Democrats Need to Face Why Trump Won

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

This time in the form of climate, butchering medicaid, etc.

Do not equate this to Covid or inflation.

People will not feel or notice climate change or butchering of medicaid.

This is an optics game. Even when Trump screws thing up the ignorant social media will scapegoat wokeness and blame the wokes.

You can't win this battle on facts. It's all about people's perceptions. Most importantly it's about the perceptions of the more ignorant people.

Ignorant people don't understand climate change, medicaid, government agencies, nor institutions. They don't care! They care about guns, Jesus, and Joe Rogan making fun of women with dicks.

Can you crack a good woman-with-a-dick joke? Then you got the right vibes.

In politics, you're dealing with children. Children want candy, not a policy lecture about climate change and systemic racism.

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[Yimpa]

I’ve got really great doctors on Medicaid. Wouldn’t ever want to replace them with someone else.

I’m pretty much left for dead if they cut off my benefits.

[Raze]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Obviously it's more than just vibes.

The reason I insisted on vibes is to correct people who overlook the vibes and get lost in policy debates.

The point is not that it's only about vibes. The point is that it's more about vibes than intelligent people want to admit.

I often say simplistic and exaggerated things just to correct for the absurd views people have. It's meant to be a slap in the face. When Kyle Kuliniski or Cenk Uygur is rambling on and on about how popular progressive policies are in the polls, he needs to be slapped across the face. Because he's missing the point and misleading the audience.

Trump has horrible vibes. His approval going into the 2024 election was similar to when he went into the 2020 election, yet he won the latter. 
 

The chart that rates voters most important policy issues to who they trust more lines up with them trusting republicans more on most of the issues most important to them. The Kamala Harris ad that did the best was a populist economic ad.

 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, Raze said:

Trump has horrible vibes.

To you.

His base loves his vibes, and so do many swing and indie voters. Trump is a master of vibes. His vibes are exactly what drive people to vote. His vibes are perfect for half the country.

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[Raze]

2 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To you.

His base loves his vibes, and so do many swing and indie voters. Trump is a master of vibes. His vibes are exactly what drive people to vote. His vibes are perfect for half the country.

His base is irrelevant, they were always going to choose him, same with the average Republican voter.

Swing and indie voters don’t like his vibes. They didn’t vote for him in 2020. They didn’t suddenly fall in love with him since then, they were disappointed in what democrats did and offered. 

[Schizophonia]

10 minutes ago, Yimpa said:

I’ve got really great doctors on Medicaid. Wouldn’t ever want to replace them with someone else.

I’m pretty much left for dead if they cut off my benefits.

What do you suffer from ?

[Schizophonia]

6 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To you.

His base loves his vibes, and so do many swing and indie voters. Trump is a master of vibes. His vibes are exactly what drive people to vote. His vibes are perfect for half the country.

There should be a more left-leaning Trump.

In the absence of direct power in a representative democracy, people just want someone with an "intimate vibe" to identify with.

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, Raze said:

His base is irrelevant, they were always going to choose him, same with the average Republican voter.

Swing and indie voters don’t like his vibes. They didn’t vote for him in 2020. They didn’t suddenly fall in love with him since then, they were disappointed in what democrats did and offered. 

It's not irrelevant because the base needs to be jazzed up to win elections.

Swing voters certainly find Trump's fascist vibes appealing. To them Trump represents masculine power, strength, economic success.

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[Raze]

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

It's not irrelevant because the based needs to be jazzed up to win elections.

Swing voters certainly find Trump's fascist vibes appealing. To them Trump represent masculine power, strength, economic success.

He would have a base regardless of his vibes. Kamala has a base. Biden has a base. A jazzed up base is primarily for winning a primary. They are washed out by the majority in the actual election. Democrats just kneecap themselves by going against their own base expecting other groups that barely exist to help make up for it which doesn’t happen. But normally the two bases are assured and the victory is won through everyone else.

