Why the hate against Christianity?

[yetineti]

@puporing

I am not going to argue with you. You have now presented numerous false equivalencies.

You being gaslit in the past has nothing to do with your responsibility now.

Implying that I gaslit you because I called you out for gaslighting is obvious deflection.

When I told you to go do something— that would’ve been a good opportunity to speak up for yourself.

Instead you virtue signaled that you do not virtue signal.

 

 

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[puporing]

1 minute ago, yetineti said:

you out for gaslighting is obvious deflection.

But I am not gaslighting, I am stating where your or other people's delusions are on this forum. You are referring my corrections as "gaslighting".

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[yetineti]

@puporing

No- you told the community you expected more because someone simply told you it was a high order to claim to be JESUS2.

Get over it. That is a tall order. Children around the world would faint for JESUS2. People around the world. The elderly— would die on notice of the news.

Non-believers especially.

Nobody would believe it. And if you were Jesus— did you come back to whine?!

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[Leo Gura]

1 hour ago, yetineti said:

Faith is admitting you do not and trusting it will work out.

That's the trap.

The truth is that you don't know if it will work out. But instead of just accepting that, Christians force faith on themselves.

Faith really means: you don't know but you wanna act like it will go your way because your survival needs it to go your way.

I don't need faith that a crocodile will not eat me. I just don't know. Maybe a crocodile will eat me one day. That's the simple truth. Whereas Christians walk around telling themselves every day that they have faith that a crocodile will not eat them. This faith will be eventually broken by God because it isn't true.

It is not just that Christians have faith in God. They always conflate faith and God with their personal and social survival needs, which is a corruption.

The problem isn't merely that Christians are corrupt, it's that Christian ideology necessarily creates corruption. Their corruption is not coincidental, it is causal.

My argument is, if you want to free yourself of corruption, let go of Christian ideology.

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[puporing]

6 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@puporing

No- you told the community you expected more because someone simply told you it was a high order to claim to be JESUS2.

Get over it. That is a tall order. Children around the world would faint for JESUS2. People around the world. The elderly— would die on notice of the news.

Non-believers especially.

Nobody would believe it. And if you were Jesus— did you come back to whine?!

Well your response is the typically expected one yes, but also as I said I expected more because this place claims to care about truth.

That your objections fall into the normative responses doesn't contradict with what I'm saying.

[UnbornTao]

@puporing  What precisely do you mean by being the second coming of Christ? What is it that you're referring to as Christ? 

What does a claim like that have to do with honesty?

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[puporing]

4 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

@puporing What is precisely what you are referring to by being the second coming of Christ? 

What is it about you that is special? What do you mean by Christ? 

What does a claim like that have anything to do with honesty? 

It means I have first been a close "disciple" of Jesus through his teachings, then his equal, then literally himself as this particular being restored himself in/as me.

Again I keep saying I understand if you do not believe me right away, but also consider what other options I have except to make this claim as a result if this indeed happened to me?

What I mean by Christ is the Godhead/Kingdom of Heaven/Light of the World or highest possible Self realization you can have after all the other ones.

It is an honest claim, but I can't do nothing much about people's reactions about my claim.

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[yetineti]

@puporing

Yeah so did half this community. Next.

[Nemra]

10 minutes ago, Leo Gura said:

My argument is, if you want to free yourself of corruption, let go of Christian ideology.

@Leo Gura, they won't do that because they believe letting go of Christianity is the corruption.

If you are indoctrinated from childhood, your chances of letting go of it as an adult are too low.

[UnbornTao]

@puporing People make claims of all kinds of stuff, especially in "spiritual" circles where fantasy abounds. That doesn't make them true. 

Beyond the rhetoric and trying to convince others as much as oneself, what is sourcing that claim? 

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[puporing]

1 minute ago, UnbornTao said:

@puporing People make claims of all kinds of stuff, especially in "spiritual" circles where fantasy abounds. That doesn't make them true. 

Beyond the rhetoric and trying to convince others as much as oneself, what is sourcing that claim? 

I understand that which is why I keep saying I don't expect you to believe me right away.

There's nothing sourcing it other than my self realizations and communications with Jesus prior to this. The only way one could "verify" me is to follow the same teachings and reach a similar enough state of consciousness.

Yes I know how that sounds circular. But what choice do I really have? 

[yetineti]

@Leo Gura

Yeah there’s no Christian ideology in me ha ha.

They used to put me in special classes when I was five because I thought they were all retarded.

Some of them actually are. That’s what you’re missing. Corruption can’t be causal when it is inherent.

The space you are trying to fill with explanation is void.

Reality cannot be void, sure. But it has voids. And one is the Christian mind. The true, good hearted, no grift, Christian.

I’ll put it this way.

They are so stupid that any devilry that they commit you should feel bad for like a dog you did not let out and has peed on your carpet.

