Keeping it a buck about Leo (Physical Alien Transformation)

[gengar]

5 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's very simple:

I accessed such advanced states of consciousness that they are very difficult to make sense of and articulate.

I share stuff on this forum in unpolished form because this is where I hash out my ideas and think out loud.

Not only were these states very advanced, accessing them destablizes the psyche and has serious risks and costs. You expect this stuff to just come easy and polished, but that's not how it works. I share a lot of raw and real stuff with you guys which no other teacher would share. That means it's less polished and packaged. I share parts of my process. Set your expectations accordingly.

You have a very entitled attitude. I don't owe you anything. I share very radical ideas which no one else would ever share with you. I put my life at risk to reach the highest states of consciousness. And then I have to put with your mockery.

I am not entitled, I just state standards that are normal for students to have.

Do you understand how open minded you have to be to even listen to your work about consciousness, God, all that stuff? with your friends and family ridiculing you for it? only for you to state you have literal transformative powers and end up not going through with it, feeling like I should not have been open minded.

Thinking that chaos wouldn't ensue around with the release of your transformation video is not a high state of consciousness, but a low one IMO.

It's not mockery, but a critique of someone with educational authority, which by default is the relation between a student and teacher. You critiqued Connor Murphy when he went through his stuff (rightfully so), even calling him a zen devil. But with your stuff we're not supposed to criticize, because you project is as mockery?

It didn't write it as a mockery, I guess you still don't realize how bizarre those claims were. You never addressed them afterwards, so a critique is warranted.

I'm not entitled to any of your work. It's a mistake and a projection to assume that I think I do. When someone is clearly teaching stuff which isn't true and thus misleading, I am entitled to speak out against that though.

I am still very interested in what made you think you could transform. It's so radically different than anything you talked about prior, which basically didn't envolve any powers in the dream. Was it just delusion and bad judgement on your part? did you actually reach a stage where such magic was possible? I'm still open minded about it, but since you never addressed it afterwards and just swept it under the rug, is what makes me suspicious and irritated. It's extremely sloppy and treats us as a gullible audience, like we are just some Sadhguru followers listening to our guru and not question his bizarre claims, and just forget it ever happened.

It would be epistemologically sloppy of me to not question it. You are a teacher telling us that behind 200 trips lie something that noone has ever seen. If that same person makes an extreme claims of alien transformation and then fails to do it, why would I trust him with going to do 200 trips? It's like a medieval Portugese man pointing at the Atlantic Ocean, and saying there is an entire continent on the other side, and the next day he claims he can turn into a dragon. Why would I still try to cross the Ocean?

Why are you mad at me for criticizing your bizarre claims? You were the one who posted about it. You could have easily waited till it worked out or not and then posted it (even though posting it would be insane in itself). Instead you sloppily posted around the forum with insane claims.

And you never retracted it or talked about it, what happened during that time. A simple "Forget about what I said, I was in an unstable mental state" would have been enough. By not doing that you are basically saying that it's still possible that your transformation etc might have been valid. So hence my critique.

And you're getting mad at me for questioning this? What, I'm supposed to just be a gullible little boy and let you make all these absolutely bizarre claims without questioning you on it? such gullibility goes a 180 degrees in to what you have always taught us. And you criticize Sadhguru's followers and other new age followers for it. Saying it's just mockery feels like gaslighting. And again, we're not talking about some vague claims of telepathy or remote viewing here. We're literally talking about a physical transformation into an alien being here. Hollywood stuff. What do you expect of me?

Instantly calling me entitled is such an empty argument. Of course we as your audience are not entitled to anything. Yet we are also the only reason your entire business exists. In the same way you are also not entitled to not be critiqued by your audience.

Not critiquing your episode is actually the biggest mockery of your work, because it's like a fly in an otherwise great soup. Leaving the fly in there would be not doing a serious investigation into your work. You have shared some of the best wisdom I've ever read in my life. A critique like this is a respect of your work, not a mockery.

 

[gengar]

3 hours ago, thedoorsareopen said:

I missed those videos but Leo is hardly alone in these things. It's like breakingthewall said, the mystical opening leads to many such direct realizations like this. Leo works in the nondual space, but there are a lot of mystical spiritual people who are more in the alien space. 

Honestly, the idea that you could transform into an alien, I believe you could look in a mirror on psychedelics and see yourself in your Pleadian form, easily. Just the same as you can look in the mirror and see the faces of your ancestors morph across your face. Now that, I have seen first hand. Could I replicate it on camera? I don't think so. But I have watched many many people claiming to channel aliens, and many of them actually LOOK alien like in their facial structure and hair cuts.