The issue is you’re assuming Trump winning means he is liked. It doesn’t, it just means he’s liked more than Kamala Harris.

He had majority disapproval going into 2024.

 

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[Jayson G]

30 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Do not equate this to Covid or inflation.

People will not feel or notice climate change or butchering of medicaid.

This is an optics game. Even when Trump screws thing up the ignorant social media will scapegoat wokeness and blame the wokes.

You can't win this battle on facts. It's all about people's perceptions. Most importantly it's about the perceptions of the more ignorant people.

Ignorant people don't understand climate change, medicaid, government agencies, nor institutions. They don't care! They care about guns, Jesus, and Joe Rogan making fun of women with dicks.

Can you crack a good woman-with-a-dick joke? Then you got the right vibes.

In politics, you're dealing with children. Children want candy, not a policy lecture about climate change and systemic racism.

@Leo Gura Then its worse than I imagine, you're implying that their whole structural thinking is something that I don't understand. Because from my POV, or even many on this forum, I don't see how people even think from this perspective. In a sense it should be so obvious as the facts are clearly laid out on the table and people can't see them. I don't know what kind of frame of mind they are coming from. Maybe this is stranger than I thought. 

[Leo Gura]

3 minutes ago, Raze said:

The issue is you’re assuming Trump winning means he is liked. It doesn’t, it just means he’s liked more than Kamala Harris.

Obviously!

Of course vibes and popularity is relative to your opponent.

Kamala had vibe problems.

[Leo Gura]

8 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

@Leo Gura Then its worse than I imagine, you're implying that their whole structural thinking is something that I don't understand. Because from my POV, or even many on this forum, I don't see how people even think from this perspective. In a sense it should be so obvious as the facts are clearly laid out on the table and people can't see them. I don't know what kind of frame of mind they are coming from. Maybe this is stranger than I thought. 

Of course that's what I'm saying. I've been saying that for years.

When I call people stupid, I truly mean it. I'm not just being arrogant or immature. You have to realize just how stupid the average human is. This is like an existential realization. It's not polite to ever say in public because of course people will hate you for saying it.

But be careful because not everyone is stupid. But if we are talking about the average voter, then yeah, the ignorance is so deep that it will be hard for an Actualizer to understand.

It is a mistake to assume people are more intelligent than they are.

This is a mistake that many progressives make and one of the key reasons they lose elections.

It is a deep paradox that mankind is both so intelligent yet so stupid.

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[Leo Gura]

https://www.actualized.org/insights/the-danger-of-stupidity

[Raze]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Obviously!

Of course vibes and popularity is relative to your opponent.

Kamala had vibe problems.

The evidence the video presents, indicates her issue was policy, not vibes.

Most voters viewed her as too far left because of all her virtue signaling in her career

They had tested ads and policy statements that shifted voter opinions but didn’t capitalize on it

The views the voters saw as the most important they also trusted republicans more on

If we add this and also presume everyone loved trumps vibes and hated Kamala’s and vibes is even more important, she would have lost in a landslide. But she didn’t really.

Her vibes were bad, but so were trumps. I’d say her biggest vibe issue wasn’t even charisma, but coming across as establishment.

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[something_else]

35 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

To you.

His base loves his vibes, and so do many swing and indie voters. Trump is a master of vibes. His vibes are exactly what drive people to vote. His vibes are perfect for half the country.

Kamala was just so fucking boring. So was Biden tbh. Hilary wasn’t boring per se but she, like you say, had vibe problems for sure. Obama was the only democrat candidate in like the past 15 years who inspired any kind of emotion when you listened to him talk.

I never understood why Bernie never got to run for the democrats. He’d have had such a good chance against Trump

[integral]

6 minutes ago, something_else said:

I never understood why Bernie never got to run for the democrats. He’d have had such a good chance against Trump

Bernie has never made anyone feel anything, ever. How could he possibly win? He's boring when he speaks and you don't quite know what he's saying and you need to use more brain power and effort to concentrate to know what he's talking about, so that's a failure at Charisma and clarity. He also does not have leadership vibe or masculinity vibe. It's a lost cause unfortunately.

