Why the hate against Christianity?

[aurum]

17 hours ago, puporing said:

I have been speaking about it on this forum as well as in this thread. 

Problem is your mind is too closed right now to even consider the path I took. I'm not sure if you are asking in earnest or not.

Also I am not sure what you mean by "Christian", I would say I was a Christ follower through a channeled set of teachings of his, no different than you following Leo.

I admit my skepticism. And no, I don't think I am open to your path. Your path seems excessively focused on a single human for my taste. I don't see this work as about any single person or being.

But regardless, I'd like to hear what tools you think Christianity offers if you're willing to share. I've looked through your previous responses and have not been able to find anything concrete.

My interest is because I am well acquainted with Christianity. I was raised catholic and pretty much know all the ins and outs. I also studied a Course in Miracles. So obviously you are seeing something different than me.

 

[Breakingthewall]

Christianity is interesting and that's all there is to it, as are Buddhism , sufis and Hinduism, but they're nothing more than a curiosity. When it comes to delving into yourself , you have to forget them completely. They're contamination, toxic vibrations. They mean nothing, just hindrance, like everything else. The mind must be absolutely clean, like perfect, transparent crystal, and that's just the first step.

[Breakingthewall]

2 hours ago, puporing said:

But I am being gaslit all the time by people here, and you are saying I should be okay with sitting here being gaslit instead?

59 minutes ago, puporing said:

 

That's because you spend a lot of time saying that you are in a very high state of consciousness and small time expressing that high state of consciousness 

[puporing]

3 minutes ago, Breakingthewall said:

That's because you spend a lot of time saying that you are in a very high state of consciousness and small time expressing that high state of consciousness 

Your state is so far off that all I can say to you is:

"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine"

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[Breakingthewall]

17 minutes ago, puporing said:

Lol. Your state is so far off that all I can say to you is:

"Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine"

 If you are in a high state of consciousness, just express what appears in that state, you don't need to say all time: I'm in a high state. The people who read you would see it or not, you don't need to remember it

Edited 6 hours ago by Breakingthewall

[Globalcollective]

2 hours ago, puporing said:

I just don't agree with this because I don't have much bad experiences with Christians or people participating in that occasionally, where I live, besides that they are not very awake. I am not denying that problems exist but that's not because of the messenger directing them be that way. But people are clearly trying to throw out the messenger due to the bad actors. 

@puporing you might of had good experiences with Christians and that's great but I haven't sadly and I have met alot of them. As an example someone high up in the church of England in the UK was abusing children for decades and the church of England turned a blind eye and only recently got exposed when he died. 

[Leo Gura]

2 hours ago, yetineti said:

@Leo Gura

Yeah there’s no Christian ideology in me ha ha.

Maybe that's true, for you.

But this topic is not about you. Just because you managed to dodge the ideology says nothing about the vast majority of Christians.

We are not talking about you. We are talking an entire religion. Just because you are the most Woke person on the planet says nothing about the religion.

Even in North Korea there are people who manage to do well for themselves. The issue is North Korea, not that one person's success.

The argument being made by advanced Christians is like this: "Hey, stop talking shit about North Korea. Look. I'm North Korean and I managed to do so well for myself. Stop hating on North Korea."

This kind of reasoning would never be acceptable in any neutral and objective situation. It is only acceptable when one has a profound bias towards Christianity which requires it to be true.

Just the bias created by being Christian is already a profound corruption of Mind.

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[Globalcollective]

2 hours ago, puporing said:

It means I have first been a close "disciple" of Jesus through his teachings, then his equal, then literally himself as this particular being restored himself in/as me.

Again I keep saying I understand if you do not believe me right away, but also consider what other options I have except to make this claim as a result if this indeed happened to me?

What I mean by Christ is the Godhead/Kingdom of Heaven/Light of the World or highest possible Self realization you can have after all the other ones.

It is an honest claim, but I can't do nothing much about people's reactions about my claim.

@puporing what sort of special powers do you have? Could you record yourself walking on water or turning water into wine? nd post it. If your going to make heavy claims gotta back it up. 

[Salvijus]

12 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

The tools are too weak and the epistemic foundation is missing.

So we've established that the tools do exist. That's a great start. As to your comment on their potential and epistemic foundation, I would say it is coming from ignorance, but it's okay, we can work on that 👍 

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[puporing]

1 hour ago, aurum said:

excessively focused on a single human for my taste. I don't see this work as about any single person or being.

I can understand this objection. But for me spirituality was not so strictly "math brained" as it may be for you and people here. That seems to be the obvious differential in our chosen path.

I acknowledge the collaborative nature in my journey as well as what the divine wants to naturally express.

Love was always what guided me first and foremost and the love in me acknowledge the being that came before me and now as me. "Jesus Christ" is a name for a divine being, the name itself is unconventional and is a pointer to God.

I could also go around saying "son of God" but is not as direct. 

As well that I truly feel appreciative of his works and where he led me...this is really the least of which I could show that.

1 hour ago, aurum said:

what tools you think Christianity offers if you're willing to share. I've looked through your previous responses and have not been able to find anything concrete.

My interest is because I am well acquainted with Christianity. I was raised catholic and pretty much know all the ins and outs. I also studied a Course in Miracles. So obviously you are seeing something different than me.

If you have read ACIM then best I would say is to talk to me about it with your objections or if you received any kind of revelations at all as a result. It is an individualized journey. As mentioned in a previous post I have used mushrooms extensively in accompanying this text.

