Entities entering during trips

[Psychonaut]

My spiritual healer who has helped me quite a lot to clear out old baggage that I have been holding onto, especially inner child related things believes that during a trip any entity could possibly enter me as I am energetically completely open. I am not too sure what to make of this tbh and really would like to do some more 5-MeO-DMT trips. On the other hand I don't know if they will greatly help me either. I also follow Jan Essmann and have received Shaktipat from him to awaken my Kundalini. He as well has strongly advised against taking strong psychedelics as it makes the energy channels (Nadis) rigid. Basically everyone is telling me to not do it...

[Leo Gura]

When you take 5-MeO-DMT you will realize your spiritual teachers are fictions.

[LambdaDelta]

Most of this entity stuff is New Age nonsense, go deep enough and you'll see how they're projections of your mind. Doesn't mean they're unreal, quite the opposite, nor does it mean they can't provide you with valuable insights or hurt you in some way, that's all still on the table.
How about creating your own entity to help run your life in the background? Possible, I've done it, pretty sure others have as well. 

[Salvijus]

2 hours ago, Psychonaut said:

believes that during a trip any entity could possibly enter me as I am energetically completely open

There are many reports from trippers itself that would testify to the reality of this phenomena. Many more than you're aware of probably. You'd be surprised. I would say most if not all trippers have parasitic attachments but are not aware of it. You need to do psychedelics in a ceremonial conditions where a shaman holds a protective space and protects you while your body is vulnerable. That's the point of him being there. 

Edited March 25 by Salvijus

[Flowerfaeiry]

2 hours ago, Psychonaut said:

My spiritual healer who has helped me quite a lot to clear out old baggage that I have been holding onto, especially inner child related things believes that during a trip any entity could possibly enter me as I am energetically completely open. I am not too sure what to make of this tbh and really would like to do some more 5-MeO-DMT trips. On the other hand I don't know if they will greatly help me either. I also follow Jan Essmann and have received Shaktipat from him to awaken my Kundalini. He as well has strongly advised against taking strong psychedelics as it makes the energy channels (Nadis) rigid. Basically everyone is telling me to not do it...

I’ve had 12 ayahuasca ceremonies and it opened me up to all sorts of energies. It’s been a strange 2 years…

[BlessedLion]

On 3/25/2025 at 9:39 AM, Psychonaut said:

My spiritual healer who has helped me quite a lot to clear out old baggage that I have been holding onto, especially inner child related things believes that during a trip any entity could possibly enter me as I am energetically completely open. I am not too sure what to make of this tbh and really would like to do some more 5-MeO-DMT trips. On the other hand I don't know if they will greatly help me either. I also follow Jan Essmann and have received Shaktipat from him to awaken my Kundalini. He as well has strongly advised against taking strong psychedelics as it makes the energy channels (Nadis) rigid. Basically everyone is telling me to not do it...

This is silly, don’t believe what these people say. They like to dramatize trips like that. It’s like your subconscious and processing. 
 

I know these kinds of “healers” all too well. Anything that goes weird or wrong is always some kinda fucking entity 

[Leo Gura]

5 minutes ago, BlessedLion said:

I know these kinds of “healers” all too well. Anything that goes weird or wrong is always some kinda fucking entity

Oh, you are definitely an evil entity

[Lyubov]

You give your power away when you believe an entity has any sort of power or control or authority over you. It’s as transient as a thought if you allow it to be. 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

You give your power away when you believe an entity has any sort of power or control or authority over you. It’s as transient as a thought if you allow it to be. 

What about people who hear demonic voices in their head which they cannot stop or control?

It's easy to dismiss as transient if it actually is. But what if it isn't?

You're assuming a certain stability of mind.

Edited March 27 by Leo Gura

[Lyubov]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

What about people who hear demonic voices in their head which they cannot stop or control?

It's easy to dismiss as transient if it actually is. But what if it isn't?

You're assuming a certain stability of mind.

It’s difficult to say. I don’t know any specific people like this who don’t eventually wake up from this trap, and when I experienced this myself from having radical trips on Ayahuasca I eventually realized I had my own finger firmly on this button (entires, demon voice, loss of control). I’ve said it here before, it’s impossible to be a victim. It’s kind of a pill that’s a bit hard to swallow for people because from where they may be in life or how they are choosing to view things, it may come off like a slap in the face to tell them they are creating their trauma, they are creating their emotions and they are creating entities. So I say that with compassion and understanding that with what they know and their current perspective that they may need to expand their perspective more. But I am able to share this teaching now. Maybe some will be ready to understand it and take responsibility for themselves, and of course there are people who physiologically should absolutely not take these substances, but it should be clearly stated that the entity experience is another creation through belief which if one wants to inquire on can see it can be let go of.

