Am I taking 5-MeO-DMT too frequently?

[Thought Art]

Take it easy ol boy

[aurum]

I have a hard time relating to how much some of ya'll do psychedelics. I'm still understanding insights from trips I had years ago.

And they're so badly inconvenient for normal life.

1-2x per year feels like max for me.

3x per week consistently is insane.

[OBEler]

1 hour ago, aurum said:

I have a hard time relating to how much some of ya'll do psychedelics. I'm still understanding insights from trips I had years ago.

And they're so badly inconvenient for normal life.

1-2x per year feels like max for me.

3x per week consistently is insane.

You need a bit differentiation. The forum poster  here talks about lower doses on 5 which are very easy to integrate because there is no visual nor big drama going on. It's more just energy you feel.

[aurum]

50 minutes ago, OBEler said:

You need a bit differentiation. The forum poster  here talks about lower doses on 5 which are very easy to integrate because there is no visual nor big drama going on. It's more just energy you feel.

Well I've not experimented with 5-MeO. So maybe I'm wrong. But even a low dose at 3x a week seems crazy to me.

If it's so low that it has almost no effect, then why even do it?

[OBEler]

@aurum how can you so easily take an opinion on a substance you have no idea about it's effects? 5 Meo is not comparable to any other classic psychedelics.

 

Edited Sunday at 03:29 AM by OBEler

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, aurum said:

1-2x per year feels like max for me.

3x per week consistently is insane.

These are rookie numbers.

[aurum]

15 minutes ago, OBEler said:

@aurum how can you so easily take an opinion on a substance you have no idea about it's effects? 5 Meo is not comparable to any other classic psychedelics.

I admit I'm mostly speculating. This is not some hard line stance I have.

From the reports I've read from people over the years, just calling low dose 5-MeO "extra energy" doesn't seem right.

[aurum]

11 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

These are rookie numbers.

Well maybe I'll get there at some point. I've done a lot of sober spiritual work so more psychedelics could be a quantum leap for me.

My current goal is to do 5-MeO for the first time by the end of the year. 

[Tristan12]

9 hours ago, OBEler said:

Yeah but what exactly happens? Where do you go? Are you in a white mental space? Do you see something? Do you expand or so, do you feel your body? Can you think normally? Are you observing etc?

That's really hard to describe lol. Most of the time I work on emotional matters though and it's not overly spiritual or reality-transcending.

Not in a white mental space, I don't see anything but vision can get a bit blurry at the higher end of my dose range. My body feels heavy and lethargic, I can think somewhat normally

Edited Sunday at 04:58 AM by Tristan12

[Tristan12]

7 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

It can certainly be addictive. Not physically, but as an escape to God.

God itself is addictive because nothing else in life will be as good. Your normal life will start to feel like a drag next to a 5-MeO high.

 

6 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

If you are doing 3x/wk you will start to get addicted and there will be negative consequences eventually.

I've had addictive tendencies all my life because of my emotional issues, so I know how I feel and act when I get addicted to something, and I don't feel that way with 5meo. I do enjoy it and think it is a really beautiful substance, but if I had to stop right now for a year, I don't think I'd have any problem with it. I've been much more addicted to video games in the past, and that's not that hard to quit. 

My trips are light, I'm afraid of ego death and going overly deep. I get that 5meo is still God's energy, but I'm sure what I'm experiencing is nothing close to the ecstasy of the other side of ego death and reaching God realization. So there is not as much to get addicted to there.

[Tristan12]

4 hours ago, aurum said:

I have a hard time relating to how much some of ya'll do psychedelics. I'm still understanding insights from trips I had years ago.

And they're so badly inconvenient for normal life.

1-2x per year feels like max for me.

3x per week consistently is insane.

First of all my trips are always low doses, second of all, I have severe mental health issues, I am frequently suicidal, I can't work right now because of my issues, the only thing I do in my life is work on figuring out how to heal myself. It's an urgent matter so I need to be making progress with it.

Using psychedelics allows me to get into my subconscious mind and really understand what is going on and what I need to do to heal. Most trips give me further insights and understandings into myself, but there isn't much that I need to spend time integrating. The understandings that I gain help me with my next trip.

Maybe once I get to the point where I get deep and genuine emotional purges and healing, there will be a lot of integration to be done, but at the same time this healing is a very urgent matter for me and there is nothing else going on in my life, so I can dedicate all of my time to it.

[aurum]

10 minutes ago, Tristan12 said:

First of all my trips are always low doses, second of all, I have severe mental health issues, I am frequently suicidal, I can't work right now because of my issues, the only thing I do in my life is work on figuring out how to heal myself. It's an urgent matter so I need to be making progress with it.

