More Democrats need to grow more of a spine!

[Elliott]

23 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

100%. Some of the best messaging I've seen has been from the Lincoln Project, and from Christians who are disgusted by Trump.

The project then is to build a popular front between the Left the Center (including both the Center-Left and the Center-Right) against fascism.

'No Oligarchs. No Kings. Restore the Rule Of Law.' is one way of doing that.

You should watch the Newsom Bannon interview then, Bannon is anti oligarchy, hates musk and the tech bros, supports medicaid and TAXING BILLIONAIRES.

Edited Saturday at 01:17 PM by Elliott

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Speaking of Democrats, I made a thread talking about out them, and what should progressives do given a two-party system.

I want as many people to at least answer the poll.

But the two largest caucuses in the Democratic Party, according to Wikipedia, are the Blue Dogs and the New Democrats. Both caucuses are fiscally conservative in principle. So no matter either way you vote, you get fiscal conservatism.

 

[Apparition of Jack]

3 minutes ago, Elliott said:

You should watch the Newsom Bannon interview then, Bannon is anti oligarchy, hates musk and the tech bros, supports medicaid.

No. Be careful with Bannon. He is one of the worst people in Trump’s circle.

Hes an explicit white nationalist who plans to use American dissatisfaction with the status quo to turn America into a white ethnostate. He will say things that progressives like (like supporting Medicare or calling Musk racist) to make himself more palatable to Americans whilst in actuality not caring about any of these and in fact pushing for the exact opposite. Without giving him too much credit, he’s incredibly cunning and has a very strong grasp on social psychology but is using those to push one of the most evil ends in existence. 
 

Don’t be fooled by his lies. That’s what he’s hoping to achieve. 

[Elliott]

1 minute ago, Apparition of Jack said:

No. Be careful with Bannon. He is one of the worst people in Trump’s circle.

Hes an explicit white nationalist who plans to use American dissatisfaction with the status quo to turn America into a white ethnostate. He will say things that progressives like (like supporting Medicare or calling Musk racist) to make himself more palatable to Americans whilst in actuality not caring about any of these and in fact pushing for the exact opposite. Without giving him too much credit, he’s incredibly cunning and has a very strong grasp on social psychology but is using those to push one of the most evil ends in existence. 
 

Don’t be fooled by his lies. That’s what he’s hoping to achieve. 

No he's not.

[Apparition of Jack]

23 minutes ago, DocWatts said:

100%. Some of the best messaging I've seen has been from the Lincoln Project, and from Christians who are disgusted by Trump.

The project then is to build a popular front between the Left the Center (including both the Center-Left and the Center-Right) against fascism.

'No Oligarchs. No Kings. Restore the Rule Of Law.' is one way of doing that.

Yes, absolutely. It’s a shame that some of the best anti-Trump messaging isn’t coming from the Dems at all, but then again fuck the status quo Dems lol. You’re absolutely right in pushing that sort of message - this current crisis is a crisis of American democracy that extends beyond party lines, so messages like that appeal to people across the political spectrum.

[Apparition of Jack]

@Elliott He literally did Elon’s Nazi salute a few days ago as an overt wink to his supporters - he’s trying to fool you. 
 

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/3/12/2309813/-Steve-Bannon-s-plot-to-convert-Democrats-into-ultranationalists

[Elliott]

Just now, Apparition of Jack said:

@Elliott He literally did Elon’s Nazi salute a few days ago as an overt wink to his supporters - he’s trying to fool you. 
 

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/3/12/2309813/-Steve-Bannon-s-plot-to-convert-Democrats-into-ultranationalists

Ya, to troll you fools.

[Apparition of Jack]

@Elliott Dude, Bannon has been aligned with Trump since Day 1. If you can’t see how MAGA propagandists operate by now then IDK what to tell you lol. Maybe you could get away with being this gullible in 2017 but not these lol.

If you want some conservatives who actually give a shit about the country, check out the Lincoln Project. They have a bunch of incredible anti-Trump content to check out lol, its honestly hilarious 😂

[Elliott]

5 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

@Elliott Dude, Bannon has been aligned with Trump since Day 1. If you can’t see how MAGA propagandists operate by now then IDK what to tell you lol. Maybe you could get away with being this gullible in 2017 but not these lol.