And it's just like Leo said, these things are simultaneously accessible to the mystic, and too weird to ever translate into a sober human lifestyle that could become commonplace on this planet, so they remain in the realm of what our society labels psychosis, superstition, and myth.

I have been flirting with psychosis throughout my life, but somehow never quite fall in. I must not be prone to schizophrenia, because I have most certainly spent months in the same mental space that leads people to believe that helicopters are following them, and that they're space Jesus, so they should stand on the street corner smoking crack at 3am, and yet I didn't ever experience my life falling apart like that. It just seemed like musing to me. I'd do some acid and see some cool shit, and then I'd just go to bed and head to work on Monday. But meanwhile my sense of reality was very abnormal. I'm lucky and grateful that I was able to simply muse philosophical about these things, rather than falling into psychosis or schizophrenia.

Interesting take. However it doesn't warrant claiming to be able to transform while "sober" (assuming Leo doesn't post while tripping) , and also gives more credibility to the materialist paradigm, that all those hallucinations and states of consciousness can happen in your consciousness but never have the power to make others experience it too in the "real world"

[gengar]

5 hours ago, Staples said:

@gengarThis is like shit talking the first cosmonauts for being overwhelmed with the experience of visiting outer space.

If you've never been to space, what do you know of it?

A little bit of love and empathy on this forum you enjoy for free would be nice. 

love and empathy is scrutiny of bizarre claims that were never followed up upon. Transforming into an alien is a claim a 1000 times more bizarre than landing on the moon.

Afaik, our consensus reality still beholds to the laws of physics. it's precisely what makes the dream feel real. transforming into an alien on camera would break all notions of physics and consensus reality and change history in a second. we would basically start living in an irl fantasy world. its incomparable with landing on the moon.

shaming me for criticizing bizarre claims is an awful argument. I don't care the forum is free. conspiracy theories online are also free. Poison is free.

I'm actually doing proper scientific inquiry here. The forum is amazing and I'm actually showing it respect by bringing up these topics.

[Leo Gura]

I thought it would work but it didn't.

[gengar]

3 hours ago, Ero said:

@gengar Have you ever had a psychedelic breakthrough? I am talking beyond the 2-3g mushrooms/ 150-250 ug LSD doses. There are seriously twisted things that you can experience in those spaces, like, for example, being shredded and morphed inside out. If you did, you would have a little more understanding for what Leo went through.

That said, I myself wonder what makes the manifestation of a psychedelic state into baseline so hard, even with Leo's level of Awakenings. My current understanding is that each level of Consciousness has a certain coherence to it, accessible only from that particular state of Mind.

If you read Talbot's "Holographic Universe", then you may be familiar with the idea a spiritual events can take different forms depending on the consciousness of the observer (some just get headaches/ others straight up see that shit). The "if Jesus/ aliens appeared, you wouldn't even know it" type thing. The dynamics between states, i.e the relative ontology, is highly non-trivial. 

I haven't, but I am assuming Leo was posting while sober about his alien transformation (posting sober is a rule of the forum), so it doesn't make any difference. I'm extremely open minded but also extremely skeptical.

The deconstruction of sober consensus reality is something entirely different than going through insane stuff while tripping.

"That said, I myself wonder what makes the manifestation of a psychedelic state into baseline so hard, even with Leo's level of Awakenings. My current understanding is that each level of Consciousness has a certain coherence to it, accessible only from that particular state of Mind."

My theory is that the body is in itself a psychedelic. The paradox of realizing that matter is unreal, on psychedelics, is that you are having such an awakening only because you ingested a certain piece of matter, namely the psychedelic chemical. this would explain why Leo doesn't understand why he always comes back even when going into entirely bodyless states. the body still exists because he is it. only upon physical death is your consciousness fully released. Leo still being alive in our dream means it'd be impossible for him to have gone fully away.

What do you mean with "each level of Consciousness has a certain coherence to it, accessible only from that particular state of Mind." ?

and with this "The "if Jesus/ aliens appeared, you wouldn't even know it" type thing. The dynamics between states, i.e the relative ontology, is highly non-trivial. " ?

It seems like you're saying some profound stuff here, but i'm not sure how to read it.

[Schizophonia]

@The Crocodile @Breakingthewall Science is imaginary

If you believe that levitation "might maybe be possible even if it's hard to believe," you will have proof that it is "might maybe be possible even if it's hard to believe."

[gengar]

4 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I thought it would work but it didn't.

Okay, but did you not think of the ramifications of that if it would work, that history would change in an instant, and you would be the biggest freak in the world? that people would go looking for you? If I thought I could transform into an alien, i'd keep it a secret purely for my survival. Thinking of sharing it is more bizarre than thinking you are able to do it IMO.

