If you have the money to get out of the USA, why haven't you?

[FourCrossedWands]

Trump is still pro economy and pro stock market. Just imagine if Bernie Sanders was the US president. The stock market would have been crashed by at least 50% right now.

Trump is just kicking the can down the road as everyone else.

Edited Monday at 09:48 AM by FourCrossedWands

[gettoefl]

Life depends on two things: how many people you need to worry about and how much money you have to your name.

Your life is equally good or bad in ANY country depending on the smallness of factor 1 and the largeness of factor 2.

Today go to a nightclub / restaurant in Beijing, Moscow, New York and tell me if there's a difference.

In my case I am as free as a bird. On the other hand location matters little to me. I only need the basics available anywhere.

[oldhandle]

  On 3/24/2025 at 9:47 AM, FourCrossedWands said:

Trump is still pro economy and pro stock market. Just imagine if Bernie Sanders was the US president. The stock market would have been crashed by at least 50% right now.

Trump is just kicking the can down the road as everyone else.

Why on Earth do you think that

Bro is just golfing

[oldhandle]

  On 3/24/2025 at 8:33 AM, Leo Gura said:

Yes, stuff like that will certainly happen. There is always the chance that you will end up as collateral damage in society. That chance has increased under Trump.

You may catch a stray bullet in a protest.

I remember you video on Maturity, which I really liked. It seemed like the Leo in that video wouldn't have this "oh everything will be the same and it's nbd if Trump is elected" perspective. I'm kinda baffled. 

[Leo Gura]

  On 3/24/2025 at 1:01 PM, oldhandle said:

I'm kinda baffled.

Don't forget to watch the episode on Balance

[Lyubov]

My life has been affected by the shifting sands of politics. I can’t just blame it all on one person even though that would be convenient. Things are more expensive where I want to live in the USA and there are housing shortages, also changes in job markets which is somewhat due to politics.  It’s not all a Republican thing, the entire political system included even decisions made by other countries has affected me. I think the main reasons to get out of the USA is how expensive it has gotten, you don’t get the same bang for your buck there. Also socially many people have become weird and reclusive, gun violence as well. It’s difficult to make friends in the USA compared to other places. It’s also incredibly competitive to date as a straight man. Weird culture shifts as well as economics have changed dynamics there in a way which makes it hard to date for men and in addition there is simply a lack of feminine and beautiful women as well there. So it’s better to go somewhere where it’s safe, affordable and lots of beautiful women. And I say that not as an excuse to be a creep and go somewhere to corrupt yourself with chasing foreign women. Go somewhere that’s amazing for culture, stability and beauty and where you can build a family. 

Edited Monday at 02:49 PM by Lyubov

[Emerald]

  On 3/24/2025 at 8:18 AM, Leo Gura said:

Yes, of course. But this thread was asking why I personally haven't run away.

On that basis, your answer suffices.

But these things only feel like an exaggeration if you're insulated from it all... and you may not personally care about anyone deeply who is in those other categories. 

And because of that, you're underestimating the impacts the decisions made by this administration will have on average people as you feel safe and protected from the worst impacts.

And I know you see this perspective that you're entertaining as you being more objective and giving a more proportional reaction to the overall picture of things. But your perspective isn't actually doing that at all... as the trade off for good fortune is that it creates veils of ignorance that block harsher realities from you.

And you have those veils in many categories: being from the USA with an American accent, being wealthy, being self-employed, being male, etc.

And because of these veils of ignorance that come with good fortune, your perspective is skewing in the opposite direction of a disproportionate reaction (disproportionate under-reaction) because you are uniquely insulated from it compared to 90% of people.

So, what seems like and is a balanced reaction to you is actually imbalanced from the perspective of the majority of people.

[oldhandle]

Yeah - nothing about his comments on the matter seem balanced to me. They don't seem in sync with his previous criticism of Trump. Now he's just like, "eh nothing major will happen" even when so many major things have already occurred in only 2 months. It's, again, baffling.

And when you have a successful internet business, nothing even ties you to the piece of land that is America, you can literally keep running this website and Youtube from anywhere. 

If I seem defensive it's only because he accused me of being overly invested in politics as the reason I moved from the beginning which is just not the case and seems a little hypocritical based on how many posts I see him engage in on that topic.

[yetineti]

The US economy affected me was when I was seven years old and my dad was laid off for a while around 2008 for longer than usual.

Otherwise, Scott Walker (Wisconsin) passed a right to work bill 10 years ago that affects a Union job I have now. However, it is more an issue of principle than a direct effect on my experience.

COVID was big obviously.

Nothing has really changed though. Especially compared to other countries and other standards of living.

Like Leo said, war or major crash and I am screwed— but otherwise?

There is a reason you can live life without ever engaging with politics. It doesn’t affect your life the way you think.

Try going a week without politics and see what your real responsibilities are at the moment.

Then go a week without water and notice any differences.

— Sidenote —

You guys started this topic, asking a question, and then just tell Leo he has no ground to give his input because you did not like his answer.

If you moved halfway through the Biden administration or feel like you need to move now— you’re fleeing. You’re running away and your brain is being rotted by politics. 

In countries as bad as the ones you describe, your ability to leave is much lower.

Your ability to leave is the insulation itself. Not staying.

What are you afraid of, really?

 

Edited Monday at 07:57 PM by yetineti

[yetineti]

@Emerald

90% of people still spend their time the same way they did 10 years ago.

What does that tell you? We’re all insulated.

It sounds like you have biases of your own, having to deal with the issues around Medicaid and your husband that you described.

I would not want to be in your shoes. But I wouldn’t say I’m overly privileged either.

I am a white male, but I live alone and I am not rich and I don’t think I will be anytime soon. 