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[UnbornTao]

2 minutes ago, puporing said:

I understand that which is why I keep saying I don't expect you to believe me right away.

There's nothing sourcing it other than my self realizations and communications with Jesus prior to this. The only way one could "verify" me is to follow the same teachings and reach a similar enough state of consciousness.

Yes I know how that sounds circular. But what choice do I really have? 

What is the nature of those realizations? What are they about? 

When you say: communicate with Jesus, what is that about? What actually goes through your mind, and what occurs in your experience as you do that? What is Jesus?

When you say 'communicate', what is that? Does it take place in your internal dialogue, is it written down, or is it verbalized when alone? 

[yetineti]

@Nemra

17 minutes ago, Nemra said:

@Leo Gura, they won't do that because they believe letting go of Christianity is the corruption.

If you are indoctrinated from childhood, your chances of letting go of it as an adult are too low.

It’s deeper. They can not— and there is no reason for some 😳 and no way out.

There’s a reason why some people have such strong religious takes towards God without formal indoctrination.

God is inherent. Peoples take on him are not. People with less control hope.

Consider hope as an intelligent survival strategy for some.

This is not to say all they do is hope. Strangely, they may be good at something still. Or very caring… atypical to a rational mind or perspective.

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[puporing]

26 minutes ago, UnbornTao said:

What is the nature of those realizations? What are they about? 

When you say: communicate with Jesus, what is that about? What actually goes through your mind, and what occurs in your experience as you do that? What is Jesus?

When you say 'communicate', what is that? Does it take place in your internal dialogue, is it written down, or is it verbalized when alone? 

I appreciate your questions.

They are a series of awakenings or revelations about my true being as the same that was realized in Jesus Christ. Because I was receptive to him every step of the way (initially through mushroom trips along with ACIM), over time he passed everything there was to know about "God" or "Kingdom of Heaven" to me, iterations of a series of awakenings. 

Keep in mind that I have studied the notable teachers of our time fairly well before reaching Jesus, including Leo, Shunyamurti, Matt Kahn, to name a few, so I was already well on my way and had some awakenings already due to their teachings.

Initially as I was reading ACIM, and continued my mushrooms use, I was alerted to this particular mind, and that the material from ACIM was in fact from a "higher plane" of consciousness than my previous teachers. Perhaps you have heard about Matt Kahn talking about the "Galactic Council of Light", that was sort of my initial entry to this state. But there was more Light to be found so I kept going. Every realizations I found on my mushroom trips simply made it clearer to me that ACIM was from a higher state of consciousness. Over time and trips after trips, I was in awe of the genius that was transmitted through ACIM.

Jesus made it clear to me that he was the one that channeled this text.

And later on, I continued to have more awakenings with or without mushrooms. Eventually I just had lots of sober awakenings about Christ consciousness without much psychedelic assistance.

And at one point, I was given the "greenlight" that "I (Jesus Christ) have returned".

*Communications here to mean mind communications, or wordless communications/transfer of knowledge/knowing from another being.

Again, I appreciate very much that you seem to be asking in earnest. 

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[yetineti]

@puporing

Have you considered having those realizations alone, without Jesus?

 

[puporing]

5 minutes ago, yetineti said:

@puporing

Have you considered having those realizations alone, without Jesus?

 

But this is how it went for me, that my mind just fused with/became the same as his. Like, to say otherwise would be me lying to you.. or at best omitting a very important detail.

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[yetineti]

@puporing

At the very least, you have a responsibility to speak using dialogue that is universal, if you claim to have the insights you do.

Jesus is not a universal term. It is a controversial  term.

If you do not want to teach… you do not have to teach. But acting surprised every time you have this conversation will not get you anywhere and it makes people doubt you.

You are obviously very intelligent. You still have to prove the rest.

Leo taught me most of what I know on this stuff while I mowed lawn as a teenager. Leo was foundational for me.

I invented Leo.

See how this works?

You’re not just causing misunderstandings to people who have gone deep here, you’re communicating in ways that display your own misunderstandings and use a 2000+ year controversial religion as a sort of proxy.

Lose the proxy, gain credibility, you deserve it.

I believe Jesus was your path. Time to make it your own.

 

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[Nemra]

@yetineti, I think the lack of development of a person is one of the main reasons that religious indoctrination works or belonging to a religion seems appealing.

[puporing]

8 minutes ago, yetineti said:

I invented Leo.

See how this works?

I understand.. but it's not so "simple" in the case of Jesus Christ.

8 minutes ago, yetineti said:

Lose the proxy, gain credibility, you deserve it.

I believe Jesus was your path. Time to make it your own.

You do not have enough awareness to understand that it is absolutely my will (as a result of this state) that I acknowledge the frontrunner "Jesus", especially after all of the injustices that he and his disciples have gone through. It would be actually less Godly of me to not acknowledge him and what he had endured to help mankind reach towards God and Light.

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