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[Jayson G]

9 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Of course that's what I'm saying. I've been saying that for years.

When I call people stupid, I truly mean it. I'm not just being arrogant or immature. You have to realize just how stupid the average human is. This is like an existential realization. It's not polite to ever say in public because of course people will hate you for saying it.

But be careful because not everyone is stupid. But if we are talking about the average voter, then yeah, the ignorance is so deep that it will be hard for an Actualizer to understand.

It is a mistake to assume people are more intelligent than they are.

This is a mistake that many progressives make and one of the key reasons they lose elections.

It is a deep paradox that mankind is both so intelligent yet so stupid.

@Leo Gura I still dont understand how or even if they are actually stupid. For years Ive been listening to Joe Rogan, Owen Cook, Naval Ravikant, Lex Fridman .. about 95% of these people still when I look at it, they are intelligent (at least thats what I still think, maybe I'm wrong) .. but then it was a shock to my system how they can not see the massive corruption of Trump and Musk. This made me really look at all of these people from a new angle and re-evaluate my whole approach to personal development. I have almost severed their teachings to a very narrow domain for my growth and ignore most of what they're saying because I unconsciously let a lot of their worldviews infect my thinking, and its like a shock to my system thats been there for the past 4 months. It's still shocking because I'm now left without most of the people I look upto, now all shoved to the corner, and I guess now Im thinking more for myself. 

I completely overlooked this stupidity in them, and I still dont understand how these intellectuals have this side of stupidity to them. I understand the vast majority of trolls who lack any form of intelligence. But to have such big name folks take up a lot of the personal development sphere be so wrong on this level is such a wake up call. 

[Leo Gura]

12 minutes ago, Jayson G said:

I still dont understand how or even if they are actually stupid. For years Ive been listening to Joe Rogan, Owen Cook, Naval Ravikant, Lex Fridman ..

These people are not stupid. I was talking about the average voter.

However, you have to remember that politics is a very special domain. Intelligence does not directly translate into knowledge of government and politics. So you can be very intelligent in other areas but then stupid specifically on politics.

So while I would say that those people are intelligent, on politics specifically they are stupid. And they are also corrupt.

You have to take into account how much corruption shapes one's politics. Rich and famous people, especially, prefer to side with power vs challenging.

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about 95% of these people still when I look at it, they are intelligent (at least thats what I still think, maybe I'm wrong) .. but then it was a shock to my system how they can not see the massive corruption of Trump and Musk. This made me really look at all of these people from a new angle and re-evaluate my whole approach to personal development.

Beautiful.

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[something_else]

8 minutes ago, integral said:

Bernie has never made anyone feel anything, ever. How could he possibly win? He's boring when he speaks and you don't quite know what he's saying and you need to use more brain power and effort to concentrate to know what he's talking about, so that's a failure at Charisma and clarity. He also does not have leadership vibe or masculinity vibe. It's a lost cause unfortunately.

Watch his recent videos on Trump. Tbf I’m not American so this is the first real exposure I’ve had to him. But he seemed very well spoken, clear, and passionate

[Leo Gura]

Here's a prime example of Mark Zuckerberg just being utterly stupid about government and politics. Obviously Zuckerburg is not a stupid man. But in the domain of politics he's like child.

This is how many intelligent people are when it comes to understanding government. To understand government actually requires serious philosophy, which is why the US founding fathers were all philosophers and deep students of the ancient Greeks and Romans. You can't build a nation like America on the childish libertarian ideas of Joe Rogan and Zuckerberg. Their level of understanding of polity is just embarrassing. And these guys have relatively high IQ. Imagine how a low IQ voter thinks.

 

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