If we live in the same world ..why nobody agrees on anything?

[Someone here]

On 26/03/2025 at 1:24 AM, UnbornTao said:

If someone is profoundly conscious (which is not a given and rarer than we often think), there wouldn’t be much disparity between two such people. This isn’t to say their beliefs or opinions would necessarily be the same -- they might differ greatly -- but a consciousness of what’s true is a consciousness of what’s true. The issue seems to arise when attempting to communicate the absolute, along with the sheer rarity of an individual truly "listening" to that transmission. 

As a game, imagine if we were to put Ramana, Buddha, and Rumi in the same room (and they somehow understood each other through language), there wouldn’t be much disparity in their “view.” But I imagine this mutual recognition would be incredibly difficult to convey to us, who are ignorant of any ultimate truth.

As for the disagreements between people, most of them are really just posturing; they believe something and conflate a statement with consciousness of existence. What they're up to for the most part is entertainment, defending their beliefs, and engaging in various social games.

Another story: In a gathering of monks, the Buddha was giving a lecture. He is said to have raised a flower, at which point Ananda smiled and was said to have “got it.” He grasped what his cousin was trying to convey. That seems like a magical occurrence. We must admit that such a thing is a complete mystery to us. So, the issue isn’t simply about making claims, agreeing on them, or being convinced by them.

Also, you seem to be talking about relative matters too. 

First of all ..why are you talking like this ? I feel like I'm listening to my physics teacher in high school ..........

 

Nah I'm just messing with ya 😂...

Listen you make a great point here ..but you told me before in my episode (I mean thread) about science vs religion that the relative is the Absolute.  And here it seems like you are trying to say the disagreement between people around what seems to be Absolute isn't really about the absolute but what you called "entertainment " like philosophical masturbation kinds of matters like "how many angels exist in a tip of a needle ?". So I don't understand that . 

On 26/03/2025 at 1:42 AM, integral said:

How could someone know anything about God when they haven’t even had sex yet? lol

How do you know God is not hiding in a vagina? 😉

Right ?!

Yesterday I had an explosive wet dream I had the best orgasm in my whole life I literally became one with my dick and the universe disappeared. 

Anyways..God isnt hiding in a vagina? because God is a man 😀.

On 26/03/2025 at 8:20 AM, VeganAwake said:

Better than I deserve probably, 😌 

I bought a bigger house for me and my 3 boys on Jan30th, so I have been very busy last couple months.....but things are settling back down now.

How are you doing ? 

❤️ 

I'm doing well man. 🙏 

Oh you have three kids ? That's cute . You know one of my goals in life is to marry and have kids ..when I do have a wife trust me I will fuck off completely from the Internet 😂 and you won't see me again but Leo has a video called reproduction is an illusion and it doesnt matter if you have kids ...have you seen that one ?🤒  and your signature says nothing really matters ..so you're betraying Leo lol.jk

On 26/03/2025 at 4:27 PM, Carl-Richard said:

We live in "the same world" because we can do things like play football with each other, build houses that don't fall down (unless the government is incompetent or corrupt), fly airplanes around the world, give each other high fives, complain about electricity or food prices, eat food from different parts of the world.

We live in "different worlds" because we have different upbringing, different environment, different genes, different habits, different housing, different food, different lifestyle, different thinking. Now, if you ask almost anyone about what these things are (e.g. food or a house), they will tell you only with minor disagreements, and most probably say it exists in a world we all live in 😉

I don't think you understand the question.  You just responded based on the title no ? 

On 26/03/2025 at 6:36 PM, UnbornTao said:

soccer

Oh my god dude he literally said "football ". Why are you calling it soccer like an American weirdo ? You ruined my day . Only thing is you're Madrid fan so that's forgiven but don't do it again or I'm going to tell your mom . 

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

I don't think you understand the question.  You just responded based on the title no ?

Yes, I understand that the first part of your statement in the title (that you also repeated once in your post) had apparently nothing to do with your question 😂 But I did actually answer your question in the second paragraph.

Edited Friday at 04:02 AM by Carl-Richard

[M4sti]

@Hojo Heei my friend these examples were nasty, i really liked that analogy with the Pc, did you come up with it when you wrote this comment for first time or is something you use regurarly ?