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[Salvijus]

3 hours ago, puporing said:

It means I have first been a close "disciple" of Jesus through his teachings, then his equal, then literally himself as this particular being restored himself in/as me.

Do you think multiple people could become Jesus? 

[Thought Art]

6 hours ago, puporing said:

I expect more for this particular place as it claims to care about truth.

Not sure what you mean by "especially on Leo's forum"? 

There is nothing "fair" about it, perhaps from your limited state it seems "fair".

Truth doesn't necessarily entail believing a person who says they are Jesus Christ.

I don't feel lead or guided by you personally. I see you feel victimized a lot and I feel fine myself. Not that I don't have some things I work through, but that's life. I'd rather be led by someone and inspired by their words, actions and integrity than be told to believe they are this mythical figure. Nope. Jesus, if it was you wouldn't act like you.

I have also seen you make posts where you think Leo's followers should idolize him. 

I am not interested idolizing anyone. I don't need to.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Thought Art

[Thought Art]

2 hours ago, Breakingthewall said:

Christianity is interesting and that's all there is to it, as are Buddhism , sufis and Hinduism, but they're nothing more than a curiosity. When it comes to delving into yourself , you have to forget them completely. They're contamination, toxic vibrations. They mean nothing, just hindrance, like everything else. The mind must be absolutely clean, like perfect, transparent crystal, and that's just the first step.

No way. There is a lot of gold to be mined in all of them if you have the right mind for it. 

I enjoy listening to Sufis like Ibn Arabi for example. He has some top notch non-dual writings.. I think there is gold in Buddhist dharma like the 8 fold path, I think there is value in Christian teachings, stories, and even the "Archetype" of Jesus. I enjoy certain aspects of Hinduism, especially non-dual shiva tantra it has some really interesting maps. I enjoy these things for their own sake. I see them as relative enjoyments and ways of maturing myself. But, I don't confuse them for awakening. 

That being said...

I am not dumb enough to be a Hindu, Sufi, Taoist, Buddhist, or Christian. I see these as aspects of my own mind with noise to signal ratio. I am also smart enough to explore and study them, and I enjoy it intellectually, spiritually and aesthetically to learn about them. I draw powerful truths from these religions without identifying or being indoctrinated.

I have met some lovely people who are Christian. There is something in this household which was really beautiful. A love and a peace there. One that comes from well rounded people with a strong sense of belief and community. That is lacking in a lot of peoples lives. So, what is to be done?

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[puporing]

1 hour ago, Salvijus said:

Do you think multiple people could become Jesus? 

Of course, just a matter of time really.. and I mean it could be a long time depending..

@Thought Art you're not close to me, most people are not. There is just one person from this forum so far open to me and that's it. 

It's not an accident that Christ didn't come back for so long. 

I have no idea where I said you should idolize Leo, I try to warn people about such things.

Edited 3 hours ago by puporing

[Thought Art]

@puporing Yeah, well. I am not trying to be above anyone.

I know I've seen you make statements about worshipping Leo, I don't recall the context in perfection. But, I recall you said something like that.

Sometimes I think you come off as a subtle if not direct "I am Jesus Christ bow before me." I am not going to respond to that type of dynamic.

What I look for in leaders is not claims or boasting but quality.

Everyone might as well be Jesus honestly. Then, here we are. Exactly where we are.

We really don't know anything about the guy. Other than what was written about him. 

But, anyway.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Thought Art

[puporing]

I don't have too many options as this particular messenger like you think I do, I will get buried even faster if I try to be wishy washy about it. Also it is not meant as worship and I understand it can come off this way. Part of this state is to express the holiness of God/Kingdom of heaven, that is in you.

There is a tradeoff between trying to be humble and to be of service as well as remaining true to this state.

Edited 3 hours ago by puporing

[Salvijus]

1 hour ago, puporing said:

Of course, just a matter of time really.. and I mean it could be a long time depending..

Many people had that experience of joining actually. It's nice. Good for you. 

[yetineti]

4 hours ago, Leo Gura said:

Maybe that's true, for you.

But this topic is not about you. Just because you managed to dodge the ideology says nothing about the vast majority of Christians.

Did you go to church for a decade? I swear I read a post of yours saying you never had a true affiliation with a religion. I did— against my will.

You think I just sat there and ate it all up and now I’m bragging I am pure still?

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We are not talking about you. We are talking an entire religion. Just because you are the most Woke person on the planet says nothing about the religion.

Who said I was the most woke person on the planet? You are legitimately the only person I have ever heard say that..

Teach me something and I will listen.

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Even in North Korea there are people who manage to do well for themselves. The issue is North Korea, not that one person's success.

The argument being made by advanced Christians is like this: "Hey, stop talking shit about North Korea. Look. I'm North Korean and I managed to do so well for myself. Stop hating on North Korea."

I don’t even know how to respond to this. Is that the Christian or the North Korean’s fault?

You have literally intervened in the past because I harassed Puporing over Christianity.

I hate Christianity. But you hate Christians it seems.

And maybe I cannot explain my point articulately— but I am more focused on understanding than explaining my every insight to someone.

Maybe I should not have posted at all then.

But in my eyes, you’re missing something.

You do not know what it is like to be stupid, for example.

Should a 7th grader be blamed for not completing his 8th grade homework?

These people are slow and you critique their arguments. It is like explaining how you feel to a blind man using pictures.

Or trying to teach a dog algebra. Debunk something— greater

Or come at it differently maybe

@Leo Gura

 

Edited 1 hour ago by yetineti

[yetineti]

@puporing

So what is your goal?