Using psychedelics allows me to get into my subconscious mind and really understand what is going on and what I need to do to heal. Most trips give me further insights and understandings into myself, but there isn't much that I need to spend time integrating. The understandings that I gain help me with my next trip.

Maybe once I get to the point where I get deep and genuine emotional purges and healing, there will be a lot of integration to be done, but at the same time this healing is a very urgent matter for me and there is nothing else going on in my life, so I can dedicate all of my time to it.

I wish you the best with your healing. Do what you need to do.

[Tristan12]

@aurum Thank you

[Loving Radiance]

1 hour ago, Tristan12 said:

First of all my trips are always low doses, second of all, I have severe mental health issues, I am frequently suicidal, I can't work right now because of my issues, the only thing I do in my life is work on figuring out how to heal myself. It's an urgent matter so I need to be making progress with it.

Using psychedelics allows me to get into my subconscious mind and really understand what is going on and what I need to do to heal. Most trips give me further insights and understandings into myself, but there isn't much that I need to spend time integrating. The understandings that I gain help me with my next trip.

Maybe once I get to the point where I get deep and genuine emotional purges and healing, there will be a lot of integration to be done, but at the same time this healing is a very urgent matter for me and there is nothing else going on in my life, so I can dedicate all of my time to it.

I can recommend looking into IFS, Voice Dialog, and Process Work.

You can use every feeling and thought/belief as an opening to dive deep & feel into yourself to notice, embrace and integrate every part of you and gain awareness of your shadow.

[Verg0]

Careful with the 5-MeO-DMT.  Don't underestimate it's power. Even in low doses there seems to be the potential for long term changes in consciousness through regular use. 

It's like playing with fire. Easy to burn yourself. 

 

[Twentyfirst]

8 hours ago, aurum said:

 

And they're so badly inconvenient for normal life.

 

That's sort of the point 

[Davino]

If you use psychedelics often it's good to have strong grounding habits. Like lots of physical activity, walking in nature, healthy routine etc.

There's also a profound beauty in sober crystalline life, treating your body and mind like a temple. There's a sharpness, ease and self-contentment in being natural that substances cannot give.

[OBEler]

3 hours ago, Verg0 said:

Careful with the 5-MeO-DMT.  Don't underestimate it's power. Even in low doses there seems to be the potential for long term changes in consciousness through regular use. 

It's like playing with fire. Easy to burn yourself. 

 

Can you elaborate?

I know you had some problems with high doses, but low doses? You seem positive about taking frequently low doses in your videos. That doesn't fit to this statement. I am a bit surprised right now to hear such a strong warning or are you exaggerating?

 

[OBEler]

6 hours ago, Tristan12 said:

First of all my trips are always low doses, second of all, I have severe mental health issues, I am frequently suicidal, I can't work right now because of my issues, the only thing I do in my life is work on figuring out how to heal myself. It's an urgent matter so I need to be making progress with it.

Using psychedelics allows me to get into my subconscious mind and really understand what is going on and what I need to do to heal. Most trips give me further insights and understandings into myself, but there isn't much that I need to spend time integrating. The understandings that I gain help me with my next trip.

Maybe once I get to the point where I get deep and genuine emotional purges and healing, there will be a lot of integration to be done, but at the same time this healing is a very urgent matter for me and there is nothing else going on in my life, so I can dedicate all of my time to it.

Overall I think you do good on frequently using 5 meo DMT. I use it over 4 years and recently I use it weekly  and had never ever any addiction feeling or any negative side effects (just headaches if I vape too much because of e liquid). I take it not only for the trip itself but more so for the afterglow effects, these are sometimes very nice and energetic. But I don't crave for that. It's like taking a cold shower and the effects after. 

I am not addicted because I don't have like Leo access to god. I don't have even feelings of love. If I have a break of some months  I don't get any thoughts about that I NEED to do it. Zero addiction potential for me (until I reach god mode probably).

If I would describe my low doses  it is exiting and relaxing and also a bit nervous all together. Sometimes I feel energy, often I feel not much at all. Very rarely I see some visuals. I need to push myself to do it if I don't do it regularly  because of resistance.

 

Edited Sunday at 11:52 AM by OBEler

[Tristan12]

@OBEler My experience is pretty similar to yours. I don't really experience any fear going into it at this point, I definitely did in the beginning, but now my trips are very consistent so I know what to expect and I don't get nervous. I enjoy the trips, they are usually beautiful and feel good, but I don't feel like I have to trip, and if for some reason I could no longer do these trips anymore, I wouldn't have a problem.