5-meo vs meditation induced awakening

[Breathe]

Ok, i have a few questions here...

Is awakening through psychedelics the same as awakening through meditation? Is the effect the same?

Also, does awakening through psychedelics make it easier to access the awakened state easier through meditation? If so, why do you think that is on a very precise, technical level?

Does awakening the natty way become easier for those that use psychedelics?

For some reason I feel compelled to ask this question, based on this quote by Nisargadatta Maharaj :

“Wisdom is knowing I am nothing,
Love is knowing I am everything,
and between the two my life moves.”

What does he mean by that? Is the experience of being everything and being nothing a reference to different types (or depths) of awakenings?

[shree]

23 minutes ago, Breathe said:

Is awakening through psychedelics the same as awakening through meditation? Is the effect the same?

I never had a sober awakening but after a psychedelic breakthrough it feels like I could have an effortless breakthrough during sober meditation, for some time after the psychedelic experience.

 

24 minutes ago, Breathe said:

Also, does awakening through psychedelics make it easier to access the awakened state easier through meditation? If so, why do you think that is on a very precise, technical level?

A psychedelic awakening can create a neural imprint, making the meditative path to that state more familiar and accessible afterward.

26 minutes ago, Breathe said:

“Wisdom is knowing I am nothing,
Love is knowing I am everything,
and between the two my life moves.”

What does he mean by that? Is the experience of being everything and being nothing a reference to different types (or depths) of awakenings?

You are dreaming everything and everyone, including your human-self.

Therefore it's all nothing.

At the same time you have unlimited potential to be everything.

 

I have no idea why Leo and other teachers call this Love since I never had an insight about infinite love.

 

That is how I currently see it based on my direct experiences.

 

 

 

[Carl-Richard]

8 hours ago, Breathe said:

Is awakening through psychedelics the same as awakening through meditation? Is the effect the same?

There are similarities and differences. Psychedelics are like a roller coaster; slow climb, epic descent, high-energy, often challenging, sometimes terrifying. Meditation is like a slow angelic ascent into the clouds, the descent is like a fluff of pollen in a soft summer breeze. But meditation can also be challenging and terrifying. It's just a bit easier to snap out of it (unless you've gone past the point of making meditation your baseline state).

 

8 hours ago, Breathe said:

Also, does awakening through psychedelics make it easier to access the awakened state easier through meditation? If so, why do you think that is on a very precise, technical level?

Probably for some. Because it gives a concrete goal and sense of direction. If you have already experienced, if only for a millisecond, or if only in the most murky and delusional form, what you're looking for, that makes it easier to know when you're getting closer to it or when you're getting farther away for it.

But still, people who meditate in order to awaken but who has not had a previous awakening experience (psychedelic or not) tend to have a strong intuition of what it is like, and that too will work in a similar way to guide them.

What is usually learned when you have the full experience is not that it was completely antithetical to what you were expecting, but rather that the sacrifices and the real-life implications of embodying that experience fully, were completely antithetical to what you both were expecting and maybe also what you really wanted.

 

8 hours ago, Breathe said:

Does awakening the natty way become easier for those that use psychedelics?

Probably for some.

 

8 hours ago, Breathe said:

For some reason I feel compelled to ask this question, based on this quote by Nisargadatta Maharaj :

“Wisdom is knowing I am nothing,
Love is knowing I am everything,
and between the two my life moves.”

What does he mean by that? Is the experience of being everything and being nothing a reference to different types (or depths) of awakenings?

You have form and formlessness. You can recognize formlessness (without distinctions), i.e. being nothing, or you can recognize form without distinctions, i.e. being everything.

Edited 21 hours ago by Carl-Richard