There are two big types of leftists

[Alexop]

7 minutes ago, Elliott said:

It's not socialism either. For us being the 'intellectual side', we really need to be less reckless with language.

I said "more socialism". Yes it is, more regulations, more state power, more redistribution of wealth.

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Alexop said:

I said "more socialism". Yes it is, more regulations, more state power, more redistribution of wealth.

That's not socialism.

 

"Socialism is a form of government in which most forms of property are owned or controlled by the state for the benefit of all."

"Socialism is a form of government in which most forms of property, including at least the major means of production and natural resources, are owned or controlled by the state."

[carterfelder]

1 minute ago, Elliott said:

That's not socialism.

 

"Socialism is a form of government in which most forms of property are owned or controlled by the state for the benefit of all."

"Socialism is a form of government in which most forms of property, including at least the major means of production and natural resources, are owned or controlled by the state."

Aren’t both of you right, minus the “benefit of all” part?

[Daniel Balan]

When I was a kid, I was super religious as everyone around me was. And I hated everything and everyone who wasn't into hardcore religion as my community was. During my mid teens until the present day I developed a extremely rebellious personality and I started to abhor religion with all my being. I fancied myself a stage green planet earth lover. But I've noticed that I'm blue AF. Because the same way I hated the non religious people when I was a kid, now I hate the stage blue, right wing, MAGA like Christian fundamentalists. Basically I've just changed the thing I was hating on, but I have never moved out from blue. One clear sign to tell if you are stuck in blue is if you hate others, if you demonize people or if you have a us vs them mentality. 

[Twentyfirst]

Transgenderism is the equivalent of the final awakening of enlightenment for lefties lmao 

[Alexop]

@Elliott left an right spectrum is a human construction which can be too simplistic. We should use conservative vs. progressive; capitalist vs. socialist separately 

Socialism and capitalism is not a black and white decision that a state takes. It is a spectrum. There i no "socialist" state. Even in communist Romania where capitalism was illegal. There still was a "black free market". 

Even in the "capitalist" USA, there still are public airports, medicare, police, firefighters -- socialism.

Police: socialism 

Cars running on the roads: capitalism regulated by socialism.

Capitalism without socialist elements would be total anarchy, the void of power eventually being filled by the most powerful force, enslaving the rest until they ask for their rights.

Edited yesterday at 05:00 PM by Alexop

[Alexop]

35 minutes ago, Daniel Balan said:

When I was a kid, I was super religious as everyone around me was. And I hated everything and everyone who wasn't into hardcore religion as my community was. During my mid teens until the present day I developed a extremely rebellious personality and I started to abhor religion with all my being. I fancied myself a stage green planet earth lover. But I've noticed that I'm blue AF. Because the same way I hated the non religious people when I was a kid, now I hate the stage blue, right wing, MAGA like Christian fundamentalists. Basically I've just changed the thing I was hating on, but I have never moved out from blue. One clear sign to tell if you are stuck in blue is if you hate others, if you demonize people or if you have a us vs them mentality. 

Exactly, they just hate other stuff, but the level of consciousness is still low AF

[Elliott]

11 minutes ago, Alexop said:

@Elliott left an right spectrum is a human construction which can be too simplistic. We should use conservative vs. progressive; capitalist vs. socialist separately 

Socialism and capitalism is not a black and white decision that a state takes. It is a spectrum. There i no "socialist" state. Even in communist Romania where capitalism was illegal. There still was a "black free market". 

100% public airports: socialism 

Cars running on the roads: capitalism regulated by socialism.

Socialism and Capitalism are in regards to the means of production, airports do not produce, roads do not produce, they can be neither socialist or capitalist. Is your car made by a government or company, your house, your food.

I think what you're referring to in this thread is best categorized as progressive vs conservative, but really those are still gross generalizations when categorizing voters.

[Alexop]

2 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Socialism and Capitalism are in regards to the means of production, airports do not produce, roads do not produce, they can be neither socialist or capitalist. Is your car made by a government or company, your house, your food.

I think what you're referring to in this thread is best categorized as progressive vs conservative, but really those are still gross generalizations when categorizing voters.

Airports offer services, roads are products and service. It is also about distribution of power. More state power, more socialism. More private power, more capitalism. Those who own/decide how capital flows own the power. Money=power.

[Alexop]

@Elliott it is true that with this post I meant progressive people not the left, but people perceive the left as progressive, so it works. But it is a flaw in our culture.

ChatGPT: "Not all left-wing politics are progressive. Many left-wing groups prioritize economic issues over cultural progressivism, and some even resist modern progressive values. The "new left" (progressive left) and "old left" (traditional socialist left) sometimes clash over priorities."

 

Edited yesterday at 05:34 PM by Alexop

[Alexop]

@Leo Gura You are a genius. This is why most women get politics wrong or have an incomplete perspective, because you have to be an autistic weirdo in order to understand all this nerdy shit, which most women are not. They have empathy though, which sometimes is enough.

Imagine saying this in a wokie corporation meeting. You would be kicked out of the continent.

[Elliott]

31 minutes ago, Alexop said:

@Elliott it is true that with this post I meant progressive people not the left, but people perceive the left as progressive, so it works. But it is a flaw in our culture.

ChatGPT: "Not all left-wing politics are progressive. Many left-wing groups prioritize economic issues over cultural progressivism, and some even resist modern progressive values. The "new left" (progressive left) and "old left" (traditional socialist left) sometimes clash over priorities."

 

Ya, I wasn't meaning to single you out. I meant in general public discussion it has really run out of any usefulness.

46 minutes ago, Alexop said:

Airports offer services, roads are products and service. It is also about distribution of power. More state power, more socialism. More private power, more capitalism. Those who own/decide how capital flows own the power. Money=power.

No, you mean public vs private enterprise. Capitalism and Socialism are not a spectrum.