Am I The Witnesser Or The Doer?

[Butters]

This is a vitally important question. Why? Because I would strategize differently based on the answer. 

If I am the Witnesser; I would remind myself more to relax, to surrender to God, bringing more peace into my life. 

If I am the Doer; I would be the ultimate manifester, and I would remind myself to remember how little of myself I know, and how much I am capable of. 

So, which one is it? 

[Breakingthewall]

You are both. You are the consciousness of reality and the inevitable creative impulse. The inexhaustible, infinite, expanding flow. You are not the screen on which a dream is taking place, for there is no dreamer. You are the living, dancing flow, deepening within itself. The inevitable, eternal expansion.

If you look deeply within yourself, you will find a source, a nuclear reactor of infinite power, shining with the absolute light granted by its infinitude. Question nothing, define nothing. Consciousness, doer, observer, God, creation, they mean nothing. They are only barriers; forget them. Just look within, and what you are will manifest.

[Eskilon]

58 minutes ago, Butters said:

This is a vitally important question. Why? Because I would strategize differently based on the answer. 

If I am the Witnesser; I would remind myself more to relax, to surrender to God, bringing more peace into my life. 

If I am the Doer; I would be the ultimate manifester, and I would remind myself to remember how little of myself I know, and how much I am capable of. 

So, which one is it? 

Would you settle for an answer to this profound question which was answered by somebody other than yourself?

Edited Sunday at 09:06 PM by Eskilon

[Aaron p]

So ultimately I'm pretty sure non duality postulates that the doer is illusory at the actual on to logical existential level of what is literally real or not real. Although if you really wanted you could say that it is real but that it is real as an illusion. 

However the problem with this information is that if it is delivered to a person who doesn't know how to interpret it correctly it could result in a problematic amount of demotivation. Since a person might think well if I'm not the doer that I can't do anything therefore I'll just completely relax and literally do nothing. There are people who do that kind of thing they may be become intentionally homeless but they can never escape having to do something without actually dying. If you do not use the muscles in your arm to lift rice to your mouth and use your jaw muscles to chew and swallow it then you'll just die. So these people have not escaped doing, they're just doing less. But they're still doing. 

At my current level of understanding I have a very pragmatic and simple metaphor for this exact question of free will and doership. Have you ever heard of those hybrid electronic bicycles where the motor is set to kick in when it senses that someone is peddling... I think the relationship between your effort and god's influence over your life and body are much like the relationship between the manual effort required to pedal the bicycle and the automatic electrified support motor. In this analogy neither can function fully without each other. 

In reality what I'm actually saying here is that if I'm correct basically you apply an appropriate degree of selfless effort, god hastens and compliments your effort by giving you power, your effort mixes with god's power, the potentiate each other and the result is a cooperative movement between you and God. I get the sense that I'm not too far off with this one although I'm not sure.

[Ulax]

@Butters imo you are neither. You are nothingness.

The perception of being the witnesser or the doer are both just sensory experiences imo

Edited Monday at 01:04 AM by Ulax

[Salvijus]

The love that you are is creativity and manifestation. 

The awareness that you are is an uninvolved silent witness. 

You're both of these things. It's yin and yang. Like two wings of the same bird. 

If you actualize fully the silent witness, you become Zen. 

If you actualize fully the heart, you become Christ conciousness. 

Mastery of both is the full potential of a human being.

Edited Monday at 01:51 AM by Salvijus

[Princess Arabia]

50 minutes ago, Ulax said:

@Butters imo you are neither. You are nothingness.

The perception of being the witnesser or the doer are both just sensory experiences imo

Best answer here.

[Princess Arabia]

You're the doer and the witnesser of nothing.

[Salvijus]

35 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Best answer here.

If existence exists, then you exist because you are existence. And existence is a combination of primordial awareness and love. Sound and silence. Action and stillness. 

Edited Monday at 02:30 AM by Salvijus

[Leo Gura]

You are EVERYTHING.

[Princess Arabia]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

If existence exists, then you exist because you are existence. And existence is a combination of primordial awareness and love. Sound and silence. Action and stillness. 

Call it existence if you will but it's the Absolute asking if i'm the witnesser or doer. There's no witnesser or doer that stands on it's own. No reality to it. What you say is the witnesser and the doer doesn't exist. Everything is the Absolute appearing as such. Nothing stands out. Everything is everything. The witnesser and doer is an illusory experience called the "me", which is also the Absolute. There's nothing to witness and nothing being done. It's one happening by no one. What is existence? Whatever is appearing, and what's appearing is appearing from nothing. So, existence is really nothing. So no one is actually doing or witnessing anything. It's an illusion to think there is. There's no I am. The I am is an experience of it's own illusory world that owns everything that appears around it and thinks it's the doer. It's not.

[Yimpa]

 

[Salvijus]

2 hours ago, Princess Arabia said:

Call it existence if you will but it's the Absolute asking if i'm the witnesser or doer. There's no witnesser or doer that stands on it's own.

Existence sentient and self aware. You are that sentient awareness. 

Edited Monday at 06:36 AM by Salvijus