Neo-Nazis Use Graham Hancock's Theories

[Leo Gura]

This is wild:

 

[Lyubov]

Brain rot like Graham Hancock's theories opens up the doors to all these weirdos hopping on board and shoveling more shit onto the deck. Because that space of intellectual ambiguity isn't really based in anything and especially doesn't prioritize integrity, and uses all sorts of twisty turny fallacies to fend off arguments against it, it makes for fertile ground for corrupted information and belief systems to plant their seed adjacent to it. This is why you see nazis like this flock to fringe stuff. They wouldn't even be able to gain a foothold in anything closer towards traditional academia or an editorial because of the cross referencing and self reflection that is common practice in these circles in order to be platformed. But these guys have social media now, which if you know how to hook people with any old piece of shit, you can have them consider your viewpoint even if it culminates in racial cleansing or stealing.

Edited 23 hours ago by Lyubov

[Scholar]

Bro what is going on with these nazis. They are talking about racism as if it was some sort diet trend, calling it "being racial". It's like some sort of skit, how is this even real.

[kavaris]

history such a weird topic, cause you can put anything in between us and mitochondria eve, or watever that neutral mother character was, that all humans now derive from, its like... its weird to even say anything about one hundred years ago let alone 13,000 years ago or whatever watchamakalits whole shtick is... historys like, this annoying part of the system, cause everything depends on a previous—and its like, it implies that the previous takes precedence over the newest in line, and that in itself is so burned into us, and its one of those patterns we cant get rid of til death, tryas we might.

[ExploringReality]

They're using it for confirmation bias.

[kavaris]

You could do a whole episode/series on history. its like, a pattern, wherein everything we do is always keeping one eye behind us in time, trying to maintain continuity, even though really... who knows what reality looks like when everything is eyes forward.. presumably its just 24 07 proper madness no doubt

[aurum]

41 minutes ago, Scholar said:

Bro what is going on with these nazis. They are talking about racism as if it was some sort diet trend, calling it "being racial". It's like some sort of skit, how is this even real.

Profound relativity.

No one thinks their worldview is insane or outlandish. It's a good lesson in how deep of a problem self-deception is.

[kray]

Graham Hancock is an embarrassment to the field of archeology and history. Don’t waste your time with this man. 

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, Scholar said:

Bro what is going on with these nazis. They are talking about racism as if it was some sort diet trend, calling it "being racial". It's like some sort of skit, how is this even real.

Cold plunge >> butthole sunbathing >> jiu jitsu >> carnivore diet >> ancient aliens >> neo-Nazi

The pipeline

Edited 21 hours ago by Leo Gura

[gambler]

Well, the thing that these racists have going on, is that it is true that the Indo-European expansion started around Eastern Europe. And the ancient proto-Indo Europeans (PIE) are more closely related to Europeans than modern-day Iranians, or South Asians. This used to be taboo to say was true, especially since academia being left-leaning has a bias against this as it might play into the whole Aryan Neo-Nazi stuff. But the thing is, genetic testing of ancient populations made this impossible to deny. And in hindsight, it was a failure of the academic community to deny the archeological record. The archeological record itself was irrefutable. However, despite it being true that Eastern European Hunter Gatherers around the Pontic-Caspian steppe were the progenitors of a group (PIE) that would expand into the rest of Europe, the Caucasus, Central Asia, Iran, South-Central and South Asia, it's not true that they came to these regions as the same as their forefathers. Right off the bat, prior to the expansion of the proto-Indo Europeans (PIE), they took women from the Caucasus where at that point in time, these people that inhabited the Caucasus were West Asians genetically. So the proto-Indo Europeans (PIE) had a dilution of European ancestry during their ethno-genesis. As they kept expanding into non-European territories, they kept taking women and mixing with the local population, so European ancestry kept getting diluted. This is seen through the dominance of their Y-DNA distribution in these regions today. By the time they came into South Asia (through the route of Central Asia), it's highly unlikely they were anything resembling a European. And while Hinduism might have similarities with other Indo-European religions, it's still obvious that many of its deep philosophical thoughts was developed independently in India.