I have issues too. But I live alone.

When the time to flee the country comes, there will be nothing between me and making that decision as I am the only one responsible for me.

Most people are far from that. I am far from that.

Never panic. If you live alone, you cannot afford too.

Edited Monday at 08:11 PM by yetineti

[Breathe]

  On 3/24/2025 at 5:05 PM, Emerald said:

But these things only feel like an exaggeration if you're insulated from it all... and you may not personally care about anyone deeply who is in those other categories.

That's my take as well.

When I was healthy I could relate to Leo's position, but after a freak accident I couldn't work more than 2 hours a day for almost 10 years.

I fear for those that aren't healthy.

I'm a first generation American, the rest of the family are legal immigrants (citizens now). I look white, but they are being super cautious about being profiled because they look Mexican as hell.

I have family that DID work for the government, one was forced to retire early because of DOGE. The other is just looking for something new now. This was just in the last month

Also, I work in tech, and right now, there are very few jobs. The market has been highly competitive since around when Biden took office. Who knows what's on the horizon. All my coworkers are terrified of being laid off.

I do think Leo is underestimating the economic situation that's going to unfold. Comparing this to the Biden+Trump 1.0 era is comparing apples to oranges.

[Socrates]

Saying things "haven't changed" is the ultimate cope. People left and right get mistreated either by being transported to a neighboring country's jail or denied entry to the US just cause they "tweeted against Trump".

And this is the beginning, things dont look good for the USA. If you willingly stay it is not a matter of "things not changing enough to leave" but a lack of accountability and integrity to adhere to someone's values. 

A fascist society will never be a good breeding ground for anyone wanting to build anything worthwhile on.

Edited Monday at 08:57 PM by Socrates

[yetineti]

@Socrates 

If you have the option to leave, you are not in a fascist state. At least not an effective one.

 

 

Edited Monday at 09:09 PM by yetineti

[Jodistrict]

I lived outside the US for 15 years and came back.  I plan on leaving again, but not for politics.  Most of the people giving lip service to leaving never will because they are not suited for the adventure.  I have found that once you get out of America, most people in the world aren’t  obsessed with America and its politics. 

[yetineti]

@Jodistrict

I wish this was obvious to Americans.

They all sound so ungrateful.

Like you said, they won’t move. And I won’t either.

Because there is not a better system than America. There is no obvious 2nd option.

Everybody talks about leaving the US. Nobody tells you where they’d go.

If there was a better system to exploit, Americans would be exploiting it already.

—

And for the millionth time, everyone, it costs money to leave.

How spoiled of you to even be able to decide what country to live in!

 

 

 

Edited Monday at 09:25 PM by yetineti

[Socrates]

@yetineti The lack of foresight is astounding. If you would risk waiting until martial law is in place you have failed strategically.

If you guys can't take the hints where this is heading I dont know what to tell you. Hopefully, I'm wrong, but I'm usually not.

[oldhandle]

  On 3/24/2025 at 7:54 PM, yetineti said:

The US economy affected me was when I was seven years old and my dad was laid off for a while around 2008 for longer than usual.

Otherwise, Scott Walker (Wisconsin) passed a right to work bill 10 years ago that affects a Union job I have now. However, it is more an issue of principle than a direct effect on my experience.

COVID was big obviously.

Nothing has really changed though. Especially compared to other countries and other standards of living.

Like Leo said, war or major crash and I am screwed— but otherwise?

There is a reason you can live life without ever engaging with politics. It doesn’t affect your life the way you think.

Try going a week without politics and see what your real responsibilities are at the moment.

Then go a week without water and notice any differences.

— Sidenote —

You guys started this topic, asking a question, and then just tell Leo he has no ground to give his input because you did not like his answer.

If you moved halfway through the Biden administration or feel like you need to move now— you’re fleeing. You’re running away and your brain is being rotted by politics. 

In countries as bad as the ones you describe, your ability to leave is much lower.

Your ability to leave is the insulation itself. Not staying.

What are you afraid of, really?

 

LMAO the premise that everyone who leaves America is some sort of fleeing traitor is so unbelievably cucked.

[oldhandle]

  On 3/24/2025 at 9:22 PM, yetineti said:

@Jodistrict

I wish this was obvious to Americans.

They all sound so ungrateful.

Like you said, they won’t move. And I won’t either.

Because there is not a better system than America. There is no obvious 2nd option.

Everybody talks about leaving the US. Nobody tells you where they’d go.

If there was a better system to exploit, Americans would be exploiting it already.

—

And for the millionth time, everyone, it costs money to leave.

How spoiled of you to even be able to decide what country to live in!

 

 

 

I did move tho lmao. And you don't make sense - Leo has the money to move if he so chose - so he's spoiled? I thought you were defending him. Doesn't make sense.

Edited Monday at 10:32 PM by oldhandle

[oldhandle]

  On 3/24/2025 at 9:25 PM, Socrates said:

@yetineti The lack of foresight is astounding. If you would risk waiting until martial law is in place you have failed strategically.

If you guys can't take the hints where this is heading I dont know what to tell you. Hopefully, I'm wrong, but I'm usually not.

This guy wrote 

"If you moved halfway through the Biden administration or feel like you need to move now— you’re fleeing. You’re running away and your brain is being rotted by politics. "

So I wouldn't take anything he says seriously.

[Leo Gura]

  On 3/24/2025 at 5:05 PM, Emerald said:

So, what seems like and is a balanced reaction to you is actually imbalanced from the perspective of the majority of people.

This is incorrect. Majority of people are fine. 1% of people will be screwed.

Don't forget that a majority voted for this. Majority hated Biden, so let them have a taste of Trump.

Edited Monday at 10:54 PM by Leo Gura