Keeping it a buck about Leo (Physical Alien Transformation)

[Leo Gura]

7 minutes ago, Francis777 said:

This the is point though, are you going to just disregard people's current state of conscious (ie, them being at a stage where such a thing would freak them out). Just because you deem it to be petty and irrelevant?

Just because your intention itself is not to harm but knowing that harm will most likely be a side effect, your saying this doesn't matter and you would go ahead with it?

You speak of some imaginary harm which I spend no time thinking about.

If there was a real harm then I would care.

[Breakingthewall]

6 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

You must need company to dig deeper into your illusion with. Saying this is like the Jehovah Witnesses trying to save others so they can convince others of their own illusion of heaven and hell. Why do you care if others open up and go deeper. Do you really care about others or is it for your own salvation. If I can see others do it, then I'll know it's possible.

No, it's just for fun, like meetings people who do the same work as me and talking about it. Nothing any guru says interests me at all; they're just words. The issue of spirituality is real: looking inside yourself and opening yourself up to the fullest. You're alone in this. Beyond a certain level, there's no one else. There's only you, the existence. Anything that anyone says means absolutely nothing. 

 

[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Good luck with that

Do you believe in anyone? Do you have beliefs? How anyone could help you in this field? Anything that anyone says and you believe is a hindrance 

[Francis777]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You speak of some imaginary harm which I spend no time thinking about.

If there was a real harm then I would care.

How is this not a deflection of my question, when were we ever not talking about hypotheticals?

I'm hypothetically asking (because of your claim that you would walk down the street with devil horns) if you would risk traumatising people? How is it not realistic to assume that doing this "transformation" in front of them might potentially derail certain people from reality and ruin their life? 

I'm questioning your attitude when you said that nothing humans understand matters, when I think if this scenario  did play out, then it in fact would matter?

Edited Sunday at 09:58 PM by Francis777

[Breakingthewall]

Perhaps no one here realizes the obvious fact that to look within yourself, you must transcend the layer of the conceptual mind. Step number one: nothing means anything. Why? Because any meaning is an obstacle. The mind must be free of structure, absolutely diaphanous. If you haven't reached this point, you haven't even begun the real thing; you're stuck in a loop.

[Leo Gura]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Do you believe in anyone?

Depends on what you mean by believe.

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

 Do you have beliefs?

Of course. But I know what a belief is.

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

How anyone could help you in this field? Anything that anyone says and you believe is a hindrance 

I take feedback all the time.

[Princess Arabia]

9 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

No, it's just for fun, like meetings people who do the same work as me and talking about it. Nothing any guru says interests me at all; they're just words. The issue of spirituality is real: looking inside yourself and opening yourself up to the fullest. You're alone in this. Beyond a certain level, there's no one else. There's only you, the existence. Anything that anyone says means absolutely nothing. 

 

That's so true. Only within the experience of the individual, though. It's all empty and means nothing in the grand scheme of things, which is still saying too much descriptively. Everything that arises in your experience is real, but only real to you. There's only you within that experience. Anything that anyone says means absolutely nothing to you within your own experience. So true. They are just bodies.

[Francis777]

@Leo Gura Did you just edit my own post? I know you edited yours, but its taken the original quote out of mine as well as says edited by you, is this a new feature? It normally keeps the original quote?

[Leo Gura]

1 minute ago, Francis777 said:

@Leo Gura Did you just edit my own post? I know you edited yours, but its taken the original quote out of mine as well as says edited by you, is this a new feature? It normally keeps the original quote?

I edited my own words. I do that sometimes to stop people from demonizing me.

[Breakingthewall]

1 minute ago, Princess Arabia said:

That's so true. Only within the experience of the individual, though. It's all empty and means nothing in the grand scheme of things, which is still saying too much descriptively. Everything that arises in your experience is real, but only real to you. There's only you within that experience. Anything that anyone says means absolutely nothing to you within your own experience. So true. They are just bodies.

What others say means nothing because what you say means nothing either. I'm talking about openness to the absolute. It's something that lies outside the linear scope of the logical mind. The only thing the logical mind can do is adopt a pattern that allows it to easily get out of the way. This pattern is understanding that infinity is not comprehensible; you can't grasp it with the mind. If you do, you're creating an image. That's not what you're looking for. What you're looking for is true openness; it operates on a different frequency.

