Neo-Nazis Use Graham Hancock's Theories

[PurpleTree]

47 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

So you think in the US it’s also happening now with MAGA and then they’ll outgrow it?

Although it could take 300 years like in Poland 🤗 

[PurpleTree]

8 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

Although it could take 300 years like in Poland 🤗 

And Poland could still easily slip back into authoritarianism and chasing dreams of perceived lost times of glory and greatness.

Edited 4 hours ago by PurpleTree

[Emerald]

5 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

Nope in many Western European countries it’s not really the case. Like France, Portugal, Switzerland, Denmark, England i haven’t really heard them claim those things for example. 

That's interesting. I had assumed that all older countries have a group of hyper-nationalist Fascist-types dreaming up all sorts of wild stories like that.

But it then causes me to wonder... is it just because the outlandish story places that have that have a fuzzier history, or one that isn't well-taught in schools?

[Emerald]

3 hours ago, Basman said:

I feel like that people who cling to past glory, real or not, tend to be older alcoholic men.

Apt

[Emerald]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Sorry to spoil it for ya'll, but all the world's greatest monuments were personally built by my family. Ya'lls ancestors are a bunch of lazy losers.

But you forget... that while that may be true, they were only the lowly stone masons in my family's employ, who drew up all the blue prints for all the great monuments and commissioned all of them. 

[Emerald]

3 hours ago, PurpleTree said:

So you think in the US it’s also happening now with MAGA and then they’ll outgrow it?

The US doesn't really have that too much.

But it's not because we outgrew it or something. I'm sure that if such a narrative were fed to nationalist-types in a drip-fed propaganda kind of way, they'd lap it right up.

I just think it's harder to do when you're a multi-ethnic country... and a young one at that. 

If you know the starting point of a people OR it's really clear that there's little blood relation between the people, it's harder to super-impose that kind of stuff onto their history.

[PurpleTree]

24 minutes ago, Emerald said:

That's interesting. I had assumed that all older countries have a group of hyper-nationalist Fascist-types dreaming up all sorts of wild stories like that.

But it then causes me to wonder... is it just because the outlandish story places that have that have a fuzzier history, or one that isn't well-taught in schools?

I‘m sure it’s a fringe element everywhere but it’s not mainstream like in Hungary or Nazi Germany or now MAGA.

15 minutes ago, Emerald said:

The US doesn't really have that too much.

But it's not because we outgrew it or something. I'm sure that if such a narrative were fed to nationalist-types in a drip-fed propaganda kind of way, they'd lap it right up.

I just think it's harder to do when you're a multi-ethnic country... and a young one at that. 

If you know the starting point of a people OR it's really clear that there's little blood relation between the people, it's harder to super-impose that kind of stuff onto their history.

I mean the last A stands for again no?

Let‘s get back to dreams of former glories and harmony and stuff?

[Emerald]

4 minutes ago, PurpleTree said:

I‘m sure it’s a fringe element everywhere but it’s not mainstream like in Hungary or Nazi Germany or now MAGA.

I mean the last A stands for again no?

Let‘s get back to dreams of former glories and harmony and stuff?

Yes, that is true that MAGA has the Fascist Golden Age structure of "We were once great, but we fell. So, we need to make us great again!"

What I mean is that our Fascist mythos is more based on vague ideas about the 1950s, which is something we have more information about. There's an idealization and a super-imposition of a mythos that intertwines with the pop-culture of that time.

But the American "Make the empire great again" story doesn't involve outlandish ideas like "the ancient Americans built the pyramids"... but only because we hang our ultranationalist stories on more modern events that we have less mystery around.

The closest thing to that is in Mormonism where they believe that the Garden of Eden was located in America.

[PurpleTree]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

Yes, that is true that MAGA has the Fascist Golden Age structure of "We were once great, but we fell. So, we need to make us great again!"

What I mean is that our Fascist mythos is more based on vague ideas about the 1950s, which is something we have more information about. There's an idealization and a super-imposition of a mythos that intertwines with the pop-culture of that time.

But the American "Make the empire great again" story doesn't involve outlandish ideas like "the ancient Americans built the pyramids"... but only because we hang our ultranationalist stories on more modern events that we have less mystery around.

The closest thing to that is in Mormonism where they believe that the Garden of Eden was located in America.

Yes the thing with the pyramids is ultra fringe i think. I‘ve heard afro centrist like black israelites claim their ancestors built the pyramids. Although they’re usually from west Africa and there are no pyramids. And maybe nazis because they think indo europeans did everything. Abd as you said Hungarians although i’ve never heard their claims. Not even Italians or Greeks claim the pyramids.

[Basman]

1 hour ago, Emerald said:

What I mean is that our Fascist mythos is more based on vague ideas about the 1950s, which is something we have more information about. There's an idealization and a super-imposition of a mythos that intertwines with the pop-culture of that time.

America was founded on the idea of self-betterment. American exceptionalism, which conservatives tend to subscribe to, is all about America as a nation being a heroic endeavor to escape poverty and tyranny. Americans like to see themselves as heroes coupled with this kind of libertarian idea of the frontiersman wrenching success through hardship. That is what they mythologize. Much of their history is framed as heroic, like the revolution or WW2.