But this is what fuels this stuff. It's some half-truth that gets extrapolated in a delusional way. However, I have no idea what other things are fueling the beliefs about the Incas and Aztecs, there is usually something more to their theories than these guys mentioned a white person built this.

Edited 20 hours ago by gambler

[Breathe]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Cold plunge >> butthole sunbathing >> jiu jitsu >> carnivore diet >> ancient aliens >> neo-Nazi

Jiu-jitsu is actually pretty fucking cool.

And don't knock butthole sunbathing until you try it ya close-minded prick

[freddyteisen]

@Leo Gura If they just stuck to the first ones you mentioned lol—

Cold plunging, sunbathing, jiu jitsu, carnivore diet (although I’d add some fruit & veg to the carnivore diet)

then that would be better:)

[ExploringReality]

@Breathe

Why am I laughing so hard 🤣 

[Rafael Thundercat]

9 hours ago, kray said:

Graham Hancock is an embarrassment to the field of archeology and history. Don’t waste your time with this man. 

I have his big book called Fingerprints of the Gods. Luckly I paid only 1 Euro in the charity shop.

[Rafael Thundercat]

8 hours ago, gambler said:

Well, the thing that these racists have going on, is that it is true that the Indo-European expansion started around Eastern Europe. And the ancient proto-Indo Europeans (PIE) are more closely related to Europeans than modern-day Iranians, or South Asians. This used to be taboo to say was true, especially since academia being left-leaning has a bias against this as it might play into the whole Aryan Neo-Nazi stuff. But the thing is, genetic testing of ancient populations made this impossible to deny. And in hindsight, it was a failure of the academic community to deny the archeological record. The archeological record itself was irrefutable. However, despite it being true that Eastern European Hunter Gatherers around the Pontic-Caspian steppe were the progenitors of a group (PIE) that would expand into the rest of Europe, the Caucasus, Central Asia, Iran, South-Central and South Asia, it's not true that they came to these regions as the same as their forefathers. Right off the bat, prior to the expansion of the proto-Indo Europeans (PIE), they took women from the Caucasus where at that point in time, these people that inhabited the Caucasus were West Asians genetically. So the proto-Indo Europeans (PIE) had a dilution of European ancestry during their ethno-genesis. As they kept expanding into non-European territories, they kept taking women and mixing with the local population, so European ancestry kept getting diluted. This is seen through the dominance of their Y-DNA distribution in these regions today. By the time they came into South Asia (through the route of Central Asia), it's highly unlikely they were anything resembling a European. And while Hinduism might have similarities with other Indo-European religions, it's still obvious that many of its deep philosophical thoughts was developed independently in India.

But this is what fuels this stuff. It's some half-truth that gets extrapolated in a delusional way. However, I have no idea what other things are fueling the beliefs about the Incas and Aztecs, there is usually something more to their theories than these guys mentioned a white person built this.

Do you get books,sources for this ideias? I wish to study more. I live in Portugal so I study among other things the History of Druids,Gauls,Bretons,Francs,etc.. 

[gambler]

8 hours ago, Rafael Thundercat said:

Do you get books,sources for this ideias? I wish to study more. I live in Portugal so I study among other things the History of Druids,Gauls,Bretons,Francs,etc.. 

You got chatGPT, you can pick its brain. 
Wikipedia covers the general idea, but beware it’ll cite all these sources but not all studies and their conclusions are equal:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-Europeans

Your best bet to understand these things is to look at the data yourself from these studies. 

[Schizophonia]

17 hours ago, gambler said:

Well, the thing that these racists have going on, is that it is true that the Indo-European expansion started around Eastern Europe. And the ancient proto-Indo Europeans (PIE) are more closely related to Europeans than modern-day Iranians, or South Asians. This used to be taboo to say was true, especially since academia being left-leaning has a bias against this as it might play into the whole Aryan Neo-Nazi stuff. But the thing is, genetic testing of ancient populations made this impossible to deny. And in hindsight, it was a failure of the academic community to deny the archeological record. The archeological record itself was irrefutable. However, despite it being true that Eastern European Hunter Gatherers around the Pontic-Caspian steppe were the progenitors of a group (PIE) that would expand into the rest of Europe, the Caucasus, Central Asia, Iran, South-Central and South Asia, it's not true that they came to these regions as the same as their forefathers. Right off the bat, prior to the expansion of the proto-Indo Europeans (PIE), they took women from the Caucasus where at that point in time, these people that inhabited the Caucasus were West Asians genetically. So the proto-Indo Europeans (PIE) had a dilution of European ancestry during their ethno-genesis. As they kept expanding into non-European territories, they kept taking women and mixing with the local population, so European ancestry kept getting diluted. This is seen through the dominance of their Y-DNA distribution in these regions today. By the time they came into South Asia (through the route of Central Asia), it's highly unlikely they were anything resembling a European. And while Hinduism might have similarities with other Indo-European religions, it's still obvious that many of its deep philosophical thoughts was developed independently in India.

But this is what fuels this stuff. It's some half-truth that gets extrapolated in a delusional way. However, I have no idea what other things are fueling the beliefs about the Incas and Aztecs, there is usually something more to their theories than these guys mentioned a white person built this.

I read somewhere that the "purest" white people were actually the French/Spanish from the Basque country.
No joke, lol.

Edited 3 hours ago by Schizophonia

[gambler]

26 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I read somewhere that the "purest" white people were actually the French from the Basque country.
No joke, lol.

That's ridiculous. The Basque people have a lot of Anatolia Neolithic ancestry, which has a bunch of Middle Eastern ancestry. They're only special in the sense that they, and non-admixed Sardinians, have preserved their pre-Indo European Farmer ancestry the most. But this fails to tell you that they are a hybrid mix. And that there was a population before them, that unlike them, was actually the most pristinely European. And that's West European Hunter Gatherers (WHG). These guys were mostly replaced by the spread of these basque/sardinian-like Farmers in most of Western Europe. The spread of Indo European people from the Steppe actually brought back a lot of European ancestry to Europe as they began replacing the farmers. Not only that, but Eastern Europe probably still had a lot of Eastern European Hunter Gatherer ancestry that wasn't completely replaced by the farmers (which is similar to WHG but with a slightly East Asian pull). And that probably was being picked up by the incoming Steppe peoples. There was also a surge of West European Hunter Gatherer ancestry that brought back a lot of European ancestry. The whites that have the most indigenous European ancestry today are Northwest and Northern Europeans, like the English, Irish, Swedes, etc.

Edited 3 hours ago by gambler

[Schizophonia]

54 minutes ago, gambler said:

That's ridiculous. The Basque people have a lot of Anatolia Neolithic ancestry, which has a bunch of Middle Eastern ancestry. They're only special in the sense that they, and non-admixed Sardinians, have preserved their pre-Indo European Farmer ancestry the most. But this fails to tell you that they are a hybrid mix. And that there was a population before them, that unlike them, was actually the most pristinely European. And that's West European Hunter Gatherers (WHG). These guys were mostly replaced by the spread of these basque/sardinian-like Farmers in most of Western Europe. The spread of Indo European people from the Steppe actually brought back a lot of European ancestry to Europe as they began replacing the farmers. Not only that, but Eastern Europe probably still had a lot of Eastern European Hunter Gatherer ancestry that wasn't completely replaced by the farmers (which is similar to WHG but with a slightly East Asian pull). And that probably was being picked up by the incoming Steppe peoples. There was also a surge of West European Hunter Gatherer ancestry that brought back a lot of European ancestry. The whites that have the most indigenous European ancestry today are Northwest and Northern Europeans, like the English, Irish, Swedes, etc.

I see 🤔

[gambler]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

I see 🤔

Sorry, I wrongly assumed the Basque were similar to Sardinians. They actually differ in they have a surge of WHG ancestry. Though I still think they aren’t the most European, but I don’t know. 

In this principal component analysis, seems like some of the grey triangles (representing different European individuals from various ethnicities) marked N_Europe is closer to the indigenous and least admixed ancient European population of WHGs. 

 

By the way this is a bit of an awkward PCA, I’m pretty sure it removed non west Eurasian elements from South Central Asians, so they plot closer to the steppe herders than they should. 

Edited 51 minutes ago by gambler