Why the hate against Christianity?

[Salvijus]

2 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The problem is Christianity does not give people the tools to realize God. So they are left living a fantasy.

The guys I listed before all have the tools to reach union with God and are Christian organisations. The Leadbeater book explains the science of the rituals done in church. Those too are tools to transform conciousness. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Salvijus

[puporing]

The problem is even if Christ showed up at a random church nobody's gonna recognize him at this day and age. So that's why you have these other teachers or intermediaries who don't fully understand either.

Even your most spiritually advanced people in this world would not recognize him. 

That's just how things are right now.

You get the teacher(s) you have because that's what people are "ready for".

Edited 8 hours ago by puporing

[Grateful Dead]

3 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Really??

You seemed like a good example. But I shouldn't have made it personal, I let my ego act out there for a moment. I removed it from my post.

Edited 5 hours ago by Grateful Dead

[Nemra]

It's interesting that people who supposedly used Christianity for actual awakening (which I extremely doubt can work, as they aren't offering any actual tools to have direct experience) as a path define it as if most Christians aren't Christians at all.

You want real Christianity? Look at how people are taught (brainwashed) from a young age and not the people who convert later in life.

Edited 5 hours ago by Nemra

[Girzo]

@Nemra In my country there are actually quite a few good contemplative Christian monasteries you can go ona a retreat to. Although, they require payment upfront, Buddhist retreats, like Goenka's Vipassana are often gift-economy based, as in pay now what you can, support us long-term or help with cleaning and cooking on the next retreats. Christians are more conventional and offer a clear-cut service.

Edited 4 hours ago by Girzo

[Grateful Dead]

1 hour ago, Nemra said:

You want real Christianity? Look at how people are taught (brainwashed) from a young age and not the people who convert later in life.

Why do you think brainwashing children is a better representation of Christianity than people who discovered it on their own later in life? Seems ridiculous to be honest..

2 hours ago, Nemra said:

It's interesting that people who supposedly used Christianity for actual awakening (which I extremely doubt can work, as they aren't offering any actual tools to have direct experience) as a path define it as if most Christians aren't Christians at all.

Much has already been said in this thread. If you want to gain deeper insight, look into the book "A Course in Miracles", which is an advanced Christian teaching. It's available for free online and contains many tools for gaining direct experience.

[Nemra]

@Grateful Dead, are most Christians into "A Course in Miracles"? No.

Do you really think that most Christians are excited to understand reality even if that could make them drop Christianity? Of course not.

21 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

Why do you think brainwashing children is a better representation of Christianity than people who discovered it on their own later in life?

Because that's the norm.

Think about how Christianity would have been if there wasn't a Christian indoctrination.

Why are Christians so afraid of their children being educated about non-Christian stuff?

Why do you think Christianity is appealing to a lot of people?

Edited 2 hours ago by Nemra

[Nemra]

@Girzo, that's interesting. I guess their tool is contemplation.

 

[Grateful Dead]

14 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Grateful Dead, are most Christians into "A Course in Miracles"? No.

Do you really think that most Christians are excited to understand reality even if that could drop Christianity? Of course not.

I don't quite understand your argument. So, is Christianity bad just because it's popular with many people, but most have no interest in the truth and are unable to truly understand and live its teachings?

15 minutes ago, Nemra said:

Why do you think Christianity is appealing to a lot of people?

I think Christianity has great appeal for many because it answers deep existential questions and offers a strong spiritual, moral, and communal dimension. There's a lot more to it, but that's it for the majority, I guess.

[Leo Gura]

5 hours ago, Salvijus said:

The guys I listed before all have the tools to reach union with God and are Christian organisations. The Leadbeater book explains the science of the rituals done in church. Those too are tools to transform conciousness. 

The tools are too weak and the epistemic foundation is missing.

3 hours ago, Grateful Dead said:

You seemed like a good example. But I shouldn't have made it personal, I let my ego act out there for a moment. I removed it from my post.

Appreciated. Thanks.

[Nemra]

10 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

So, is Christianity bad just because it's popular with many people, but most have no interest in the truth and are unable to truly understand and live its teachings?

Because it's about survival clothed in spiritual language, which, by the way, is used to justify the way they survive.

10 minutes ago, Grateful Dead said:

moral, and communal dimension.

Those are the ones that are the most appealing, which are problematic.

[gettoefl]

8 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The problem is Christianity does not give people the tools to realize God. So they are left living a fantasy.

Yes. Yoga meditation psychedelics ... may not be touched or discussed in Christian gatherings. Stick with the tried and tested safe stuff like the gifts of the Spirit.

[meta_male]

1 hour ago, Grateful Dead said:

I think Christianity has great appeal for many because it answers deep existential questions and offers a strong spiritual, moral, and communal dimension. There's a lot more to it, but that's it for the majority, I guess.

It doesn’t provide any satisfying answers based on reason. Rather, it prescribes beliefs that require faith. This is especially damaging to children's critical thinking abilities. As for adults, they are pulled in because their vulnerabilities are exploited. Even if the original teaching was about enlightenment, chances are Christianity does more damage than it does to enlighten.

 

 

[Thought Art]

Christ in an interesting metaphor for the infinite embodied in man, the love and compassion Leo wrote about in his blog recently just saying