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Lyubov said:

it’s impossible to be a victim.

I propose that you are being too flippant and taking your own privelge and health for granted.

All of that assumes a healthy stable mind, which is not something you have control over.

If you had schizophrenia your theory would crumble.

It's so easy for a healthy person to say, you're not a victim. That's like Brad Pitt telling incels, Just walk up and say Hi.

Edited March 27 by Leo Gura

[Lyubov]

8 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I propose that you are being too flippant and taking your own privelge and health for granted.

All of that assumes a healthy stable mind, which is not something you have control over.

If you had schizophrenia your theory would crumble.

I don’t think I’m taking it for granted, I’m grateful for it but this is my lived experience and I realize there are other people who are making the best with what they have, I don’t mean to downplay mental struggles and challenges people may be facing and this is just my lived experience where the wording may not resonate with anyone. 

I assume that most people here and most people in general who are trying to live honestly and better connect to their inner world will come to understand they create their emotions and are at the center, not a victim or at the affect of them or trauma or entities. You can cultivate a healthy and stable mind. 

And with that said I say this within the context that the forum here is comprised of people who have done the leg work to create a healthy and stable mind for themselves. I don’t believe anyone should be doing psychedelics if their mind is not healthy (even people with healthy minds need to be careful of the risks associated with these substances) and this especially applies to people with schizophrenia who I would never advise to use psychoactive substances.

I am not entirely familiar with schizophrenia and I do think this teaching I am sharing is something that has to be sensitively given to someone with that condition. I don’t consider schizophrenia and demons from psychedelic trips to be the same. 

 

Edited March 27 by Lyubov

[Leo Gura]

Just cause most demons are fake doesn't mean all of them are.

Edited March 27 by Leo Gura

[Lyubov]

I’m not saying there aren’t any dangers or serious mistakes to be made when taking a psychedelic. A teacher of mine saw his high school friend jump to his death out of an 8 story building because he believed he was super man, kid took too much LSD. Did that turn out to be true? There’s nuance to what I’m saying, but im inviting people to inquire on this. What do you believe about entities. Why do you believe it. See for yourself. 

Edited March 27 by Lyubov

[mmKay]

Can I blame evil entities if my green gf catches me cheating?

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On the other side you gave me a cool idea. Whenever I'm stuck in a bad mood or petty mindset I'll blame it on evil entities so I don't identify with it and want to snap out of it like ripping off leeches from your neck 

Its nice to have different levels for your sense making and worldview.

Absolute not-knowing, materialistic science, biology, evolution, society, whacky woo-woo, soul's journey and karma, advanced metaphysics, subtle intuition, etc.

Just don't too get lost with wild theories 

Edited March 27 by mmKay

[SamC]

17 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Just cause most demons are fake doesn't mean all of them are.

@Leo Gura

Have you met demons in your trips Leo?

Edited March 27 by SamC

[Yimpa]

18 minutes ago, SamC said:

@Leo Gura

Have you met demons in your trips Leo?

Yes, me of course!

[Leo Gura]

25 minutes ago, SamC said:

@Leo Gura

Have you met demons in your trips Leo?

No

[Pudgey]

I think people take Ayahuasca for granted, as well as entities. People tend to project their own experience, unto others - but not realize that people can have very different direct experiences. 

Yes, entities can be used to justify all sorts of bad trips - but the same justification are used for 'it's in your mind,' 'you have control,' 'it's just your subconscious mind.' 

Entities and Possessions can be VERY real and YOU CAN have them, even with a healthy mind and positive thoughts. You can also develop schizophrenic delusions,  obsessive thoughts, uncontrolled and intense-imagination if you are not careful. These things can happen, no matter how well you think or how healthy you think you are. 

Saying that people are causing their trauma or issues, is the next 'woo-woo' justification - because what if the person HAD a healthy mind and couldn't stop demonic voices or being raped by demons each trip? Do we say it's their fault because they have deeply rooted trauma from childhood? What if they actually had a GOOD childhood and LITTLE to NO trauma? Do we blame their dad and mother?

Not all things is rooted in trauma or subconscious mind.

Sometimes consciousness just fucks you up. 

[Malekakisioannis]

@Leo Gura what about those mathematical demons you ve been talking about?