Sri Ramana Maharshi

[Princess Arabia]

29 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

Its not just a concept, its something real, genetically encoded over billions of years of evolution. The conceptual issue is only the tip of the iceberg. The energetic structures that build the psyche are absolutely real.

Yes, I get that but so are the constraints of the mind. If you knew nothing you wouldn't call yourself a human and tell yourself what it means to be such, so it's still conceptual. The energetic structures that build the psyche are absolutely real to the mind, not reality itself which is boundless and free. Understanding this will allow for one to stop fighting with those structures and allow for them to be what they are. We are fighting structures and using the same thing that created them to destroy them. Chasing our own tail. Caught in a loop. 

[Breakingthewall]

10 minutes ago, Princess Arabia said:

Yes, I get that but so are the constraints of the mind. If you knew nothing you wouldn't call yourself a human and tell yourself what it means to be such, so it's still conceptual. The energetic structures that build the psyche are absolutely real to the mind, not reality itself which is boundless and free. Understanding this will allow for one to stop fighting with those structures and allow for them to be what they are. We are fighting structures and using the same thing that created them to destroy them. Chasing our own tail. Caught in a loop. 

The conceptual mind is the result of energetic structures, not the other way around. You're a child. One day you feel fear, then you create a structure around that fear. One day you feel unaccepted, and you create another structure. If another day you see a cloud in the sky, you don't create a structure around that, you create it around the fact that your father rejects you, since millions of generations of tribal ancestors are screaming at you: you must be accepted, or you're dead. Then from these structures you create concepts.

All the Tolle spirituality, sadhguru, etc., is absolutely false. They tell you that you are wrong, that your mood depends only on you. What if they tell you that tomorrow your entire family will be tortured and you will be thrown into a dungeon, and then a witch will cast a spell on you that will send you to hell for eons, right NOW, nothing bad is happening! Lobotomize yourself! Buy heroin and be happy! And people buy into those scams and then get frustrated triying to castrate themselves.

Your state doesn't depends only on you, you are a hive entity interconnected with the totality, not an island. 

Edited Sunday at 04:22 PM by Breakingthewall

[RedLine]

On 15/3/2025 at 2:43 PM, Breakingthewall said:

 

He always says: ask yourself what you are. You are not the body, because it's temporary. You are not the mind. Neti neti. So what's left? Let's see. Knowing that you are not the body is an idea of the mind. Knowing that you are not the mind is also an idea. The understanding that you are the infinite void is also a deduction created by the mind. You are not the void. This is not true. You are something else very different. Let's imagine the possibility that Ramana was wrong. Don't you feel a feeling of , let's say, incompleteness, when you listen Ramana?

 

Neti neti is an exercise, not an ontological claim.

[Breakingthewall]

13 hours ago, RedLine said:

Neti neti is an exercise, not an ontological claim.

I don't understand how it could work. If you meditate, you place yourself in a mental attitude in which those kinds of things mean nothing. You can't say, "I am not the body," because in a state of meditation, the concept of a body doesn't exist. It's a liquid state, without anything solid like the idea of a body. This doesn't mean that by being in a state beyond the mind, you have a total openness to your nature; it's only the first step. But if you're in a mental vibration in which the body means something, you're in the conceptually structured mind that opposite body against what is not the body, and that's a superficial level where there can be no deep understanding. Deep understanding is inarticulate, happens in the land where there is not differentiation between body or anything else.