Democrats Need to Face Why Trump Won

[Phil King]

21 minutes ago, integral said:

Bernie has never made anyone feel anything, ever. How could he possibly win?

??? Bernie is relatively charismatic and he almost beat hillary in the 2016 primaries. He probably could have put up a better fight against trump than hillary or kamala, but they may be my progressive bias. He even had joe rogan and the manosphere on his side for a brief period

Edited March 18 by Phil King

[Leo Gura]

Bernie's whole appeal is he has the vibe of a genuine decent human being who truly cares about working people. Which is very rare in among politicians. He has vibe of a genuine authentic populist.

Bernie also appeals to voters who care about policy. Such voters do exist.

Edited March 18 by Leo Gura

[Raze]

Just now, Leo Gura said:

Bernie's whole appeal is he has the vibe of a genuine decent human being. Which is very rare in among politicians. He has vibe of a genuine authentic populist.

I would say it’s the anger in his voice when he rails against the rich and powerful which connects to people who feel crushed by the system 

[Rafael Thundercat]

The X Page called The LincolnProject rise a good question:

"Where are all the Epstein files he promised MAGA?"

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Raze said:

I would say it’s the anger in his voice when he rails against the rich and powerful which connects to people who feel crushed by the system 

Sure, that's part of the package.

[integral]

12 minutes ago, Phil King said:

??? Bernie is relatively charismatic and he almost beat hillary in the 2016 primaries. He probably could have put up a better fight against trump than hillary or kamala, but they may be my progressive bias. He even had joe rogan and the manosphere on his side for a brief period

1> The problem I see with the speech is I don't understand what he's saying.

The intellectual level is too high.

You need to have a degree in politics to know what he's talking about.

2> It's too flat, there isn't a correct storytelling strategy. Leading up to a conclusion that sticks in the mind.

Everything Trump says correctly tells a story with no intellectual burden needed.

3> His talking points are focused on how horrible Trump is or other people, instead of focusing on what he is going to do.

Trump says very clearly all the things he's going to do, Bernie never does.

Edited March 18 by integral

[Raze]

22 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Here's a prime example of Mark Zuckerberg just being utterly stupid about government and politics. Obviously Zuckerburg is not a stupid man. But in the domain of politics he's like child.

This is how many intelligent people are when it comes to understanding government. To understand government actually requires serious philosophy, which is why the US founding fathers were all philosophers and deep students of the ancient Greeks and Romans. You can't build a nation like America on the childish libertarian ideas of Joe Rogan and Zuckerberg. Their level of understanding of polity is just embarrassing. And these guys have relatively high IQ. Imagine how a low IQ voter thinks.

People like Zuckerberg and Bezos are just adopting to the side they think benefits them. When it was the left they were signaling for leftist identity politics.

After Bezos became a punching bag for AOC and Bernie and the establishment dems turned on Zuckerberg and berated him at hearings, they began shifting their image to appeal to the ascendant right.

Edited March 18 by Raze

[Yimpa]

1 hour ago, Schizophonia said:

What do you suffer from ?

Overblown exposure to human poppycock. 

[ChadT]

The main reason Democrats lost is because Joe Biden ran for a second term.  If he got out the way earlier and we had a healthy primary process to determine who to pass the torch to, I think we would have won.   We only lost by 1.5% and Harris wasn't anyones first choice.  I get why they had to go with her, and given the circumstances, I think she put up a pretty good fight.  I'm not gonna hate on her, but if we had a Shapiro, or Beshear, at the top of the ticket, things would have went much different.   Democrats do need to learn from this though.  We need white working class voters.   Not a ton, but way more than we are currently getting.   Hell, Biden was MIA most of the 4 years he was in office.  The president is the leader of the party.  He needs to be out there making the case.  Fighting the good fight.  He didn't know where he was half the god damn time.   This is on the people around him too. 

[Rafael Thundercat]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

Ignorant people don't understand climate change, medicaid, government agencies, nor institutions. They don't care! They care about guns, Jesus, and Joe Rogan making fun of women with dicks.