This is my last question. I'll stop hammering about it, I understand it's not the most gentle way of going about it, but the scope of the claim does warrant this amount of scrutiny.

[Schizophonia]

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It's very simple:

I accessed such advanced states of consciousness that they are very difficult to make sense of and articulate.

I share stuff on this forum in unpolished form because this is where I hash out my ideas and think out loud.

Not only were these states very advanced, accessing them destablizes the psyche and has serious risks and costs. You expect this stuff to just come easy and polished, but that's not how it works. I share a lot of raw and real stuff with you guys which no other teacher would share. That means it's less polished and packaged. I share parts of my process. Set your expectations accordingly.

You have a very entitled attitude. I don't owe you anything. I share very radical ideas which no one else would ever share with you. I put my life at risk to reach the highest states of consciousness. And then I have to put with your mockery.

Are aliens only in 3D?

We trap animals to eat them, maybe humans are in a gigantic trap for aliens in another dimension, and we don't see how that could be possible because of our cognitive limitations.

Maybe you could mutate, through neuroplasticity, into a hybrid entity.

Actually "aliens", "3d", and "neuroplasticity", it's all imaginary, but you get the idea.

Edited Sunday at 08:20 PM by Schizophonia

[Francis777]

can someone link the blog post please?

[Leo Gura]

31 minutes ago, gengar said:

and you would be the biggest freak in the world?

I will happily be the biggest freak in the world.

As if anything humans understand matters.

Edited Sunday at 08:49 PM by Leo Gura

[Francis777]

29 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I will happily be the biggest freak in the world.

Would you sit in front of all your family members and transform into this right before their eyes?

Edited Sunday at 09:14 PM by Leo Gura

[Terell Kirby]

24 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I will happily be the biggest freak in the world.

Shout out to all da freaks

[Francis777]

27 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I will happily be the biggest freak in the world.

As if anything humans understand matters.

seeing that you edited your response, I'll reply to this as well, would you happily be the biggest freak in the world if it meant scaring the shit out of everyone around just to show them what's possible? Because I remember in an old blog post you said never to use truth to hurt people but even knowing that this would frighten people, you would still go right ahead and do it, since "nothing humans understand matters". Humans currently understand that this is not possible, and doing this in front of them would shatter everything they know be utterly terrifying, but that doesn't matter, is that what your saying?

[Leo Gura]

@Francis777 Using truth to hurt people is very different from them freaking out at you for their own petty reasons.

[Eskilon]

6 minutes ago, Francis777 said:

seeing that you edited your response, I'll reply to this as well, would you happily be the biggest freak in the world if it meant scaring the shit out of everyone around just to show them what's possible? Because I remember in an old blog post you said never to use truth to hurt people but even knowing that this would frighten people, you would still go right ahead and do it, since "nothing humans understand matters". Humans currently understand that this is not possible, and doing this in front of them would shatter everything they know be utterly terrifying, but that doesn't matter, is that what your saying?

This is really interesting. It`s like the question, if aliens exists and know where we are, and have the means to have themselves be known worldwide, then they are not revealing themselves out of compassions to our sense of reality. Of course this assumes that, they are developed and ultimately good and mature, which we dont really know if its the case.

[Breakingthewall]

@gengar  

It's good that you're serious and asking seriously. I write on this forum often because it's the only place I know where you can express your spiritual expansion, and I wish there were honest people with a true intention of opening up and going deeper.

I'll tell you the answer: it's a message of reality  to tell anyone who can understand the slightest thing: don't believe anyone, just believe in yourself

[Leo Gura]

Just now, Breakingthewall said:

just believe in yourself

Good luck with that

[Princess Arabia]

1 minute ago, Leo Gura said:

Good luck with that

Lol

[Francis777]

5 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

@Francis777 Using truth to hurt people is very different from them freaking out at you for their own petty reasons.

This the is point though, are you going to just disregard people's current state of conscious (ie, them being at a stage where such a thing would freak them out). Just because you deem it to be petty and irrelevant?

Just because your intention itself is not to harm but knowing that harm will most likely be a side effect, your saying this doesn't matter and you would go ahead with it?

[Princess Arabia]

2 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

, and I wish there were honest people with a true intention of opening up and going deeper.

You must need company to dig deeper into your illusion with. Saying this is like the Jehovah Witnesses trying to save others so they can convince others of their own illusion of heaven and hell. Why do you care if others open up and go deeper. Do you really care about others or is it for your own salvation. If I can see others do it, then I'll know it's possible.