[M4sti]

@Someone here I struggle to understand what you are trying to achieve actually , your question is either too simple and in that sense you replied to yourself at the end of the messege by talking about, upgringing , dogma and biases, wich is what is happening if we talk about basic human psyche and there is not many more things left to say, But then when people try to actually deepen and talk about spirituality you get extremely offendend and defensive. Also assuming universal mind requires solipsism when nobody brought Solipsism up, i really do not get you. 

If you want to impose limits on what is being talked about then create your game yourself, go in your journal, make the questions, then create different accounts and reply to yourself, you are in the only place that we can break these classical societal limits and you take great offense that somebody did that in the only place he can.

Or you simply do not recognise that the absolute or the higher you go is gonna always  be more relevent than the limited perspective when we talking about mind stuff and your topic is mind stuff 

In your hypothetical on who is the Goat, Cristiano or Messi, its like you come up with limits, we gonna talk only about Goals and nothing else, Cristiano 974 , Messi 687, so Cristiano is the Goat end. 

Then somebody comes and says, ok look maybe lets consider other factors too, Titles, what teams they play, what they do with their nationals teams, etc etc etc. But then you say no get out of here, today we talk about only goals. WHy do that lol, and from all places especially here.

[Someone here]

@M4sti first of all ..who are you? 

Second of all ..get used to it ..I've been bullshitting on this forum for 5 years now and I have managed to make it the norm..in other words I have Leo's back so to speak if you get what I'm saying .

Third of all ...Come meet me in the off topic section please and we can chit chat for hours about the Messi vs Ronaldo debate ..I'm a sucker for Ronaldo but I do think Messi is the 🐐 until now because he won the world Cup 2022 . If Ronaldo made it in 2026 in the US I will literally become gay .

Edited Friday at 09:57 AM by Someone here

[Someone here]

6 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Yes, I understand that the first part of your statement in the title (that you also repeated once in your post) had apparently nothing to do with your question 😂 But I did actually answer your question in the second paragraph.

So to cut the shit we can break it down to two questions:

1-is there even an objective world or a mind independent reality that we all share or I'm just talking to myself right now ?

2-if there is an objective world ..then why nobody seems to agree on what exactly is this world?

I might just be going crazy but it makes sense to me.

 

[UnbornTao]

10 hours ago, Someone here said:

Listen you make a great point here ..but you told me before in my episode (I mean thread) about science vs religion that the relative is the Absolute.  And here it seems like you are trying to say the disagreement between people around what seems to be Absolute isn't really about the absolute but what you called "entertainment " like philosophical masturbation kinds of matters like "how many angels exist in a tip of a needle ?". So I don't understand that .

So what are you asking in this thread?

Leave the absolute aside as the chitchat doesn't seem to help at all. It is an unknown possibility for us.

Talk is easy and isn't the same as coming from a consciousness of what's what, and recognizing this difference can be tricky -- that's essentially my point here. 

But again, ask in a way that's real for you in your own experience and that would help you move toward something more genuine.

Edited Friday at 12:31 PM by UnbornTao

[Carl-Richard]

3 hours ago, Someone here said:

So to cut the shit we can break it down to two questions:

1-is there even an objective world or a mind independent reality that we all share or I'm just talking to myself right now ?

2-if there is an objective world ..then why nobody seems to agree on what exactly is this world?

I might just be going crazy but it makes sense to me.

Yep, and I gave you reasons why we talk about an objective world and then I gave you reasons why we seem to not agree on things.

Edited Friday at 01:50 PM by Carl-Richard

[Someone here]

11 hours ago, UnbornTao said:

So what are you asking in this thread?

Nothing important really .I have no idea what I'm talking about (neither you so relax ). I'm just having infinite fun .

9 hours ago, Carl-Richard said:

Yep, and I gave you reasons why we talk about an objective world and then I gave you reasons why we seem to not agree on things.

You gave obvious examples about why people disagree on relative matters . Not how absolute truth isn't revealed to everyone equally if it's the same absolute truth everyone perceives. 

If you were born in Rome 3000 years ago you would belive the earth is flat . If you were born In Afghanistan today you will be giving blowjobs to Allah 5 times a day like a mindless robot .

However..anyone anywhere at any place or anytime should agree about  what "THIS" is  . Yet they don't. Why ? Good luck answering. 

[UnbornTao]

@Someone here It was an actual question, hopefully in order to move us toward increased consciousness. But entertainment is fine.