If you want some conservatives who actually give a shit about the country, check out the Lincoln Project. They have a bunch of incredible anti-Trump content to check out lol, its honestly hilarious 😂

 

Skip to 0:50

 

I don't agree with Bannon on almost anything. I'm a Democrat, liberal.

 

Edited Saturday at 01:32 PM by Elliott

[Elliott]

Have you guys read Van Jones book on Trump? You people have a HUUUGE blind spot, quit listening to that moron AOC.

Bannon pushed back on TRUMP about cutting medicaid WAY before the Newsom interview.

Edited Saturday at 01:37 PM by Elliott

[Husseinisdoingfine]

Whenever I get frustrated with the retardation of American politics, at least compared to Europe, I like to think back to this talk.

Skip to 0:40 minute mark.

Edit: Bonus Video!

“If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you are going to have selfish ignorant leaders”

— George Carlin

Edited Saturday at 01:41 PM by Husseinisdoingfine

[Elliott]

5 minutes ago, Husseinisdoingfine said:

Whenever I get frustrated with the retardation of American politics, at least compared to Europe, I like to think back to this talk.

Skip to 0:40 minute mark.

 

 

Giving people agency in terms of democratic governance grows people out of that retardation. No one is born a sage, we learn by mistakes. Autocracy keeps the masses retarded.

Edited Saturday at 01:44 PM by Elliott

[Apparition of Jack]

8 minutes ago, Elliott said:

Have you guys read Van Jones book on Trump? You people have a HUUUGE blind spot, quit listening to that moron AOC.

Bannon pushed back on TRUMP about cutting medicaid WAY before the Newsom interview.

Idk what to say dude. If Bannon is so anti-Trump why is he literally aligned with him? 
 

If Bannon pushes back against social security cuts, it’s because he recognises how unpopular they are and how much they’ll hurt the Trump administration. He doesn’t actually care at all about old people not getting pensions, he’s just trying to gain as much power as he can to push his ethnonationalist agenda.

I mean dunking on AOC? Really dude? She’s one of the few shining beacons of truth and humanity in this shitty time lol, how can you be so blind? 😂 Bannon, Trump, etc will never, ever give a shit about you. They don’t care about democracy, or prosperity, or anything like that. They just want to push their nationalist agendas and make their way to the banks. 

[Elliott]

4 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

Idk what to say dude. If Bannon is so anti-Trump why is he literally aligned with him? 
 

If Bannon pushes back against social security cuts, it’s because he recognises how unpopular they are and how much they’ll hurt the Trump administration. He doesn’t actually care at all about old people not getting pensions, he’s just trying to gain as much power as he can to push his ethnonationalist agenda.

I mean dunking on AOC? Really dude? She’s one of the few shining beacons of truth and humanity in this shitty time lol, how can you be so blind? 😂 Bannon, Trump, etc will never, ever give a shit about you. They don’t care about democracy, or prosperity, or anything like that. They just want to push their nationalist agendas and make their way to the banks. 

You don't listen.

 

I didn't imply or say he is anti-trump, he's pro trump.

 

Trump opposes social security cuts, medicaid is not social security.

AOC is a disease, a know-nothing bullshitter.

Edited Saturday at 01:51 PM by Elliott

[Apparition of Jack]

2 minutes ago, Elliott said:

You don't listen.

 

I didn't imply or say he is anti-trump, he's pro trump.

 

Trump opposes social security cuts, medicaid is not social security.

AOC is a disease, a know nothing bullshitter.

You have strange politics 🤔 What do you believe politically?

[Elliott]

5 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

You have strange politics 🤔 What do you believe politically?

I support democrat policy, I agreed with Harris and Biden on everything.

 loose immigration, make it easier for people to come legally, be respectful to illegals although don't allow illegal entry.

Medicaid

Ukraine

Palestine

Higher taxes on corps and high income

Cut pollution

Don't tarrif our friends

Justice reform, help criminals turn lives around, improve schools and poor communities to head off crime.

[Apparition of Jack]

Just now, Elliott said:

I support democrat policy, I agreed with Harris and Biden on everything.

 loose immigration, make it easier for people to come legally, be respectful to illegals although don't allow illegal entry.

