The Truth Behind Elon Musk’s Drug Use

[Schizophonia]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

You don't see why a guy who does business with the government and intelligence agencies and world leaders would lie about habitual use of legally questionable "drugs"?

NASA almost cancelled their contract with Musk after he smoked weed on Joe Rogan.

You think if Musk was addicted to it he would tell you about it? Do you think he even has enough self-awareness to admit to himself if he is addicted?

I don't know, I haven't thought about it that much.
I know that if I were in his shoes, I wouldn't care; Even if I had addiction problems, I'd still say so.
The important thing is that I can fulfill my professional duties. If some of my clients turn out to be hysterical puritans, then fuck them.

I wouldn't be surprised if Musk thinks like that either; He reacted violently when he was criticized for not censoring pro-Hamas accounts on X or something like that enough.

Edited March 16 by Schizophonia

[Joshe]

37 minutes ago, Schizophonia said:

I don't see why he would lie.

Did you miss those times he claimed to be one of the world's best gamers, only to be exposed for paying for leveled-up accounts, all just to deceive you?

If not, it’s odd how you cannot see why he’d lie to you. 

[Leo Gura]

The world's greatest gamer would never lie.

[LordFall]

The anti elon musk bias on this forum is pretty disgusting. Your criticisms are not unwarranted but let's not forget he's basically objectively the best businessman of all time. 

I don't see his companies collapsing from his drug use and if I had to bet money on it(which I probably will) his companies will be doing better than ever 5 years from now.

 

[Leo Gura]

10 minutes ago, LordFall said:

I don't see his companies collapsing from his drug use and if I had to bet money on it(which I probably will) his companies will be doing better than ever 5 years from now.

If he had the wisdom to stick to his business, we wouldn't be talking about him.

But he is corrupting the entire government. So it is our right and duty to call him dangerous. Musk wants to take democracy away from us. This makes him an enemy of the people. No amount of business success can excuse such a grevious sin. If Musk is gonna play dirty and undermine democracy, he should be worried about a lot more than just about critical words. He has no idea what tree he's barked up.

Edited March 16 by Leo Gura

[Lyubov]

I think Musk is high as shit on cocaine and ketamine for sure very often. Most super rich nepotism guys that act like this are huge users. Trump is actually an exception but let’s be real, many boomers act like Trump. That entire generation is egotistical. They get high off something else entirely, probably the fact they were the most coddled and spoiled generation ever that left behind barely anything for the next. 

Edited March 17 by Lyubov

[Ero]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Musk wants to take democracy away from us. This makes him an enemy of the people. If Musk is gonna play dirty and undermine democracy, he should be worried about a lot more than just about critical words. He has no idea what tree he's barked up.

Vox populi, vox Dei.

No king, politician or oligarch can withstand the masses when they are hungry for justice.
 

[AION]

11 hours ago, LordFall said:

The anti elon musk bias on this forum is pretty disgusting. Your criticisms are not unwarranted but let's not forget he's basically objectively the best businessman of all time. 

I don't see his companies collapsing from his drug use and if I had to bet money on it(which I probably will) his companies will be doing better than ever 5 years from now.

 

It is just that one guy is anti Musk and all the parrots are just doing what they are doing best. Some are acting like he has to work to keep the lights on. He could stop working today and he wouldn't have to work for 2000 years if he had the life span because he has that much money.

[Leo Gura]

20 minutes ago, AION said:

It is just that one guy is anti Musk and all the parrots

I am not even that anti-Musk.

People here have hated on him long before I said anything.

I have tried to be fair to Musk from the beginning. If anything, I was too fair to him. People here even critcized me for defending him. And I am still fair to him. It is only in the domain of politics that I have any gripes with him because his political ideas and actions are truly cringe and corrupt. There's just no way around that. There is no steelmanning of Musk's anti-woke crusade. It is fallacious and harmful to democracy.

Edited March 17 by Leo Gura

[gengar]

11 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If he had the wisdom to stick to his business, we wouldn't be talking about him.

But he is corrupting the entire government. So it is our right and duty to call him dangerous. Musk wants to take democracy away from us. This makes him an enemy of the people. No amount of business success can excuse such a grevious sin. If Musk is gonna play dirty and undermine democracy, he should be worried about a lot more than just about critical words. He has no idea what tree he's barked up.

His anarcho-capitalist business endeavors were also an attack on the people. Yet libs never talk about that as a threat, they're fine with it. Now we see what late-stage capitalism leads to, oligarchy and erasure of democracy. It has everything to with his business endeavors. You either become insanely evil like trump and musk, or so lazy and compromised to not be able to stop it like the dems. All what is happening now is the inevitable conclusion of a country like america, the Nash equilibrium of the American spirit.

[Twentyfirst]

13 hours ago, AION said:

Being a genius and being crazy is a 2-1 package

Since when is JP a genius? Dude is beyond lost. I met a few geniuses in my life and they were far from crazy. They were not normal but they were sane 

 

[Leo Gura]

@gengar You're talking about the problem of capitalism at large, which is unfair to blame on Musk or his evil. Musk is just an actor within a capitalist system that needs to grow and develop technology for its survival.

Be very careful about demonizing people for capitalism as a whole.

Edited March 17 by Leo Gura

[something_else]

41 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

I am not even that anti-Musk.

People here have hated on him long before I said anything.