The logical mind must be insigthful enough not to fall into its own traps.

[Davino]

Maybe...

Leo deceived himself

Self-deception is like an asshole, everyone has one and it's not pretty

[Francis777]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

I edited my own words. I do that sometimes to stop people from demonizing me.

I'd appreciate you not doing that in future please, I was hardly demonising you. How is it fair that you can wipe your footprint off of other peoples comments but we cant?

[Yimpa]

I have nothing useful to add here, but I need to say something! 

[Leo Gura]

38 minutes ago, Francis777 said:

I'd appreciate you not doing that in future please, I was hardly demonising you. How is it fair that you can wipe your footprint off of other peoples comments but we cant?

I will continue to do it because your life is not at stake here, but mine is. I reserve the right to edit anything I say at any time.

The demonizations don't come from you, but from outsiders who are bad faith actors with harmful intentions.

Edited Sunday at 10:49 PM by Leo Gura

[Breakingthewall]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

Depends on what you mean by believe.

For example, if Peter Ralston says that you are the screen on which reality occurs, and you adopt that framework and try to perceive from that angle, or if Buddha says that you have to achieve the absence of desire and attachment to reach nirvana, which is the ultimate goal of spirituality, I'm telling this as an example. I'm not saying that you should believe in those specific things, but in whatever someone has said

 

12 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

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Of course. But I know what a belief is.

 What belief could you possibly have about ultimate reality that isn't a mistake? I have a few. Like: Reality is probably cyclical...but perhaps it isn't. Can anything be known? You can only perceive what you are.

[The Crocodile]

2 hours ago, Schizophonia said:

@The Crocodile @Breakingthewall Science is imaginary

If you believe that levitation "might maybe be possible even if it's hard to believe," you will have proof that it is "might maybe be possible even if it's hard to believe."

Levitation is 100% literally the case.

[Leo Gura]

42 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

For example, if Peter Ralston says that you are the screen on which reality occurs, and you adopt that framework and try to perceive from that angle, or if Buddha says that you have to achieve the absence of desire and attachment to reach nirvana, which is the ultimate goal of spirituality, I'm telling this as an example. I'm not saying that you should believe in those specific things, but in whatever someone has said

I believe what some people say but I question it a lot and look for ways to test it or cross-reference it against other things. The beliefs are temporary placeholders.

You always have some kind of picture of how the world really is.

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 What belief could you possibly have about ultimate reality that isn't a mistake? I have a few. Like: Reality is probably cyclical...but perhaps it isn't. Can anything be known? You can only perceive what you are.

I hold many speculations and intuitions about things, which are used to advance sense-making.

Edited Sunday at 11:01 PM by Leo Gura

[Yimpa]

God is speaking through all beliefs.

Don’t believe me!

In fact, a profound understanding of God will leave you in disbelief.

Edited Sunday at 11:02 PM by Yimpa

[Hojo]

My speculation on levitation is you have a very good feeling in your body and you separate yourself from body so you dont expel the energy and use the energy to not lift the body but to make your object have less gravity.

[Staples]

3 hours ago, gengar said:

love and empathy is scrutiny of bizarre claims that were never followed up upon. Transforming into an alien is a claim a 1000 times more bizarre than landing on the moon.

Afaik, our consensus reality still beholds to the laws of physics. it's precisely what makes the dream feel real. transforming into an alien on camera would break all notions of physics and consensus reality and change history in a second. we would basically start living in an irl fantasy world. its incomparable with landing on the moon.

shaming me for criticizing bizarre claims is an awful argument. I don't care the forum is free. conspiracy theories online are also free. Poison is free.

I'm actually doing proper scientific inquiry here. The forum is amazing and I'm actually showing it respect by bringing up these topics.

If you experienced whatever Leo did, you'd have done the same thing.

Have you had a reality shattering experiences? Becoming an Alien feels absolutely real in that state. As real as the feeling of your feet of the floor right now.

Not defending the claims he made, but if you don't know the nature of such an experience you would be strawmanning Leo.