So tired of gurus telling me I need to suffer first to deserve happiness

[Vynce]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course as you develop you take things less personally so suffering is reduced.

Some things just roll off your back.

No.

There is bad trips.

There's the difficultly of facing harsh truths about yourself and reality.

There's destablization of your mind.

There's various risks and dangers.

Any of that. Plus physical damage. Plus the suffering of losing your access to God.

The last point. Super underrated. 
And I see it rarely being spoken about here. 

God can be this beautiful little fairy that dances with you at a summer festival, only to vanish like she was never there. Some times almost feel heartbroken by God. 
 

Why is no one talking about this. 

 

God is not something to learn or know and keep. It’s this 10/10 woman, that comes along, messes up your life and leaves you like the NPC you are  
 

Of course it’s not always like that.

[Davino]

@Shodburrito Anything worthy in life involves sacrifice. In the measure that you give yourself, you shall receive. If for the things of this world, this is the law, for the ultimate worth, which is the unveiling of what I am, the nature of consciousness itself, the sacrifice is the greatest.

[Davino]

15 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

If you said a word, you were operating within the framework of meaning, that is, of the structured mind. True mystical opening doesn't occur at that level; it's a liquid level, where no word means anything, since any meaning is solid. Everything solid must melt to become what you are without the conceptual mind or the energetic barriers of the psyche. God is a mental construct, and it's absolutely impossible for the phrase: You are God creating reality, to be anything but completely false. 

Oh so now you tell God what it can do and what it can't do?!!

I've contemplated a lot what is your path and I've come to the conclusion is the full liberation of the self knot contraction and full openness to reality (limitless). I don't know if you've reached infinity yet although surely you will at some point. All that you're doing is necessary I've done it myself ans it's epic but it's not God, it's still very human-centric "liberating from the human bounds" but what Human are you talking about bro? Truly God has no restrictions for anything, it's not bounded to any particular state, experience, or mode of being, it happens within and without that and is existence itself, pure Consciousness, it's fucking God, It's the Infinity that manifests all infinities/finities. That's what you are.

I'm sorry you haven't realized God but don't gaslight me. Hopefully one day it strucks you like a thunderbolt. It's the ultimate blessing. Realizing your Infinite Godly nature is no joke.

[Breakingthewall]

43 minutes ago, Davino said:

sorry you haven't realized God but don't gaslight me.

I'm not gaslighting, I am merely pointing out something absolutely obvious, and I do so because I see it as a barrier—I can’t help but highlight it. I’m not doing it to be a smartass; I do it because the idea of God being discussed in this forum is absolutely impossible. "God" is just a word, and it can point to various possibilities. But here, specifically, when people talk about God, they refer to something that is performing an action, dreaming, that has a result, the apparent reality, and that is doing this for a reason: because it wants to. And it wants to for another reason: because it wants to experience itself as deeply as possible.

This idea is limited in every way, and anyone who clings to it is trapped. God cannot experience itself "as deeply as possible" because its depth is total. it is not moving from a place of lesser depth to one of greater depth. This is a limitation, and it limits, and beyond that, it is impossible. God is not creating this reality for a reason, love, because this implies the opposite possibility , when in fact, the infinite is not moving or doing anything, it just is. It is absolutely incomprehensible because it is infinite, and to comprehend it with the mind is finite.

Any understanding of God is finite and, therefore, incorrect. The only thing you can do is grasp your own essence, what you are, and realize that the mind is just a toy that occurs within the infinite, and therefore, it cannot understand it. It is absolutely incomprehensible because "understanding" itself is merely an apparent creation of the infinite.

God is the totality, and totality is not a mind. Minds are just toys that appear within it and are ultimately meaningless. The infinite has no meaning, no purpose, no will, and no intelligence—these arise within it as apparent realities, as relative movements of the absolute reflecting upon itself.

To be in the "mind of God" is to be deceived because God has infinite minds, and none of them mean anything at all. To surrender to God is to surrender your reason and open your heart. The "God" being discussed here is not God—it is a god, and its relevance is no greater than that of a fly.

Do you know the real God? It's just the infinite being , without anything else. Anything else is just an appearance. The only God that exists is you, and you are not doing anything, you are just being. Being includes everything, right now you are, that is God in all it's infinite power. You don't need to create, dream, or do anything, you are, always, the absence of limits is this, and it's always being, absolutely. It's absolutely direct, inevitable, you can't avoid it, you just are the absolute flowing in itself always. Can't you see it? There is not any god, it's this, the absolute in all it's power, do you remember when you were a kid? Nothing was separate, now is exactly the same. It's absolutely meaningless, just is. That's all, and it's wonderful, is total 

So maybe right now you're thinking: Yes, but then why are things ordered, or perfect ?You're already lost. You can't think that and at the same time be open to God, because if you do, you're involved in a movement within infinity, and that movement can never, under any circumstances, grasp infinity. It's a trap that can keep you going around in circles. The only way is dropping the mind, it's obvious, anything else is a trap. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Breakingthewall]

54 minutes ago, Davino said:

Oh so now you tell God what it can do and what it can't do?!!

No, I'm telling you what you can do and what you can't do to be opened to God . It's annoying and arrogant, I know 😅

Edited 5 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Yimpa]

@Davino @Breakingthewall

 

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

@Davino @Breakingthewall

 

That's god. Absolutely direct, being. It's not dreaming, it's being. Dreaming is indirect, is an action. No action is taking place, all that you see, the infinite cosmos, is just being. Being is infinite, unfathomable, absolute, total, direct. This, is the whole thing. Feel it deeply, because you are that. It's too obvious . Infinite different faces for the same core. Call it god if you want, but it's doing nothing, it's inevitable, so let's open our heart to it, nothing else could be done 

Edited 4 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Yimpa]

4 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's god. Absolutely direct, being. It's not dreaming, it's being. Dreaming is indirect, is an action. No action is taking place, all that you see, the infinite cosmos, is just being. Being is infinite, unfathomable, absolute, total, direct. This, is the whole thing. Feel it deeply, because you are that. It's too obvious . Infinite different faces for the same core. Call it god if you want, but it's doing nothing, it's inevitable, so let's open our heart to it, nothing else could be done 

 

[Breakingthewall]

3 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

 

😂

[Davino]

@Breakingthewall I find most of the things you say accurate. 

I think one day we should meet in real life and trip. Besides that, we should schedule a video talk, what this medium can do has already been done, we need a more direct connection.

[Yimpa]

And then they got married happily ever after 

[gambler]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Plus the suffering of losing your access to God.

A decade ago I got angry and cussed out God, but took it a step further by telling God to go away and never come back. Instantly, I felt something in me die or vanish. It has never returned. Felt like I had guidance and now I don’t. That I had a power, and now I don’t. 
 

But I don’t know. Apparently I never knew God anyways. But whatever that presence was that transformed me for the good all those years from my childhood to my young adult years, has left me.

Edited 1 hour ago by gambler