Medicaid

Ukraine

Palestine

Higher taxes on corps and high income

Cut pollution

Don't tarrif our friends

Justice reform, help criminals turn lives around, improve schools and poor communities to head off crime.

So what’s your problem with AOC then? I feel like she agrees with basically all of this (honestly I’m not even sure she supports illegal immigration, she just doesn’t support using unconstitutional actions against them when they’re here.) Where do you take issue?

[Elliott]

10 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

So what’s your problem with AOC then? I feel like she agrees with basically all of this (honestly I’m not even sure she supports illegal immigration, she just doesn’t support using unconstitutional actions against them when they’re here.) Where do you take issue?

She doesn't listen to any opposing views, she just goes off the rails and calls the person racist for wanting less immigration or calls them a piece of shit for not wanting state ran healthcare or free bachelors degrees in bird-watching. The other views ARE legitimate and not inherently racist or piece of shittish.

She's a defund the police hang every cop that hurts a black person, moron. She encourages violence and supports luigi killing the ceo.

All she does is run around screaming on every issue that anyone takes, without ANY thought.

Wanting trans women to play in men's divisions is not inherently transphobic, some of them are more man than woman like Lia Thomas.

She's a petulant child like trump or Marjorie green. Bernie is civil, AOC is a piece of shit.

[Apparition of Jack]

@Elliott AOC might be loud because there’s a lot of justified anger in the US right now. It’s weird that you say Bernie is civil why AOC is loud when the two of them are openly aligned with each other.

If feel like you’ve sunk a whole bunch of propaganda about her that just isn’t true. If you actually listen to her (and not what some talking head on the media says about her) you’d see that she’s actually incredibly nuanced, even for her loudest opinions. Of course, that doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything she says, but when it comes to thinks like corruption, Republican overreach, citizen right’s, wealth hoarding etc she’s always right on the money. 

Next time you hear her, listen to what she’s actually saying, and don’t just focus on the fact that she’s “loud” or whatever. There’s a LOT of people suffering under Trump right now (poor people, migrants (even legal ones), seniors, children etc) and her agitation is a way to highlight that suffering and stop MAGA from ruining even more lives. Again, even if you don’t fully agree with her, I urge you to reconsider your thoughts on what she says and see if you agree with anything she’s saying.

 

EDIT: Comparing her to Trump or MTG is just ridiculous, lol. Trump is loud against working Americans and vulnerable people; AOC is loud against oligarchs and state oppression. It’s like saying both Nazi Germany and the US were bad in WW2 because “both wanted to defeat their opponent” - the comparison is just nonsense.

Edited Saturday at 02:39 PM by Apparition of Jack

[Elliott]

3 minutes ago, Apparition of Jack said:

@Elliott AOC might be loud because there’s a lot of justified anger in the US right now. It’s weird that you say Bernie is civil why AOC is loud when the two of them are openly aligned with each other.

If feel like you’ve sunk a whole bunch of propaganda about her that just isn’t true. If you actually listen to her (and not what some talking head on the media says about her) you’d see that she’s actually incredibly nuanced, even for her loudest opinions. Of course, that doesn’t mean you have to agree with everything she says, but when it comes to thinks like corruption, Republican overreach, citizen right’s, wealth hoarding etc she’s always right on the money. 

Next time you hear her, listen to what she’s actually saying, and don’t just focus on the fact that she’s “loud” or whatever. There’s a LOT of people suffering under Trump right now (poor people, migrants (even legal ones), seniors, children etc) and her agitation is a way to highlight that suffering and stop MAGA from ruining even more lives. Again, even if you don’t fully agree with her, I urge you to reconsider your thoughts on what she says and see if you agree with anything she’s saying.

 

EDIT: Comparing her to Trump or MTG is just ridiculous, lol. Trump is loud against working Americans and vulnerable people; AOC is loud against oligarchs and state oppression. It’s like saying both Nazi Germany and the US were bad in WW2 because “both wanted to defeat their opponent” - the comparison is just nonsense.

I read her posts, i follow her.

 

I try to listen to people I don't like, I don't like bannon. AOC has ZERO substance, she just bandwagons with zero understanding.