[Someone here]

12 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@Someone here It was an actual question, hopefully in order to move us toward increased consciousness. But entertainment is fine.

In case you want serious discussion..look at my comment to Carl-Richard.  I explained the question to the best of my ability.  Feel free to quote it ..dissect it and answer it .

In case "entertainment is fine "..let's talk about Cristiano and Messi. 

 

[Carl-Richard]

1 hour ago, Someone here said:

You gave obvious examples about why people disagree on relative matters . Not how absolute truth isn't revealed to everyone equally if it's the same absolute truth everyone perceives. 

If you were born in Rome 3000 years ago you would belive the earth is flat . If you were born In Afghanistan today you will be giving blowjobs to Allah 5 times a day like a mindless robot .

However..anyone anywhere at any place or anytime should agree about what "THIS" is . Yet they don't. Why ? Good luck answering

A human's job is essentially to deny absolute truth and substitute whatever fantasies they prefer. No surprises there.

[UnbornTao]

16 minutes ago, Someone here said:

In case you want serious discussion..look at my comment to Carl-Richard.  I explained the question to the best of my ability.  Feel free to quote it ..dissect it and answer it .

In case "entertainment is fine "..let's talk about Cristiano and Messi. 

It is fine but not the reason why I post for the most part.

15 hours ago, Someone here said:

So to cut the shit we can break it down to two questions:

1-is there even an objective world or a mind independent reality that we all share or I'm just talking to myself right now ?

2-if there is an objective world ..then why nobody seems to agree on what exactly is this world?

I might just be going crazy but it makes sense to me.

Why are you asking? 

[Yimpa]

2 hours ago, Someone here said:

anyone anywhere at any place or anytime should agree about  what "THIS" is  . Yet they don't. Why ? Good luck answering. 

There is no one else but YOU!

[Someone here]

24 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

A human's job is essentially to deny absolute truth and substitute whatever fantasies they prefer. No surprises there.

Say more .I don't get it .sincerely I don't. 

12 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

Why are you asking? 

Why anything ? Why do you do anything you do ? 

A more less cringey answer is : because I just don't get how humans can know anything at all .this existence makes no sense whatsoever..so I'm undertaking a process of finding out the ultimate truth .and apparently..I find inside my mind about 100000000000000000 questions with no answer in sight .

8 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

There is no one else but YOU!

Let's test this Yimpa ..the forum comedian..shall we ?

I'm sitting in my bathtub right now and my body is buried under the water ..so there I am. But clearly there is a lamp up there .there is a toilet near me .there is toothbrush and toothpaste around the corner. And also..apparently..I'm not those things at face value at least ..so this statement of you is false .and since its false ..it can suck my ****.

[Yimpa]

1 minute ago, Someone here said:

..so this statement of you is false .and since it’s false ..it can suck my ****.

I accept check 

[UnbornTao]

@Someone here 

Real questioning is experiential and not vague. It seems to me that you often just want to debate and pass the time. Nothing wrong with that, but if you want to get more serious, I'd suggest contemplating 'Who am I' in addition to an aspect of experience, such as perception or an emotion. Hope that helps.

Edited Saturday at 04:54 AM by UnbornTao

[Carl-Richard]

17 hours ago, Someone here said:

Say more .I don't get it .sincerely I don't. 

The human game, since the dawn of meta-awareness 30-50k years ago, is to become self-aware and self-interested and distance oneself from the eternal ground of being in terms of identity. The fact that people are different leads to this happening in different ways for different people. So of course people are confused and disagree about the absolute. That's virtually a given.

Edited Saturday at 07:48 PM by Carl-Richard

[Nilsi]

4 minutes ago, Carl-Richard said:

The human game, since the dawn of meta-awareness 30-50k years ago, is to become self-aware and self-interested and distance oneself from the eternal ground of being in terms of identity. The fact that people are different leads to this happening in different ways for different people. So of course people are confused and disagree about the absolute. That's virtually a given.

I don’t think people actually disagree all that much about the Absolute.

I can sit down with my Muslim friends, with Leo, with a bunch of European philosophers, and we’ll all more or less vibe on the same core thing - maybe even agree on some fundamental properties. But the second we start talking about what that means for how we should live - who gets to speak for it, who gets to lead, what counts as alignment - suddenly it’s war. That to me is the real issue

[Nemra]

@Someone here, do you do other practices besides contemplation?