Just to make a image of the level of the Voters

 

[Past-Philosopher-562]

@Leo GuraYou made me think of something related to vibes and people's perception. Do you think this is why some introverted intuitives struggle to be believed and end up lacking social influence? It seems that, deep down, people have difficulty processing what they say because the vibe or frame they project doesn’t align with the relatable cues that extroverts often crave.

Why sometimes , it seems like it's not about what you say , but you frame , the general context and cues you display which hooks people .

[Leo Gura]

26 minutes ago, Past-Philosopher-562 said:

@Leo GuraYou made me think of something related to vibes and people's perception. Do you think this is why some introverted intuitives struggle to be believed and end up lacking social influence? It seems that, deep down, people have difficulty processing what they say because the vibe or frame they project doesn’t align with the relatable cues that extroverts often crave.

Why sometimes , it seems like it's not about what you say , but you frame , the general context and cues you display which hooks people .

I think most people who lack social intelligence are just lacking massive social experience. They could also be neuro-divergent which makes their brains slower in seeing reality from a social point of view.

Picking up social cues has a genetic component. Even caring about the social domain has a genetic component. Some brains just don't care. You can't be great at someting you don't care about.

Edited March 19 by Leo Gura

[Hardkill]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Obviously it's more than just vibes.

The reason I insisted on vibes is to correct people who overlook the vibes and get lost in policy debates.

The point is not that it's only about vibes. The point is that it's more about vibes than intelligent people want to admit.

I often say simplistic and exaggerated things just to correct for the absurd views people have. It's meant to be a slap in the face. When Kyle Kuliniski or Cenk Uygur is rambling on and on about how popular progressive policies are in the polls, he needs to be slapped across the face. Because he's missing the point and misleading the audience.

Actually, Leftists like them have mentioned a number of times before that people do vote on vibes. That's why Cenk and TYT were some of the first Leftists to sound off the alarm that Biden would "lose" in 2024 because he came off as too old, too weak, and too unpopular. Then Kyle and Krystal conceded that Cenk and his crew were "right." 

Cenk, Ana, Kyle, and Krystal have even talked a number of times before about how Trump won in 2016 and 2024 because of his charisma and populist message and because. Cenk and TYT have said that Hillary Clinton was a bad candidate in 2016 because she came off as too pro-establishment, out of touch, untrustworthy, and unpopular. They also said that Harris came off as too much of a talking point machine and that her campaign needed to energize base and the swing voters by having her do more podcasts like the JRE and have Tim Walz out a lot more.

[Hardkill]

21 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Do not equate this to Covid or inflation.

People will not feel or notice climate change or butchering of medicaid.

This is an optics game. Even when Trump screws thing up the ignorant social media will scapegoat wokeness and blame the wokes.

You can't win this battle on facts. It's all about people's perceptions. Most importantly it's about the perceptions of the more ignorant people.

Ignorant people don't understand climate change, medicaid, government agencies, nor institutions. They don't care! They care about guns, Jesus, and Joe Rogan making fun of women with dicks.

Can you crack a good woman-with-a-dick joke? Then you got the right vibes.

In politics, you're dealing with children. Children want candy, not a policy lecture about climate change and systemic racism.

This is what keeps me up at night.

I fear that the Republicans from now on may continue to win every future big election going forward no matter how bad the next crisis under their watch will be because their media messaging machine, party brand messaging, and optics game are all superior to that of the Democrats.

At this point, it looks like the combination of another Great Depression or Gilded Age Depression, an extremely violent nationwide labor strike movement, and a once-in-a-century inspirational political leader who has the spirit of a Roosevelt-style class warrior may be the only hope that Democrats have to win back the presidency and Congress.

Maybe I am wrong.

Edited March 19 by Hardkill

[Twentyfirst]

Just split the country down the middle. West America for the left and East America for the right. No tariffs between their trades