I have tried to be fair to Musk from the beginning. If anything, I was too fair to him. People here even critcized me for defending him. And I am still fair to him. It is only in the domain of politics that I have any gripes with him because his political ideas and actions are truly cringe and corrupt. There's just no way around that. There is no steelmanning of Musk's anti-woke crusade. It is fallacious and harmful to democracy.

I used to think he was a pretty great guy as well many years back. But now you can see his unfiltered mind on Twitter, and from this you can see that even beyond his politics he's cringe, deranged, and also just a bit stupid.

I don't deny that he must have certain visionary qualities based on some of his achievements, but when you really look at how his companies were run you start to see that even there he isn't as critical to their success as it might seem. Most of the successful companies he runs have admitted to having special teams that exist purely to manage Elon and prevent him from creating utter chaos. Apparently the Cybertruck is something he was so adamant about that he essentially forced it through this process without letting anyone veto it, and it's terrible.

Hearing something like this makes me wonder whether he is really as much of an important visionary figure in these businesses as he seems. Twitter is the first example of a large company that Musk has full control over without such a team. And it's a trainwreck.

[Leo Gura]

15 minutes ago, something_else said:

I used to think he was a pretty great guy as well many years back. But now you can see his unfiltered mind on Twitter, and from this you can see that even beyond his politics he's cringe, deranged, and also just a bit stupid.

He's immature.

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I don't deny that he must have certain visionary qualities based on some of his achievements, but when you really look at how his companies were run you start to see that even there he isn't as critical to their success as it might seem.

Yeah, but I think that's a you problem of expecting him to be more than he is. He's a founder. Founders never have been responsible for all of a company success. Founders assemble a great team and direct it towards a great vision. Musk is good at that. No more, no less. He's not some sort of e-Jesus.

It's actually important for founders to be rough around the edges. That provides innovation which managers cannot do.

I'm rough around the edges. And that's what makes Actualized so appealing. If I was a corporate guy in suit or even a Buddhist, Actualized would be lame and not worth following.

If you want innovation you need a mind that's pretty odd and unhinged. Unfortunately this very bad for politics.

Edited March 17 by Leo Gura

[AION]

1 hour ago, Leo Gura said:

I am not even that anti-Musk.

People here have hated on him long before I said anything.

I have tried to be fair to Musk from the beginning. If anything, I was too fair to him. People here even critcized me for defending him. And I am still fair to him. It is only in the domain of politics that I have any gripes with him because his political ideas and actions are truly cringe and corrupt. There's just no way around that. There is no steelmanning of Musk's anti-woke crusade. It is fallacious and harmful to democracy.

Musk was leftist until not so long ago. The breaking point was when his kid became trans and he blamed it on woke culture. And his bad experience with the repressive side of the left through censorship and cancel culture. 

[Leo Gura]

4 minutes ago, AION said:

Musk was leftist until not so long ago. The breaking point was when his kid became trans and he blamed it on woke culture. And his bad experience with the repressive side of the left through censorship and cancel culture. 

We know his rationalization. But it is BS.

The real reason he went anti-woke is because he realized wokeness wants to limit his power and control with unions.

Unions are what turned Musk right.

His kid is happy and doing fine. Musk just doesn't accept who they became and now uses it as an excuse to be corrupt.

Edited March 17 by Leo Gura

[Basman]

8 hours ago, Lyubov said:

I think Musk is high as shit on cocaine and ketamine for sure very often. Most super rich nepotism guys that act like this are huge users. Trump is actually an exception but let’s be real, many boomers act like Trump. That entire generation is egotistical. They get high off something else entirely, probably the fact they were the most coddled and spoiled generation ever that left behind barely anything for the next. 

Millenial spotted. Taking the shot.

[AION]

17 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

We know his rationalization. But it is BS.

The real reason he went anti-woke is because he realized wokeness wants to limit his power and control with unions.

Unions are what turned Musk right.

His kid is happy and doing fine. Musk just doesn't accept who they became and now uses it as an excuse to be corrupt.

Why would he go woke over unions? Just to save couple of bucks? Do you think he is really that shallow? If he was that shallow he would be a different guy and not even be that successful. He bought Twitter and allow free speech and so on. He doesn't seem like a guy that wants endless money. The same people who talk shit about him would go ape shit if they had 10% of his wealth when they see how much women and respect money can get. He seems very grounded for a guy with that wealth. Some people become mods on this forum and even that get's to their head 😩🤣

[Breakingthewall]

Musk is a very creative guy, but without state aid, he wouldn't have survived , so he's not a pure capitalist.  He's more of an ambitious visionary who wants to make his mark in history. He's pretty crazy, but for some reason, things turn out well for him. He has vision and knows how to sell himself. On the other hand, he has major flaws, and he doesn't hide them. Musk is a fairly transparent guy, which is appreciated, since at those levels, it's normal for people to be the opposite of what they show. We'll see the results of his political actions; it's too early to judge.

Edited March 17 by Breakingthewall

[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, AION said:

Why would he go woke over unions? Just to save couple of bucks?

As I keep saying, you guys misunderstand billionaires. It's not about the money. It's about the ego trip, the power, the control, the feeling of grand self-importance.

Musk is on an epic ego power trip. Just like Trump.

Unions threaten to take away his power and control. The thing Musk hates the most is having to share power with others.

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Do you think he is really that shallow?

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Although if you really understood what an ego trip is, it's not as shallow as digits in a bank account. Ego trip is all about the feeling.

When Musk wants mankind to fly to Mars, that's an ego-trip. He wants it because it makes him feel like his life matters. Like he's the most important guy on Earth.

Edited March 17 by Leo Gura