on their doorstep who's knows if they can handle it on their own...

I think the Middle East, the ones in good shape are going to prevail, I don't know for sure, but lots are flocking to places like Dubai where there is more freedom and its safe and good business practices, so who knows.. The US is still the world leader in most things, and the biggest economy so we'll see, China is on the downfall from my sources...complicated, glad I am not a politician lol!!

Lol more freedom in Dubai?

Stop trolling

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16 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Lol more freedom in Dubai?

Stop trolling

Of course its not absolutely Freedom, they have their restrictions too, but from what I know its safe, good weather except for the summer, and close to other places,, but its getting too busy there, traffic is getting bad, construction and such headaches, but they luv their Entrepreneurs, and ppl get motivated and learn at a high learning curve.. As with any place someone has to do the work, its not a perfect place but I think its better than here in Toronto the business center of Canada, which is too scary busy, old infastructure, old politics, crazy ppl, too expensive and such, and much the same or worse in many places in the States, it depends on how much Money You have, if Your rich You live like a king anywhere, but here You still have to deal with the shit weather and bad traffic and hassles.. Dubai is like Florida use to be:) 

Not sure why I am even responding to You considering who You are...

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A Young Toronto Entrepreneur experiencing Dubai recently and how he thinks about it...

 


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3 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Mexico and Canada are also in a pickle

Ah, so that’s why pickle prices have been spiking. 

Like getting hit in the head with a 100mph volleyball.


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https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/26/world/europe/ukraine-us-nato-eu-defense.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7E4.klGd.UfXSd6A651W8&smid=url-share
 

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Europe Talks Tough on Military Spending, but Unity Is Fracturing

European leaders are struggling to find the money and the political will to replace the bulk of the U.S. contribution to Ukraine and to their own defense.


Looks like it really was just bluster. I was expecting this, if they were actually serious we would have seen them increasing their military seriously since 2022. 

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1 minute ago, PurpleTree said:

Mexico and Canada are also in a pickle

 

Here's my Argument, living in Canada here is what I am hearing on the media, its twofold, first they say the our economies and even culture are intertwined, which it True since I've lived here all my life, I was brought up on American TV, music and such, I know more of their history than I do of Canada, who their presidents were and so forth, we all luv'd to travel to the States and many Canadians are like this, the other side is that some maybe lots maybe not, don't want to become the 51st state, I don't understand why other than having an Identity with Canada, and its history (my Dad was in WW2 so I know all about this stuff)... In the end we are basically the same country, even in the States, not all the states are the same with the same sort of ppl, the ppl in the south are not like the ppl in New York or Boston or California, so its the same situation and tons of suffering is going to come from this identity problem when we are basically the same ppl, with the same culture and values, maybe the Americans are a bit more patriotic and cocky then we are, but I know allot of Impolite Canadians that is for sure!!


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MAGA and republicans will lose big in coming elections as long as Trump doesn't manage to steal them. This is a nightmare we need to get through for 4 years and then we will wake up and things will be back to somewhat normal. The USA's interest is maintaining the liberal order and being allies with the EU. Selfishness isn't steering the MAGA ship; stupidity is. 


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38 minutes ago, martins name said:

MAGA and republicans will lose big in coming elections as long as Trump doesn't manage to steal them. This is a nightmare we need to get through for 4 years and then we will wake up and things will be back to somewhat normal. The USA's interest is maintaining the liberal order and being allies with the EU. Selfishness isn't steering the MAGA ship; stupidity is. 

You’re assuming foreign policy will change without Trump in office. Effectively Biden continued Trumps policies foreign policy wise indicating it’s the unified vision of the uniparty or deep state officials. Trump was arming Ukraine which Biden continued. Trump cracked down on China which Biden didn’t change. Trump backed out of the Iran deal and Biden didn’t try and remake it. 
 

It’s entirely possible a Democrat next in office will effectively do the same things, albeit slower and in a less abrasive and offensive way. There are many explanations beyond trumps ego as to why America would want to distance from Europe and let Ukraine go. Such as focusing on assisting Israel and targeting China. 

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4 minutes ago, Raze said:

You’re assuming foreign policy will change without Trump in office. Effectively Biden continued Trumps policies foreign policy wise indicating it’s the unified vision of the uniparty or deep state officials. Trump was arming Ukraine which Biden continued. Trump cracked down on China which Biden didn’t change. Trump backed out of the Iran deal and Biden didn’t try and remake it. 
 

It’s entirely possible a Democrat next in office will effectively do the same things, albeit slower and in a less abrasive and offensive way. There are many explanations beyond trumps ego as to why America would want to distance from Europe and let Ukraine go. Such as focusing on assisting Israel and targeting China. 

Also to get a wedge between Russia, China, Iran (also for Israel the arch enemy of Iran)

but it seems highly unlikely. This way the US is just seemingly going to lose all “allies” 

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@Raze You are talking like we are still in the first Trump administration. What I'm talking about are terrifs, threatening annexation of Greenland and mishandling of Ukraine invasion.


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15 hours ago, martins name said:

MAGA and republicans will lose big in coming elections as long as Trump doesn't manage to steal them. This is a nightmare we need to get through for 4 years and then we will wake up and things will be back to somewhat normal. The USA's interest is maintaining the liberal order and being allies with the EU. Selfishness isn't steering the MAGA ship; stupidity is. 

That's assuming we still have free and fair elections in 2026 - it's a safe bet that Trump and his Project 2025 backers will be doing everything in their power to make sure that doesn't happen.

Trump has already said 'Blue states will be wiped off the map', and that MAGA 'wont have to worry about voting anymore'. The Cheeto Man just signed an Executive Order trying to mandate proof of citizenship in order to register to vote (ie a passport or a certified birth certificate, which a large chunk of the country doesn't have). He's trying to dismantle the post office, which would effectively end voting by mail. He's been weaponizing fringe, bad-faith interpretations of the law to interfere with the  Democratic Party's ability to fundraise.

We may be less than 30 days away from Trump using a manufactured crisis at the Southern border as a flimsy excuse to declare martial law through an Executive Order, and has been purging the military of servants who place their oath to the Constitution above their personal loyalty to Donald Trump for just that purpose. 

Trump has been using ICE as his personal gestapo, abducting people off the streets in order to terrorize dissenters into anticipatory obedience - not a stretch to imagine that this will only increase going forward, since there's so far been zero consequences for this Nazi-like behavior. Hell, we could be in a shooting war with Canada or Mexico or Panama or Greenland by 2026, for all we know.

In short - we're in uncharted territory here, don't assume anything about 2026 will resemble 'business as usual'.

Edited by DocWatts

I have a Substack, where I write about epistemology, metarationality, and the Meaning Crisis. 

Check it out at : https://7provtruths.substack.com/

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